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This is a bonus episode here on the Beyond Jaws podcast as we bring
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you every once in a while when we see some pretty cool people
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doing some pretty cool things, we like to have them on and talk to them. And although we may
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not be able to get them for an entire hour like we normally do
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and dive into their career just yet,
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we wanna highlight some of the things that they've been able to accomplish so
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quickly in their career and a particular project or a report. In
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this case, This is a podcast on podcasting. We're gonna be
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talking to Mark Packer from the Shark Trust, who they just
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launched a podcast. They just finished up their first series of the Shark Trust
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podcast, talking about everything that Shark Trust
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does, and it's an amazing podcast, and we wanted to have him on to be able
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to talk about why it started, why they're doing it, how they're doing
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it, how it's going, and when their next series starts. So
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we're gonna talk about that on this episode of the Beyond Us podcast. Let's
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start the show. Hey, everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of
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the Beyond Jaws podcast. This is a bonus episode, and we're going to
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be talking to Mark Packer of the Shark Trust,
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talking about their podcast, the Shark Trust podcast. And I'm here, I'm
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your co-host, Andrew Lewin, and I'm here with my co-host, Dr. David Ebert.
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Absolutely. I love, I love when these podcasts come out like
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this. And of course, you know, people, Paul Cox, Allie Hood,
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and Kat Gordon are all, you know, good friends of the show here. And,
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uh, I saw this podcast popped up. I thought we got to have, we got to have Mark
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on here to talk about, talk about podcasting. Cause it's like our
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favorite topic to talk about. And, uh, it's another, it's another
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wonderful show they have out another, another terrific podcast. And,
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uh, uh, it was, uh, it was a terrific interview and,
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uh, uh, Mark had a lot to say. And so we're hoping everybody
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will enjoy this, uh, this bonus episode, getting it, doing a bit of dive into
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Absolutely. This is going to be a lovely one. I hope that you guys are
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going to enjoy it. So here's the interview with Mark Packer from the
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Shark Trust talking about the Shark Truck podcast, Shark Trust podcast. Sorry.
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Enjoy the interview and we'll talk to you after. Hey, Mark. Welcome to the Beyond
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Jaws podcast. Are you ready to talk about sharks and podcasting?
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Right on. Well, welcome. Welcome, everyone, to a special bonus
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episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast. Today we have Mark Packer,
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who's the host of the Shark Trust podcast. It's a new podcast that was recently
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launched in May of this year, and it delves behind the scenes of shark
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and ray conservation. Mark is a marine conservation and
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a qualified nurse specializing in mental health, which those of
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us in the field could use a lot of mental health help here. But
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he has a huge passion for the natural world with a focus on the marine environment and
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sharks in particular. Mark received his MSc in marine conservation
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from the University of Plymouth in 2021. And he started with
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the Shark Trust in 2022, covering a number of different roles
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from fundraising to engagement and science communication. And
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most recently now, the new Shark Trust podcast. And
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Mark has an aim to drive positive change at the intersection of environmental and
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mental well-being, benefiting both people and the sharks. And
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So how, I have to ask you though, how did you get interested in,
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in marine conservation and sharks in particular? How'd
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Um, I think probably quite, um, similar
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to a lot of people who, who work in natural
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sciences. Um, my kind of passion came from childhood.
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So when I was a kid, um, I was watching Steve Irwin, Steve
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Baxall on TV and I kind of loved
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the natural world. I always had a sister who would like take us out in the garden, looking
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for like newts and frogs and slow worms. So I
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kind of always had it in my mind as something I was really interested in.
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Um, but then when it came to studying
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and at school, it wasn't necessarily something that was on my radar cause I was like.
