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Hey Dave, your old friend Greg here. Congratulations for reaching 100 episodes
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of Beyond Jaws. I enjoyed being part of it and I've really enjoyed
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Hey, everybody, and welcome to a special edition of
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the Beyond Jaws podcast, where we are celebrating our
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100th episode. Today's episode, we're going to be going over a
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little bit of the history of the Beyond Jaws podcast, because there's some
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things that I don't even remember what we did because we were able
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to accomplish so much. So I can't wait to
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get into the episode. And I'm here with my
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co-host, Dr. David Ebert. Dave, how's it
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Oh, it's awesome, man. I'm pretty pumped up. We got our hit 100 episodes of
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our podcast and, uh, that's a pretty good accomplishment, I
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think. So, and I believe is probably one of the most, um,
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popular shows. Cause I don't think too many shark episodes of podcasts
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have reached a hundred episodes. Um, I think we should have a lot to be happy about
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there and, uh, are the episodes grown as
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we'll talk about today. And we have a few guests on that
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were, uh, that come on and give us a little bit of a shout out here. We'll
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talk a little bit about the podcast history and kind of
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how we got this whole thing started and how you and I first kind
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of came to know each other and all that. So, um,
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I'm looking forward to it as well. This is going to be a lot of fun. I think, I think this
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is, you know, one of those episodes, you know, we talk about the 100. It's always
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a big milestone in a, in a podcast because
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I've been podcasting for almost a decade now. And when
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you reach that 100th or every time you reach a hundredth, uh,
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you're, you, you feel something a little special because with
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a lot of times with, with podcasters, it doesn't matter what
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your topic is that you're talking about. It could be sharks. It could be the ocean. It
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could be. learning how to play the ukulele. It
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doesn't matter. If you can reach 100, you've probably outperformed
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or outpublished most of the
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podcasts that are out there. Because I think there was a study done a couple of
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years ago that looked at the total number of podcasts that have been
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launched, and there were like four million or so. The
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active podcasts at that time was 400,000. It
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just goes to show that a lot of people will start a podcast, realize how
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difficult it is and how time-consuming it is, and then realize that,
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hey, you know what? Maybe this isn't for me, which is fine. That's up
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to everybody else. Sometimes when you get that
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hundredth, you know you've outworked a lot of the
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people who have been on there. And, you know, shout
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out to all the other shark podcasts who are approaching 100 or
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have hit 100, because we were trying to look it up to see if we were the
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only ones, but there are some great podcasts out there
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that, you know, deal with sharks in a very different way
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that we do. And they're fantastic. We listen to
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all of them, you know, at some point in time, it's kind of hard to
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listen to all of them because there are quite a few, but it's great to
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see them approach, you know, 50, 60, 70, 80, and
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if they get to 100, that's even better. We love our fellow
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shark podcasters out there and ocean podcasters and
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wildlife podcasters, because God knows, Dave, we need more
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people talking about the ocean to get more people aware and have
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the education. We can see it in
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some of our political leaders right now in the lack of information they have on
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science and conservation. So it's nice to be
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able to have people listen to us and just be like, hey, you know what, like
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we can teach you a little something or you can learn a little something from each and every
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one of our guests that we have on. And I think that's that's
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Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, Andrew, we kind of we started this whole idea
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of like, you know, kind of want to do something a little different in that Well,
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how, cause I certainly get this question a lot and you probably get it as well.
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Like, well, how do you get into doing marine science? How do you become like a shark researcher
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or science communicator? And so, you know,
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and like, you know, we wanted basically tell, have people tell their, tell
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their story, tell, talk about their journey and try to get
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a lot of people from, from just different stages of their careers. I
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mean, I think. Originally, we came up with this idea this whole concept
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of the the beyond jaws podcast It
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was my initial thing was let's get some of the more senior people on
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there So they could tell their story in their own words because
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you know oftentimes you go you'll somebody will pass away an older
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researcher You know and and they'll know the name and
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yet they won't they won't you know They won't know anything other
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than what the old I hate to say the shark obituary or the fish obituary
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It's been written about them versus like having them be able to
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share the story in their own words. And that's kind of morphed into
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like, well, that's great. We'll get some of the more senior people on
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there. And certainly our first, you know, half dozen
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or so episodes focused on some of the people that have
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had careers and gone through that. But then as we expanded on,
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we went to some, looked at some of the other things to talk about.
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Well, let's find some people, let's talk to people in their middle of their career, some early career
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people. Like, well, how'd you, get started. Why did you get interested in
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it? And the younger people are kind of fun because they
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can tell their story now at this point in their career, whether they're
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doing a graduate degree or they're early postgraduate, and
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then they come back in 10 or 20 years and see where they
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are now. And so I think that's kind of cool for some
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of the early career people to be able to come back at a later time and and
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see what they said, because now we have it on tape, literally, to
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see what they're doing and what their thinking was. And
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so I think that's kind of a cool niche that we found,
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I think we've dispelled a lot of the biggest myth, I think, in
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marine science in general for careers is that everything
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just falls into place. You know, you go to university, you do graduate work
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and everything is just, let's just, it's
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a straight path to your career. And we know now. you
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and I have known that for a while, that's not true. But people just don't
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believe it until you see and hear it from a
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lot of the people who've been in it for 30, 40 years and
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seeing their career meander, whether they were in shark
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biology and shark science the entire their career, or
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what a lot of people have gone back and forth between sharks Maybe
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fisheries, maybe aquaculture like you
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did, or science communication like I did. It goes
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back and forth a lot of the times and it really just comes up with
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what's the opportunity that presents yourself, what's your life
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situation at the time. It meanders. Path
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is the right path and no path is the wrong path. It's just whatever
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path that you get. And I think that's what's really
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Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, like one thing that I think is pretty consistent is
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nobody has, as you just said, a direct path and people have had
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to do a lot of interesting jobs
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along the way, uh, different things. They just, but they stayed, but
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I think the one thing is they all stayed focused where they want to ultimately get to. And
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they had a lot of setbacks, a lot of things, you know, some people came
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to, you know, some people, you know, like myself knew early on, like
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I'm going to do sharks, you know, at that time, they're five years old. Other people came
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to the, came to sharks later on. Um, and I think another thing
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that too, with our podcast is that we have, we don't just have scientists on,
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we have people from the conservation and we have science communicators. We've
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had a number of people that do filming. You know, we've had, you
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know, a number of people like Joe Romero, Chris Fallows, people
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that are both behind in front of the camera for Shark Week and
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for the Nat Geo Shark Fest and other programs to
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talk about, to just talk about how, because one thing you hear a lot of
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is like, how do you become a wildlife photographer or filmmaker? Yeah.
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So having the, so having some of these people on to talk about
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their journey, It all revolves around, they all wanted to eventually get into doing
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marine science, or not marine science, be able to capture marine
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science either on film or on audio or in
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different areas. So I think that was one of the things that we wanted to step
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outside just the pure science or just the pure conservation,
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but to get people from other backgrounds. And
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so it's been kind of really neat in that
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respect for our series we've
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Yeah, and you know it's interesting because we've experimented over
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that time too. I think we've stayed true to the overall
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goal and that's to, you know, you know,
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share the stories of different researchers, share the stories
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of different conservationists that are within the shark or conservation field,
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like in that area, shark science or shark conservation. But
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we started experimenting right from the beginning. We did our first number of
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interviews. You were technically, I guess, you were
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our official first guest. Um, but, but you
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know, technically, cause you know, we want to tell your story as well. Um,
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but you know, we, we, we kind of came in right off the bat with
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Greg Skolmo as our first, uh, as our first, you know,
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episode. Um, and since then he's done two episodes and
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I think a bonus episode as well as we were going through
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that, but like, you know, he was first on in July of 2021, right
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around shark week. which is perfect, obviously, to launch
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and put out some episodes. And obviously, you've known
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Greg for a long time. Ever, yeah. He's
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always a great guest, telling us the behind the scenes of
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some of the stuff he's done. I remember that first episode, we did talk
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about Shark Week, what it's like to be on Shark Week, some of the ins and
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outs that scientists coming up in the field should
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know more about when they approach, you know, Shark Week
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or get approached by production companies to do Shark Week
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episodes, as well as any other, you know, big TV episodes like
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Shark Fest that's developed since then. And of
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course, you've been on them too, so you can share your stories as well. But
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then, you know, we also got to talk to him on that bonus episode
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of you know, the book Chasing
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Shadows with Rhett Talbott as well that he co-wrote that with. That
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was just amazing. To have him, you know, like as you mentioned,
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our first number of episodes were sort of dictating the
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history, especially of that Jaws generation. You
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know, do you want to just talk a little bit about the Jaws generation and a little bit about
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Yeah. Like I said, the first sort of six, seven episodes we had on
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there, we started off with Greg and these were people, these were all, we
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all kind of came up together, uh, you know, myself and Greg, we
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had Lisa Natanson on, we had, uh, Sarah
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Fowler, uh, and, uh, Dominic Didier. We
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had, we had, uh, Gavin Naylor on. And so we had a number of,
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a lot of these people we had on there, they were literally, we all kind of came of age
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in the, in the eighties. And, and so like they had,
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um, you know, with Greg and Lisa, Again, we
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all knew each other going back to when we were all graduate students together. Somebody
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like Gavin Naylor, for example, who was on one of the first episodes we
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had, he actually
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was a student of Eugenie Clark's. And
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as anybody who listens to the episodes know, we typically have on some
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of the we have on the, whenever there's a
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winner for the American Laszlobrank Society, the Eugenie Clark award, we typically
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have them on the podcast. And so most recently we had Grace
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Castleberry on there, who was the most recent winner, but we've had, you know,
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we had Britt Finucci on as on an episode.