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I'm probably not smart enough to do that. There's
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no, I grew up in a little village in the countryside, like there's
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no sharks or sea near me. So I was like, I'm
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not gonna be doing that. So instead I
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went into nursing. um worked in
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that for a number of years um and i did absolutely
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love it um and then i was running
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a half marathon and i saw a
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guy who was also running it he ran for the shark trust he's
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now my boss we know him
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a bit yeah so i
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kind of learned a bit more about sharks i started following the shark trust
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um Learn more and more about it and I was like they are
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so cool. Like I always liked shots when I was a kid I had
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a book that I'd read Weekly, so I was kind of obsessed. I
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just didn't really know that they were in the trouble that they are in
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it and then I Yeah. In 2021, I
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think it's just after like working as a nurse during COVID and
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I was like, I just want to do something that I enjoy and
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something that I'm really passionate about. Uh, and
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yeah, I went back to university, studied marine conservation and, uh,
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And so, and this all came from like, you were out doing a half marathon. You, you
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yeah yeah yeah and then um i went to fundraise for the shark trust a
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couple years later uh and i'm quite competitive like
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young guy i was like oh i'm gonna do really well at here and
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i still remember at mile 10 when paul and his wife overtook me
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and i was just like like no like i'm not saying
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paul's old but he's older than me i was like i
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was like trying to catch up with him trying to talk to him to
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So did you guys like did you guys hatch the plan right there? It's like I'm gonna go back to
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school and when I come out Yeah, you got a job at the shark just how
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We kind of kept in touch a little bit like we've followed him on social media I'd
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message every now and again and then I The
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shark, so the marine conservation course at the University of
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Plymouth, they have like a, like almost like
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a dragon's den bit at the end. So people from different organizations
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will come in. You have to create like a fake NGO basically,
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like with other people in your cohort and
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then people who lead actual NGOs come in like and assess it.
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So the course has kind of helped partly designed by
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people who are already in the industry so you're being taught what is
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needed. Paul came and gave a couple of talks during
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that. And the moment I saw him come in, I was like, hey,
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Paul, do you remember me? It's Mark. I want a job at the end of this. And
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then, funnily enough, so I was still
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nursing during the master's. I was still working full
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time as a nurse, just because you
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got to work to kind of- Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you got to work, yeah. But
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the course is like full-time during the week, so I was working night shifts and
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then in Paul's workshops and I've just been like, I want a job here at the end of it.
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I fell asleep in both of his. Oh no! But
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luckily, the bits where I was awake, I showed enough passion
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and dedication that he was like, yeah, I still want you on my team.
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You know joining a joining a team like the shark trust,
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you know, it's a it's a great nonprofit organization You
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know you coming out with this this masters in in
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marine conservation Did
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you just be like was there jobs available or did you kind of
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go in and be like hey I want to work with you and and you know Paul
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had the idea or you know people at the shark trust had an idea of a
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position that they were thinking about had that had it all work out and
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My kind of end goal was going to be the shark trust like that's always kind of
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where When I came onto the course, that's where I wanted to be. So I
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kind of thought If I get there in like five years ten years
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time, yeah Long-term plan i'm quite happy with that. Um,
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and when we come to the end of the course, you know You start looking at jobs because you're like, oh i'm gonna
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need a job in three six months time i'll start looking around
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yeah i was looking around all these various ones uh and
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a job actually came up as a fundraising assistant at the chart trust and
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i was like it might not be my ideal end
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goal i was like but i'm already working there i'll
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be learning stuff and then that might set me up in the future to apply
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for another job within the chart trust uh that can't be
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more suited to what i wanted in the future And that's
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basically what happened. I joined and then my job is
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slowly kind of adapted. So I still kind of have that fundraising element, which
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kind of gives me a lot of skills for the future anyway. I've kind of, I
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never realized how important fundraising and all the financial planning
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that, I mean, Paul's doing a CEO, how important that is for a
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charity and conservation work. So kind of seeing how
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that works, learning those skills, I think it's been really helpful. And
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then I've kind of gone into this more kind of outreach engagement
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and science communication added into that. I
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For sure. Well, now, and obviously, too, like when you do communication, there
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is fundraising involved. It's part of the fundraising aspect.
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I've seen a lot of jobs that come up and it's like, you know, fundraising and
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communications coordinator or managers, things like that. I mean, it's
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pretty related, especially when you look at a nonprofit organization, right?
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yeah yeah and i think when so
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i'd only known paul and i knew of ali from i'd seen
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her on twitter um at the shark trust so
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when i applied like i thought the shark trust was like 200 odd
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people i thought it was this like huge Big organization, like
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I'm always seen on Twitter. I'm always Seeing like all the things that
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I do and I thought there were loads of them and then when I joined I was like there's
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only ten of you like and then you look at everyone's job
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roles and everyone's doing so much work bits of everything like Yes, I
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mean it was amazing really but it kind of benefits me a
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bit So it means I can do a bit of everything and learn all these new skills from everyone, right?