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She was back in May of 2022 on episode 25. She
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came out and talked about her having received the Eugenie
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Clark award and talk about her research. And we also
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had Britt on more recently in April
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of this year, on a bonus episode to talk
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about the recent article she had that was on the cover of Science Magazine. But
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a lot of people, the reason you have something like a Gavin Naylor on is that most
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of these people, even though they might be a recipient of the Jeanne Clark Award,
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they have no idea that Gavin Naylor, who's been a long-time member of the American Algebraic Society,
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actually was a graduate student of hers. And so you can share stories like
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that. And that's really kind of the essence of the whole reason
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that we wanted to do the podcast is to be able to have
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people on like Gavin and
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the others, and of course, Greg Skomal, who's never short
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of stories to tell and stuff and some of his adventures back
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in the day. And so they can, there's a, this is kind
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of set up a connection between, you know, the, you know, the current,
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you know, people starting out and some of the maybe
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mid-career, some of the earlier people have been around for
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a while and then, but they can be like a link, like in Gavin's, It's
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a connection to Jeanne Clark. Recently,
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Leonard Campagno passed away, and we've done a couple things
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by talking about Leonard, having been a graduate student of Leonard's, and
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talk about what it was like. And I knew Leonard for about 40 years, over
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40 years actually. And so to be able to talk about what
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it was like working with Leonard Campagno, I was like, well, sit down buddy
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and pull up, have a beer and pull up a chair and let's talk. And
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so it makes a connection. And I think it's important, you know, for
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people to know the history of the field they're into and
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what they're doing. And so, you know, a lot of the people we
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had, like I said, our first sort of group of people were all literally pioneers
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people who, you know, read their papers and watch
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their careers and know, you know, what academic institutions
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they're at or government institutions they're at. And they see the
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people and they, you know, we've probably all done it.
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where you read a number of research papers by a particular person and
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then when you first interact with them you just don't know what to do because they're celebrities in
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the field and you're just like oh my gosh like I'm so intimidated I have
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imposter syndrome and so forth. But then you know one
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of the benefits of doing the podcast was to have them on and you
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can hear their voice you can hear their personalities and a lot of the times
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you know for me you know hearing and meeting some of the people that
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we've been interviewing It's kind of cool. They've been on TV.
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in the field of shark science and conservation. And it just kind of brings
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everybody to an equal playing field, as they would think, too.
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You know what I mean? They're easy to interact with. They're
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just regular people. And you get to hear their voice. You
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get to connect with them on a deeper level. And that's what
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I've always loved about podcasts. It's raw. It doesn't have to be professionally
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done. Uh, it's, it's one of those things where you just hear the person.
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interviews unless there's a connection issue or something like that. So it's,
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you, you get, this is what you get. This is who they are
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as, as guests and as scientists and conservationists. And
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you hear the passion in their voice. A lot of times from a journal article
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or maybe an article in a, uh, you know, a society magazine
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or something like that, you don't get that passion coming through that tone. And
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so you're able to get that through the podcast, which is
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a lot of fun. And then I think that's what you and I have enjoyed over
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the last, you know, four years to be able to do to
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series of people that have been around kind of from the Jaws generation, as
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you mentioned, But then we, we, we, we went into, uh, we,
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I, I actually with, uh, uh, Pete kind and Paula Carlson have
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also been on the podcast. We did a, uh, uh, the three of
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us, uh, uh, uh, coordinated, ran a, uh, a
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symposium. It was a global symposium on wedge fish and guitar
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fish, which are probably the most critically endangered group of, of,
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uh, of sharks or rays in the world. And we did a series of,
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and we did a series of, of, of seven episodes had
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it was, but everybody was able to come on and talk a little bit about their, share
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a little bit about their story. And of course we, you know, everybody on
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there, we can have on again for a full on episode and we'll eventually, um,
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but we had, you know, we were able to have some people on there and a couple of people we had
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on there was, uh, Adriana Gonzalez Pastana who,
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uh, talked, who's from Peru and talked a bit about some of the work
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she's doing. And then of course we had, uh, Benaiah Simone, who's
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on episode 13 from the same time. She's from Indonesia. Both
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are now doing their PhDs at Charles Darwin University under Peter
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great experience in Indonesia with both of
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them on that. And they're going to be on a future episode here again. But
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it was very, for them, from Peru, from
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Indonesia, to be able to come on a podcast that has
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a global reach, I think, is really Helpful
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and I think that in and I encourage people to go back and listen to that because
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a lot of the people That were we young people we had on those Symposium
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podcasts. It was our first Podcast experience. It
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was the first time they had a chance to speak to an international audience
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you know, we have we have people who've had downloads from over a
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hundred and forty countries and we had we've had guests
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on from over 40 different countries, which I think there's probably
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not too many Sharkey podcasts that can say they have had
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guests on from 40 different countries. There are over 40 countries.
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of examples of that. could talk about
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their experiences. And again, I'm sure in the future, they'll be able to go back and listen to
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what they said at the time. But part of
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that from a science communication standpoint, Andrew, and you could comment more
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on this, but here we're running this symposium that's
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within the shark community was fairly well advertised, but
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with the podcast, this is kind of this synergetic compliment
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to it. We're able to get out to a more global audience, to people even outside
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the field that want to learn about these groups. And I don't, I'm
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not aware of anybody that's ever done that. And I think that's, what's kind of cool
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about what we do is we're been being you
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and I doing it. We come up with some innovative things to do and some try some stuff,
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some stuff works. And I think that worked really well in some stuff, maybe
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not so much, but at least we're able to try some things in that, that
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podcast we did with the symposium, I think was, was
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been a long believer and supporter of
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sharing these symposiums with sort of
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a different audience. there's a lot of information that is passed on
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through those symposiums. It's always great to hear from
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each of the contributors to this, like the presenters that we interviewed,
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and have them, you know, talk about what they've done, you
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know, in terms of contribution, what they're going to be talking about at the symposium. Because
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a make-up of a number of different people. Shark enthusiasts, I would say. And
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to be able to bring that information of a symposium that
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you wouldn't normally get access to, where it would be written up as a
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technical report that may not be of interest to shark enthusiasts or
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may not get distributed to shark enthusiasts, Now
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we have it in a way where you hear it directly from the person, like you're in the
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audience yourself, and it's not in a presentation mode, they're in a relaxed mode,
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they're talking about some of the cool things they did, and it's amazing. But
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Dave, I don't know if you remember the
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amount of work we put on to do those episodes. There
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was, I think what is it, seven episodes, and you were talking about before, 29 different
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people on each episode, or on the
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total of seven. So that averages about three to four, 20 to
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25 minute interviews we did for each of those episodes. We decided to,
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you know, put it in, condense it into seven episodes. The amount of
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work that we did for that, and we were talking to people all over like Bangladesh, South
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Africa, I think we did Sri Lanka. Yeah,
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like it was it was everywhere and I remember just different time
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zones. We were juggling and we were going on and we were trying to remember where
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these go and But it was it was so much fun
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to learn all of these different uh,
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you know, just just the different information that's coming out of of
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Yeah. No, I think I think a thing that you touch on like, you know A
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lot of these things tend to be very North American-centric or
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Western European-centric, and yet we have people on from Bangladesh,
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from Sri Lanka, from the UAE, from
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Tanzania, Mozambique, South Africa, Namibia, Angola,
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all over Latin America. We actually developed quite a good following
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in Latin America now because we feature a lot of people from
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Central and South America. Who come on the show, you
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know, we had we had, you know, Francisco concha poncho
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as we know him by I was on an episode in March of
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2023 episode 42 and if you want to catch a funny a
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real funny guy, he's a professor at the University of Val Valparaiso
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He's a great. He's a great guest. He knows everybody and
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he just shared what is you know, like a lot of the types of research going
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on in in South America and in Chile there. And
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so here's a guy that had a chance to reach out and connect with
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people. And so it's been really wonderful
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to just get these people from different countries. And we
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have to say we have a good following in South America and Central America
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just because we have a lot of people on from those episodes to
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talk about, to share their story and talk about their journey. And you find out
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Even in these countries, most of these people, no one's had a very straight trajectory
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in how they got to where they were. And of course,
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one of the things that's kind of funny is sometimes after we interview some
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people, we'll be off air talking and
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I'll find some little nugget about them and I'm like, oh man, I wish I'd
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really good to include in the episode. Oh yeah,
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for sure. Oh yeah, so it's pretty good to
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be able to get on there and talk about some of the people. Some
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of the people, we've had some young people on, like Josh Moyers, who's
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a lecturer at, I think it's Yale
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University, actually. It's Yale, yeah. Yeah, it
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was Yale. And he talked about the shark mook, which there was
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a thing that him and Willie Bemis, who's also been on the episode, podcast
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talked about it was a, it was an hour, it was an educational thing
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that they're able to communicate with people from all over the world. And,
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uh, it was a really good program. And I, I, uh, uh,
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and so being able to have someone like Josh on, who's just kind of launching his
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career. And of course, Willie is kind of at more of the, I'd
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like to say the tail end for those of us that kind of at the tail end of our kind of the
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latter part of our career, but, um, but if you kind of
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get that, have that, the golden years, exactly. uh...