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Yeah. And of course, Paul, he was on the show
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a while, about a year and a half or so ago, when they had the Sharks International. And
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he comes from a banking background, actually. And
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now he's running the Shark Trust. So that had
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to have been, I think that may have, do you think that may have helped at all? The fact that
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he didn't go through certainly a traditional trajectory
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from, to marine conservation, to science,
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you know, he came from a very different background. Similar to
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you, but he basically got into following his passion And when
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I Think so, I think Maybe having that like
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pool has the outlook. It's not Do you know
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everything in the world about shots? It's what are your skills? What would
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that bring to the team right and how can we kind of use it as
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a whole team? So I think kind of him understanding that
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I mean, my skills, although I've got a self-taught knowledge
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of sharks, like I don't have a background in marine biology. or
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marine sciences, but my skills in mental health nursing is,
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is how to talk to people. Um, like that was, that was
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my job for eight years. That's kind of what I
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specialize in. And he was like, well, if you want to end up in science communication, those
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are the skills we're going to use. And then he would help develop, help
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me develop that into science communication, opposed to like
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therapy and stuff like that. So yeah, I think having those
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pool, having that different background helped as well. Cause it's kind of like a, figurehead
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like kind of to look up to and you're like if he can do it so can other people
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and that's actually kind of gone through the shark trust because
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there's quite a few of us who have now got different backgrounds like whether
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it's languages or journalism and stuff like that.
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Yeah, I've said that for years, though. It really helps when you have people
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from different professional backgrounds come together, especially
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with a non-profit organization. I mean, having someone as the CEO of
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a non-profit organization that used to be in banking obviously understands money and understands
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how to run a business. And I think that's
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really important. So it'll be important when
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other people come from different backgrounds and share the same passion when
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it comes to the Shark Trust and sharks. So I think that's
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really great to see. So that's definitely an
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I think something you said too, Mark, and I know we stress a lot of times when
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we interview guests on here, particularly younger people
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listening that are getting started in that, learn skills.
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Because the more skills you have, like I have graduate students
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come into the program, like at Moss Landing, And I'm like,
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I can teach you all about sharks. Don't worry about that. I don't care if
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you don't know anything about sharks when you come in here. What I'm more focused on, and
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most people will tell you, is what skills do you have? Are
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you a diver? Can you run a boat? What kind of analytical skills
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do you have? And even things that you may not think about in
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the field that just other
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things that may not seem not
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relevant to what you're doing, but they actually could have some potential, they
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could be applicable to the field. So what
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you said about having skill, I think is really an important point.
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And people listen to this, something to hope they pick up
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on, like just whatever skills you can learn would
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be really helpful. And then they can teach about
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sharks. Speaking of which, have you picked up a
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lot about sharks since you've been there? More than, I assume you
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so much so much what i thought the shark world
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and shark conservation world was was like it was
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literally like a tip of an iceberg and then there's
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i mean i still think i'm still on the tip if i'm honest i don't
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There's a lot to learn. There's definitely a lot to learn. I was the same way. I
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was not a shark person. I love sharks, but obviously I wasn't
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specialized in sharks like a lot of the people we've had on this podcast, and of course Dave.
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learn a lot about different sharks as you go along, even just the amount of
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different sharks. I mean, talking to this guy who's like the lost shark guy and
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hearing all the different species that he discovered and knows
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them constantly, whether
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it's educational or I could just listen to fictional ones. So I'm
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like a quite a big podcast kind of lover anyway. When
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I joined the Shark Trust, I kind of had this view of
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what marine conservation or shark conservation was. And
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I thought I knew quite a lot about it, because I thought I was quite informed
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like on anything like a charity or an
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organization's releasing, like I'll read their press release, I'll then go and
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read some like backing papers and stuff they've done. I'm like, I've
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got the hang of this, like I'm very informed and then when I joined
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here and just kind of talking to
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Ali Hood who's been working here like 20 odd years,
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this huge background and she'll start explaining
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stuff to me and I'm just like, oh my god, like the
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depth and complexities of how shark conservation actually works.
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It's ridiculous. And she'll talk to me for hours, she'll
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be like drawing me diagraphs of how it works, trying to help me understand it. And
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I was like, if I thought I knew how it
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worked, and I very clearly didn't, there's probably loads
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of other people that do as well. And I was like, if we
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want people to kind of support campaigns, support us in protecting sharks,
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use of podcasts because podcasts can be a lot longer. You
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can go into a lot more depth and people, if they've had enough, they
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could click pause and stuff like that. Um, so I was like, this is kind of.