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but uh... have josh come on their shares uh... thoughts and
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everything with the on the Shark Mook and where
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his career is going. He's going to be another one that's going to be great to
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have on again in the future and see where it's gone, you know,
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or see where his career is going and how it's going and, and share
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some of his stories. So again, that's some of the difference, the
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kind of the cool things that it's nice to have on some of these people. And
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again, he is another one that, you know, he doesn't, you know, he's, he'll be in North America,
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he gets a little more opportunity, but again, some of the people we have on don't
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have much opportunity and especially Especially going
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on with the English-speaking community. A number of
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the people we had on, even just this year, we
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had on Elisa Arreno from Guatemala.
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originally from Uruguay, also works as
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a professor in Brazil. I think it's one of the first sort
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of English-speaking podcasts they've
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ever been on. I know for sure it was for Cristina. And they just
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don't get invited on many of these things. And they're both very accomplished women.
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agree. And I think it takes also a lot of courage for
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people whose English is not their first language to come on an English speaking
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podcast and be able to communicate the
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way they've been able to do that and to put themselves out there. I think that
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is something that I know I never thought about before we started this
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podcast and then seeing them come on. And
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they did a great job. Every single one of them did a great job
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in coming on and telling us and it's allowed us to share their story,
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which is really nice that they shared their story with us and the
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audience because we don't get to hear from them, as you mentioned. That
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often but can I also talk a little bit about some of the groups that
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you know? It's the groups within the shark world that we've
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been able to share So for instance like Lindsay Marshall
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and and Mark Dando who have been on the podcast. They're they're illustrators
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we never really get to talk about what goes into book illustrations and
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textbook illustrations and digital illustrations and how sort
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of that market just kind of builds up, right? And we
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don't hear from people like that. And we're able to kind
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of get an idea. There are people out there who are really great artists and
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they want to know how to get into that type of career. We've
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been able to share their stories and they've been able to share them with
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people who are looking forward to starting their career in that as
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well. And even just being like, if you're new to this, if
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you're new to illustrations and you don't know anybody else who's done those
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types of illustrations, where do you go? How do you begin?
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You don't wanna just repeat the same mistakes that
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they did. They can provide you with a little bit of
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mentorship through their story or even you can reach out to them afterwards because
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we always put the connections to there as well. I think that was
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always great. And then there's also the, which I
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thought, I never thought we were gonna do this, but when we
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started to do this, it was a lot of fun, is talk about sort of
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the, Shark like productions that were
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done in the behind the scenes. So we had like Andy Casagrande on
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we had Jesse Khaleesi Who's been on the podcast we
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had Joe Romero who've been on?