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More kind of focus for people who want to know more about shark conservation and
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then they can look at how it actually works behind the scenes and
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then how they can get more involved. Um, so kind
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of using. the Shark Trust and the work that they've done to
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kind of explain how international fisheries work,
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how you get like a
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catch limit on a shark, and then how the governments process
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that, how they agree that, what an exception ends
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up for another country, how they all work, and
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how different programs get set up, how we all work together. So
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the podcast is kind of a way to kind of go into all
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some of the different topics You've had so far in some of your episodes So
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so kind of the first series we kind of did this Kind
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of focus on the sharp trust so I kind of spoke to each person here
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about their roles maybe the program that they're focusing on how
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it works just so they can kind of give us that a that top layer
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of it and then in the later series we can go kind
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of more and more in deep detail giving kind of live updates
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of things that are happening. So like the first episode
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we're meeting with Paul Cox the CEO who was
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on here before and he kind of gives this kind of massive overview of
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the world of shark conservation, how the shark trust works, and
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kind of the threats that sharks are facing. And then
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the next episode we kind of go for like this deep dive into international
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fisheries and policy with Ali Hood, our Director of
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got the kind of brain that you want to like plug a usb into and just kind of download
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it all i just hope that you can get it because when she talks to you you
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know you're only getting like two percent of of what's in
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there or probably not even that um and
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like her episode we actually had to We had to stop it
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because the cameras were going to run out of battery. You
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don't want it to stop because she's saying so much stuff and you're just like, give me more,
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give me more. So we're going to do
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a couple more episodes and that's still just skimming the surface. so
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many amazing things she talks about in international fisheries
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and how working with companies to get different protections in
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kind of works and that's all stuff that you don't necessarily see
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from the kind of public facing side of shark conservation. And
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then in episode 3 I talked to Jack
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Rennick He's kind of our fisheries officer and that kind of goes straight into
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UK fisheries Kind of like more localized. So
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Ali's kind of more the international level and the Jets kind of comes on
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to this kind of regional Level
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with the UK and then also the EU and
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looking at the other complexities and organizations in that because I
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think Ali's focus kind of like on like
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the countries yeah and then when you go to jack's one suddenly you're looking
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at uh different organizations yep because obviously it's
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just the uk but yeah for sure you're looking at you
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know the government ones whether it's the marine management organization defra
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then you're looking at other stakeholders like anglers and it's
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just this kind of whole host and it shows that like It looks really
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complex from the start and then when you get in, you're like, oh, this is even more,
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UK fisheries internationally, right? I'm sure that it's talked about
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within the UK, but, you know, for someone living in Canada or for Dave living in
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the US, you know, you don't hear a lot being spoken about,
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about the UK fisheries. I discovered a little bit more just during, during
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my other podcast, how to protect the ocean, but. It's
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nice to hear people from within just kind of talk about it frankly
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and just be like, this is where we're at. This is the basics
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and how it's kind of divided up and here are the NGOs that work
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within it and some of the government departments. It's nice to have that
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ability to be able to talk about that and get the basics in it right
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yeah and i think i think being able to talk about it and
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then like in the future i'd love to be able to go and talk to people in
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other countries organizations that organizations in other countries
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that manage it there like we've got um partners all
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around the world that work in shark conservation i'll be like well how does it work
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there how's that different from the uk um what
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can we do to kind of work together to to
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make them all kind of Come together and kind
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of sing sing from the same hymn sheet so that we can get
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No, go ahead with that said, you know, you're looking at expanding it.
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This is a you just finished up the first series um You
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know and and I think it's it's a great first series um
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what's the plan in the future? And then I guess with this first series, as
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an organization, you're trying to say, put out this podcast, let's
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see how it does, let's see if it's a benefit. I've
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done it from an independent point of view, on my own, as
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a passion, Dave and I, we do this, we have
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certain goals that we want to be able to accomplish, but we're
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also not affiliated necessarily with any organization. And then the podcast, this
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podcast, is not affiliated necessarily with any organization. For,
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for the shark dress podcast, how is it like
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to kind of look at it. Cause there's kind of like the, you can look at it like
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from the metric side, you know, how many downloads that had, how much engagement.