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Jeff Kurt yeah yeah so like we've had and we've gotten a
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sort of an indication and a behind the scenes look at
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how you begin a career like that where does it go how do you
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even get like a little bit of that take your personality and being on
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camera camera person you know and yeah and develop that
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and I think it's really interesting just to see the different backgrounds of
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people, where they came from, where they go. You know, the
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fact that Joe Romero from Portugal originally,
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when he came to the US, learned English through Godzilla movies,
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of all things, like, you know, and got into the big monster movies
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and stuff. And I think that's one of the episodes, Dave, where after the recording, he
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was showing us his, like, collection of the different monsters he
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had in the background, which would have been really fun to be able to
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show on camera during a recording, but we were like, damn
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it, we should have just, we should have kept going. Should have rolled the camera for that, yeah. Showing the,
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yeah, I think showing the niches within the science world,
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the shark science world and conservation world is really cool
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to bring to an audience. And we're going to continue
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to do that, I think, with people who
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now, even people who have been big in social media and
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big influencers, who are
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developing their career at the same time and showing people What
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it's like to go through a PhD like Jalen Myers who's
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on episode 61 like in December of 2023 she
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was like a huge fan of the podcast and She kind
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of came on and gave her story which which is great, and we've been getting
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to know her Throughout that so I think it's it's
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a lot of fun to show sort of the different Areas of like
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growing areas like in terms of social media, you know video
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production and and doing a production like a high-end production
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Like we talked to force as well right right off the bat Those have
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been always the fun areas to get into the illustrators, right? And
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even the book writers to like you sharing your stories of book writing as
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well As as Greg Skomal and others who
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have been on to be able to say hey, look we've done this pretty cool stuff
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Yeah, we've had Dean Grubbs on to talk about the books he's done. We've had
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his co-author, Dan Abel, was on recently
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to talk about one of his books. And of course, they had a bit of a funny
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story that I met
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Dan in a bar in Catalina Island about 40 years ago
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with Lisa Natanson. So if you
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want to know more, you have to go back and listen to that particular episode. But,
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you know, we had, but you know, some of the people are like, you know, someone like, uh, we had Jesse Colosi
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on and he's like, he does the editing. I mean, everything you see on there, he
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does all, he's one of the guys who's bought kind of literally behind the scenes. Um,
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and he'd work. So he does a lot of stuff with Forrest Golan. He was another friend of the podcast and
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full course forces out there and the complete opposite where he's, he's
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basically the host and, you know, main person on the, he's
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had his own TV series and he's done, does a number of these shark week shows. And
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he's obviously on the other extreme, he's out in front there in front of the camera. Uh,
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all the time doing the stuff, but then it's Jesse who takes the stuff and does all the
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editing behind the scenes that puts it all together and the music and
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the music. Yes. That was a big, there was some insights again.
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If you're, it's a whole area. I never, well,
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I've been, cause I've done some of the shows. I got a little bit of insight, but I really haven't them
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on. I even learned a lot just hearing him talk about just how much time and
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energy goes into doing these, uh, doing
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these episodes. I mean, it takes him months and months and
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he only does like one or two a year. And I didn't really
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think about that, just how much. time and energy it takes to be able to
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do one of these episodes. And so Jesse really provide a
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lot of insight. And I, uh, yeah. Plus he was just, he was
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just a great guest. He was one of those guys. They need to put him in front of
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the camera here sometime and let him like, just turn him loose.
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I think so. Yeah. Just a shout out to forest. Next
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time you have Jesse out in the field, um, you might have to put them on camera for
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a little bit to, uh, capture some of his personality. It was pretty, it
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was really good to have him on. and to be able
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to highlight some of that stuff. And
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then, yeah, so I think it's been really, it's
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been a great opportunity and a great vehicle to
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be able to share some of this stuff with people. And again, I
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think, I know for me, doing science all the time, it's like, I love doing it, but
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getting to know some of the people, kind of their behind the scenes and what they're doing is
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really kind of- It's my favorite part. Yeah, totally. It is. It
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is absolutely, it's absolutely one of the favorite things to be able to do. And
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I think we've been able to help connect people too. They kind of come on, they listen to
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what somebody tell their story and then, you know, they feel like they get to know
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them. I think on a, almost on a personal level too. So they feel like
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they can, if you run into some of these people, if you're right, if you're a
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young person in the field, you run into a conference, go up and say hi to them. You
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know, now that you know a little bit about some of these people and
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everything, and I hope I'm kind of hoping like, you know, we have like
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every four years have like a sharks international. I'm kind of hope with our podcast now
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that we're at a hundred episodes and growing that we'll be able to start
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help people connect when they go to these, some of these international conferences, they
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can connect. A lot of these people that we've had on our podcast. And
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You can even do a couple of live episodes there at the conferences as
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well. I think that's the place to be where you get all the content that
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Yeah. And we've got to also give a real big
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shout out to Save Our Seas Foundation, which has been a
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tremendous, really helped get us off the ground initially with
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the initial sort of seed funding to get us going. And
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I just want to thank, initially it was Michael Scholl, was
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the executive director, I initially approached that, then he
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left and James Lee came in, and James has been super
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supportive of us, as well as Sandrine Griffiths,
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and Jade Schultz, and of course, Isla Hodgson, who does
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the World of Sharks podcast for Save Our Seas. It
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was very good for them to appreciate them
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for helping us get off the ground and get going, which
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has kind of led to where we are today. From initially starting
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out as just audio only, now we've got our own YouTube channel. So
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I guess to save our seats, thank you guys so much.
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You guys really helped get our whole podcast
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the, you know, it's always
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the people, not only the people who've been guests, who have helped, you know, share
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their stories, but also Save Our Seas, who's helped us start off.
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They provided us funding for the first couple of years, which was great. And
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now we're off and running, and we've been off and running for the last couple of years, and
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it's been absolutely phenomenal to be
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able to continue this journey. You know, we're going
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to continue on Dave, right? We're going to continue on with our regular episodes,
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you know, sort of helping people share their stories and learning
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from them. And hopefully we all learn from each of those stories. And
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we're going to be kicking it off the 101st episode with
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Alexandra McInturff. from the Big Fish Lab at
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Oregon State University. That was a great interview.
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Looking forward for people to hearing that in the next episode.
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And of course, like you said, we're on Apple
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Podcasts, Spotify, we're on YouTube,
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we're on all the podcast apps, audio podcast apps, as well as Spotify Video
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Now. We started to post our videos on Spotify. We're on YouTube.
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We're pretty much everywhere you can listen to a podcast or any of
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our content. And it's always great. And so always check those
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out, share those with people that you think would
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enjoy hearing about the
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different aspects of shark science and conservation, the different careers. And
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of course, we almost forgot too, we've been doing some bonus episodes of Sort
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of timely things that have come out. We did an
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episode on the report of Ocean White Tips. We
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did, like you said, your dedication and sort of
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going over and paying respects to Dr. Lennon-Campagno. And
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we've done a number of other episodes where people have
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done something. So always check out and come back, you know, once a
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week, once every two weeks, we post episodes and
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it's always a lot of fun. So before we go, Dave, do you have any last
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Yeah, I just like to say, you know, it's been, I've, you know, Andrew, it's been really, it's been
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a joy working with you. And I got to say, you're, you're the reason I'm even
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doing podcasts because I, it all started about, What
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about seven or eight years ago when I came on your podcast? Speak
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up. Yeah speak up for blue. That was literally my first podcast and
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then after that we did you know, we started
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doing it we had some real good synergy together and And
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I just I can't help it's for me. It's just kind of a fun new phase
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of my career to be able to do this you know I've been been
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in this field now for 40 years over 40 years now
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and so the podcast and be able to actually share stories we
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have people on uh from different walks of life it's just
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been amazing and uh excited I owe it all to you Andrew for
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really for kind of introducing me to this whole world and uh I'm
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I am looking forward to it as well. Hey, look, on the How to Protect
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the Ocean podcast, I'm at over 1,600 episodes. There's no reason why
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we can't do it for the Beyond Jaws podcast. And
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there'll be some iterations. There'll be some experimentation as we try and do different
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things. And we're always trying to connect with
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other shark researchers, shark scientists, shark conservationists,
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enthusiasts. people who bring in
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big productions, small productions, all that kind of stuff. It's
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always great to connect with a number of people, and
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we will connect with everybody. And so yeah, that's
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pretty much our 100th episode. Dave, it's been
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a pleasure for me to not only do the last
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100 episodes, but continue on to the next 100 plus
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episodes with you. It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it.
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It's been fun so far and I know it's going to get even better. So for
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all those of you who have been with us since the beginning or since the middle or
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even just started this journey with us, thank you so much for
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supporting us. You know, the amount of people that have been listening to
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this podcast and connecting with us has been a
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real pleasure. It's definitely been a
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highlight of my career to be able to talk about sharks. and
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meet some of the great shark scientists that we've been able to meet.
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And so it's a lot of fun. So we thank you for
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sharing this episode and others and helping us grow and
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getting more people involved in sharks so that we can get better shark
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policies, better shark education out. It's just
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one cog in the wheel, right,
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of this whole thing we call shark conservation and shark science. And
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of course, Dave, it's been like, you know, I've said it before, it's been a
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pleasure, but you are like a giant in this field.
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And, you know, I definitely don't take that for granted. And I learn
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from you each and every day that we do this podcast. And
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of course, people don't hear about our conversations after we record
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and the three plus hours at a time that we talk. you
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know, multiple times a week, and it's always
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a pleasure. So looking forward to doing more of that in
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the future. But everybody else, thank you so much for listening to
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this episode and the 100 episodes before that. We
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All right. Okay. Well, thanks, Andrew. And again, just want to thank everybody for
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making this journey possible for Andrew and I. And please
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go to our YouTube channel and subscribe. We're just shy of 500 subscriptions.
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Maybe you can help us get over 500. And catch
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up on some of the old episodes too. We have a lot of stuff
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now. We've got 100 episodes. And again, just
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thank everyone for joining us on this journey. And
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we look forward to hearing from you. And by the way, please leave any comments
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too. We're always looking forward to any comments. We appreciate it.
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And we're on all the major social media platforms, as
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well as LinkedIn. So thanks again, everybody. Andrew,
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it's been fun, and we'll see you next week. We
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start our 101st episode with Alexandra McInturff.