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but I think Kind of our vision of the
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podcast is to to talk about how our
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work works And that's not necessarily just for the
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benefit of us. Of course, you know, we've got uh supporters
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who who donate to us every month we've got um We
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might have major donors who will come and come and talk to us to to
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help support our work And the podcast is just one kind
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of way that we can talk about what we work we can we
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can tell them what the money that they've donated and
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they've given us is supporting in kind of that that
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kind of detail opposed to us sending them a an
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email which might be 400 words or like an infographic being
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like this is what we've done this year we could be like This is
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the detailed work of what we've done this year in a digestible Way
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discussing kind of complexities so that you know what you've
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helped achieve. Yeah, and I
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Think the the beauty of podcasts is that you can use
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them for more than more than one thing Like it's not just a podcast. It's
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multi-purposed first in use episodes of
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the podcast and As presentations we can
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use it for our social media. We can use it to help with getting
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grants helping apply for other things So
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it's having this kind of multi-purposed Kind of tool almost
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the benefits not only us but everyone who wants to support us
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or learn about shark conservation And
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Yeah, no, I love that. I think that's the way to do it. You know,
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you get to know, you know, as a listener, I get to know the people who work
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within the Shark Trust, which is a lot of fun for me. But to
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hear the in detail, and sort
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of like a raw fashion too, right? Like it's not a
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BBC podcast. It's not, it's like these are two people having
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a frank conversation, like a fun conversation about the work that they do
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and I love that because you can hear the passion in
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Paul's, you know, in Paul's voice. You
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hear the passion in Ali's voice. You hear that just, I think you just had
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Rachel on and I think you mentioned, sorry, who was it? Jack.
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You know, when you hear their voice, you hear the passion in their voices of
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how they're talking about how much they know. All of a sudden, if you
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decide to gonna donate to anywhere, if you're listening to that
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podcast on a regular basis, you'd be like, well, I'm hearing what they're
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saying. Like I'm hearing what the Shark Trust does each and every episode.
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So this is kind of giving my update. I don't need an email, which I probably won't
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read anyway. And you're not gonna give as much detail in. I'm
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gonna put in the podcast. Obviously, I'm a huge advocate of this way of doing it
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for an organization. And I think this
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is the way, I just think that this is the way to go forward, you
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know, and to get more information out there about
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the work that you do, because the Shark Trust does a lot of work, just not only on
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with the, was it 10 people you said that work with, that work just
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directly for it, but then you have partners and collaborators that work as well that
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you can feature and be able to discuss that type of
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information. So I love that. Yeah, that's
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the way it should be done. That's the way it should be done. Sorry, Dave, I think
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No, no, I was just gonna say, yeah, I think these, I mean, I really got into the
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whole podcast thing. How I got into it is Andrew
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invited me on his podcast about, what was it, about seven years ago
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now or so? I'd never done a podcast. I
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came on and him and I just, we just hit it off like amazing.
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We ended up speaking longer off air than we did on air. And
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I was totally hooked after that. And then I just, He kept inviting
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me back on to where it's like, hey, why don't we actually start our own podcast?
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Is kind of how he got into doing the whole, doing our
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whole story. That's literally how it got. I never had any
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idea I'd ever done a podcast. I really didn't know much
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about him. And now I'm totally into it and I'm totally hooked on it. And
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I think, as Andrew was saying, the whole communication part of it is
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just, I think it's great. It's like now we can have a conversation to
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learn more about what you're doing about the shark trust and get
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with our show. We like to get to know the people behind doing the program.
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You know, like yourself, like, like how do you obviously you said
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you're really into the podcast realm anyway. And so it
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was a nice opportunity for you to get in and actually be able to host a host
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or show on your individual shows.
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Mark, do you have like about how long do they go? Like they sort of like whatever,
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yeah yeah so i'd say like most episodes are going to be between 30 and
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40 minutes because we do video versions as well
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and so we're limited by battery as well of cameras so
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it means ours ours are usually between 30 and 45 and
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then We, some
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colleagues of mine, so me, Louis, he does all of our content creation,
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so making our videos, doing a lot of our social media stuff. And
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then Caroline, who's our marketing manager. We went out to
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go diving, which is like a dive show in Coventry. We
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went out there and a lot of our patrons where they're giving talks and we're like We
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can we're about to start a podcast. I was like we
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can talk to them we can get get them on our podcast and
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they have like Limited time because they are giving talks
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on stage to those people and we're like if you can give us 10 minutes Come
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on, talk to us about your favorite diving experience because
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we're kind of looking at the different audiences that that
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there are in shark conservation different ones that you'd want to target and
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i'm always like i've always got paul's voice in the back of my head and
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they're like who is your target audience here yeah and then make
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sure you get it to them and i was like those little episodes are either for
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people who are really passionate about diving with sharks already
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that i've got hundreds and hundreds of dives in or
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people who have never dived before and they're contemplating it
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and i think once you have been in the water with
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a shark You're always gonna want to conserve
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them Like it's always something you're gonna want to do. Um
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so like I Kind of got into sharks and I uh, I
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couldn't actually swim. I was scared of the sea. Um Like this
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is like back in 2015 when I met paul I couldn't swim,
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terrified to go in the water in case I drown. And then I
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went in the water with sharks for the first time a couple of days ago. It's just
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on Friday. My girlfriend
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paid for her family and me to go
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on a blue shark snorkel trip. okay and it was the first time
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i've been like they've said blue sharks are inquisitive and i've said it
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in talks for the last two years yeah i did i did not
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know what that word meant like they are up
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in your face they're swimming around you and there's this
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um a code of conduct uh developed by marico um
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and cat uh who works here helps uh helped in developing it
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and Like they follow obviously this code of conduct and
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one of them is you cannot like do not touch the sharks,
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which yeah, it's obviously That's kind of I
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thought oh, that's obvious They get so close. You're like i'm
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not touching the shark, but it's touching me Yeah, yeah,
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it's amazing how close they can swim to you and not touch you Yeah,
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they yeah, it's just absolutely incredible experience and
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I was like if we can get people to talk about those,
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those experiences that they have had and that kind of passionate way that they can
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get it across. People are going to want to learn more and
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more about sharks and then hopefully they'll listen to the other episodes, start learning about
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how shark conservation works, how they can get involved. Um, so
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yeah, those bonus mini episodes are probably about 10 minutes maximum.
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Um, and we've got like Monty Halls, Miranda Kristofnikov, Simon
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Rogerson and, um, Donovan Lewis. So
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amazing, amazing people. Yeah, and then you just finished your first
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season now Uh, yeah,
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so our final episodes, uh went out today so Recording
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it on the 23rd of july. Um, yeah went out, uh, and
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that was an interview of rachel brooks who's again
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an amazing kind of background she's a studied zoology,
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went and I think learned to dive and stuff
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in Egypt, went to the Canary Islands and then she's
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ended up in Scotland. She's become this wildlife artist,
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scientific illustrator and she was doing Bats
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and Sharks with Bats and Sharks Scotland and
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she's just got this huge amazing knowledge and then she's also
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got that creative background so talking to her about about
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basking sharks it kind of comes out in this like really creative kind
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of almost poetic way. So we've just done an episode of
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her to kind of finish the season because basking
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sharks are probably the UK's most iconic species or
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most well known at least. So we were just
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like we'll end on a high of this one with Rachel and
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it's basking shark season right now so okay it's just
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Okay, good. And you said in your episodes you have episodes like
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one every other week and then you have your your mini episodes kind of
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Yeah, so we yeah, we put them out every other week. So yeah bi-weekly and
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then well if we have a bonus mini episode We'll chuck that
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in just it's like a nice little nugget of information that people can
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have in the middle And then we're gonna take a short break
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At the moment just because we've just finished series one and then
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go in series two where we're kind of looking More
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at what successful shark conservation means and then what
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the impacts that can have so everyone
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likes to talk about shark conservation in this like really positive light but i want to
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look at the positives and the negatives of
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shark conservation because if we're able to identify those yep then
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we're not going to take a step back because we can prepare for those negative
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things we're talking about like depredation where know
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people who spend the most amount of time by the sea you know they're angling
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and stuff like that if their favorite hobby is getting ruined because the
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sharks are stealing their fish and they go and talk to you
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know here it'd be like an MP those
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are the people who make the decisions. So if we're able to look at these potential
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future issues and then make steps to mitigate them,
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then shark conservation can keep going forward instead of
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Absolutely. That's great. That's cool, Mark. Mark,
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I want to thank you for coming on today to talk a little bit about your new podcast. And
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we wish you all the best. And we're definitely going to have you
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come back on here. We'll do more of
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a focused episode on you, the Mark Packer story.