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Congratulations, Dave and Andrew. We are celebrating 100 episodes
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of the Beyond Jaws podcast. I cannot wait for more episodes
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to come. Hello, I am Naya from Indonesia. Again, congratulations
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for the 100th episode of the Beyond Jaws
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Hi, Dave. Hi, Andrew. This is Steve Goudreau from Florida Atlantic
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University. Just wanted to say congratulations on achieving
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100 episodes of your Beyond Jaws podcast. I'm
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delighted that there's so many different elasmobiologists that you've been
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able to talk to, and I hope you have great success in
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your next 100 episodes. All right. Thanks so much, guys, and
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Hi Dave, hi Andrew. I'm calling in to you from Fiordland
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National Park at the end of the world in southern New Zealand.
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We're out fishing for seven gill sharks which I know hold a
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special place in Dave's heart. I just wanted to say congratulations on
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Hey Dave and Andrew, this is Josh Moyer. I just wanted
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to say congratulations on 100 episodes of
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the Beyond Jaws podcast. It's one of my favorite ways to start
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the morning. I put it on when I'm driving to work in the car, and
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it's wonderful to listen to the stories, the adventures, and the
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science of both preeminent established shark
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biologists and some of the best up-and-comers that the field has to
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offer. So I, and all of your listeners, owe
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you a debt for putting that right there on our stereos, in
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our smartphones, and on our computers, where we can
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learn about not just sharks, but the discipline of
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shark biology. So for that, I just wanted to say Thank
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you, congratulations, and I look forward to the next 100 episodes.
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Hello, Andrew and Dave. I just want to send you all my greetings and
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congratulations for these 100 chapters in your podcast. I
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felt great and honored to be part of it, of one of the chapters, and
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Hi, hello, Dave and Andrew. Congratulations, 100 episodes
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of Beyond Jaws podcast. It's Lindsay Marshall here
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from Stick Figure Fish Illustration. It's no
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surprise to me that you guys have come this far. You're
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both fascinating to talk to, great people. There's
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no shortage of awesome, interesting, inspiring people
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in the Shark and Ray world. It was a privilege
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to be on one of your episodes and I very much enjoyed listening to
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all the rest of them. And also I
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think, you know, Dave won't stop talking so I'm sure you'll be doing it
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for us. Another 100. Congratulations. Well
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Hi, Andrew. Hi, Dave. This is Jalen Myers coming to
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you from Townsville, Australia. I just wanted
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to personally congratulate you on reaching 100 episodes
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of Beyond Jaws. It is an incredible achievement. In
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those 100 episodes, you've brought on so many amazing voices
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from the shark science field. and I speak for
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myself and I'm sure everyone else who listens. This has
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really helped us understand the amazing complexity
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of shark science that's happening right now and the champions
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who are making that happen. It has greatly helped with networking
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and just gaining some perspective on future career paths. Without
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Beyond Jaws, I wouldn't have such direction with
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where I'm going today. And it's been such a pleasure listening
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Hey, Dave and Andrew, congratulations on your 100th
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episode. to me that not only
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speaks volumes about your dedication to the field of study, but
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science communicating in general. Like, uh, I think everybody needs
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a good science communicator in their lives. Um,
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I've certainly been on the receiving end of that. Um, no,
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having both of you, but when Dave and I, um, first
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worked together back in 2020 on Land of the Lost Sharks
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for Shark Week, um, that, time
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sparked an obsession. I went home from that shoot and bought
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four copies of your book and I
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have taken that obsession into absolutely every animal show and
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wildlife show I've done since then, including like eight or nine shark
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weeks since then. And it
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has been just wonderful knowing you guys. I
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think that there is a wonderful future ahead for
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Beyond Jaws podcast. I can't wait to see what the next 100, 200, 300 episodes
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brings. And just
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too many more. Nothing but the best for you guys. I
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am so thankful to have both of you in my life and to
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have become the shark obsessed. All
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Hey, Dave and Andrew, Alex McInturff here. Congratulations
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on your 100th episode. And in honor of that, I
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actually just wanted to share my favorite story about Beyond Jaws. So
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you all asked to interview me in the middle of a training cycle I was in
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for my next running race. And in order to kill two birds with
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one stone, I decided to listen to a few of your
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episodes during a training run that same day you were supposed to interview me
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so I could sort of prepare for the questions you might ask. And
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as I'm sure most people know, running, particularly for me, can be painful at
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times. But as I was listening, I found myself smiling
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and laughing like an idiot by myself while I was on my run.
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And I think it put me in exactly the right headspace for our interview. And
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as a result, I had such a blast chatting with you guys. So what
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I've learned from that is that folks should really just listen to Beyond Jaws on
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more runs. Congratulations again, and I look forward to