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And we look forward to that. And we wish you all the best of luck on
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the Shark Trust podcast. And hope he does
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Thank you so much for being on the show Thank you so much for having me.
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Thank you Thank you very much mark for joining us on this episode
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of the beyond jaws podcast a bonus episode Really love
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the fact that we talked about podcasting Dave I think this is
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something that we would want to talk more about when with other
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podcasts and I think it's you know Jumping into it
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as I love podcasts I think it's really great that
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we're able to see more of these platforms and
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more podcasts on this platform be able to be published and
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so more people can listen to it. You know, a lot of people would think, oh,
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well, you guys already have a podcast. Don't you want anybody else to do? It's like,
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absolutely. Not everybody identifies with us. We have a very different mission
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than what the Shark Trust podcast has. And we like to support
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other podcasts as much as possible. So, Dave, you
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know, from an organizational perspective, you
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know, being able to launch a podcast like this, what
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do you think about this? Do you think this is a good idea for the
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Oh, yeah. No, to me, it seemed like a natural extension for those of us
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in the field that attended the Sharks International a year and a
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half ago. Actually, it was in Valencia, Spain. But
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the week before that, they had an online version where they
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interviewed people. And Paul Cox, the CEO, and Allie Hood had
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people. Basically, it was run like an ongoing TV show
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where they'd come on, talk about the presentations that
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people had just seen because it was online at the time. And then the following week,
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when they had the in-person conference, it was the same thing. It
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was all virtual. You could go online if you were subscribed
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to the area, attended the conference and watch
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the pod, and watch, well it wasn't a podcast, it was a video series. And
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so this seemed like the natural extension to me, that they would just go
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from there to doing a podcast. And
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they'd get in, they'd talk to the different people, different aspects, like Mark
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talked about today. I thought it was interesting, he's, you know, was
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very into podcasting himself, didn't see himself ever actually
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hosting one, and now he is, so it was kind of cool hearing that story.
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I have to say, I was kind of funny, I thought when
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he talked about how he met this to me, it was, I have to get into this
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when you have him back on here in the future about how
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he, we met literally, he was running a half marathon. He met Paul Cox
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while he was running. And, um, he commented how he was trying
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to beat Paul in the race and Paul ended up beating him, which is probably a good thing. Probably if
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he would have won, he may not be, he may not be sitting here to
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help him get a job. But, but I thought it was just a, it was one of the more interesting
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ways somebody actually connected. with someone who
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eventually became their boss and with an organization that
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he's now with, who would have thought a couple years ago what that would
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lead to. So I thought that was a fascinating story
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in itself. You never know how you end up getting in
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some of these different positions in the shark world. And I
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thought that was such an interesting story. And I think the fact
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that Paul also came from a non-science background, and
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now he runs a shark trust, probably helped him a bit. As
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he said in the, in the interview about getting on there, just, but it was,
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it was, I think the key thing was skills, all the skills that he had that really
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helped him get into the position he's in. And I think that's something we do
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emphasize with a lot of people. When we talk with Andrew, we interview
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is about, they'll almost always come back. Some something about learning skills,
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because we can teach about sharks and stuff, but if you, if you have
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the skills, that's, what's going to help get you in the door. for graduate school or
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100%. 100%. I think that's something that needs
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to increase. We need to see more of these types of podcasts and need to
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see more of this type of education get around. A lot of people know a lot
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about sharks from different episodes like Shark
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Week and Shark Fest, but we know those are catered towards a specific audience
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and there's an audience that wants to know more about conservation and
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wants to know about shark science and wants to know more about you know,
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things other than those iconic species and other sharks. And I think you'll
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get that with the Shark Trust, you know, and I think that's really important. So again,
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Mark, thank you so much. We'll put all the links to the podcast so that people
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can get access to it as well as the Shark Trust website. And Dave, if people
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Instagram, it's Lost Shark Guy, Lost Sharks on Facebook and
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Lost Shark Guy on X. And of course, I'm also on
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LinkedIn, Dave Ebert. And please go on our YouTube
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channel. of the Beyond Jaws podcast and
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subscribe and please leave comments. We'd love to hear from you and
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just see what we can do for the show. So thanks
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Absolutely. Yes. Thank you so much for joining us. And Dave, thank you. Mark,
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thank you very much for the podcast and for coming on ours to
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talk about your podcast. And we appreciate everybody for listening to
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this episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast. From Dave and I, we thank you so much. Have
