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Welcome back to another episode of the Beyond Jaws podcast. On today's episode,
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we have Johnny Harrington from Project 1Z Media, who's gonna
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tell us what it's like to be a cinematographer for a shark
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program. This is something that's always been a part
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of our podcast, as we talk about all the different ways that people can interact with
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sharks and document sharks. Obviously, cinematography has come a
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long way since the last 30 years or 40 years, shark
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documentaries have been viewed. And so Johnny comes in with a very
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interesting perspective of how he started his business, how he got into cinematography, how
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he hooked up with Forrest Galante, one of our, one of the friends of the program, and
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he tells us all about it on today's show. So let's get
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into the show with Johnny Harrington. Let's start the
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show. Hey everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the Beyond
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Jaws podcast. I'm your co-host Andrew Luan, here with my other co-host, Dr. David
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Oh, absolutely. I'm really looking forward to having Johnny on
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the show today. And he's another one of these cinematographers we've
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had on in the past. We've had Chris Fallows, Joe Romero,
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Andy Casagrande. And I think it brings a whole new perspective to
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the shark world. These are the guys that are doing the filming and everything. And
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Johnny's another one of these young guys who does a lot of the Shark Week
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shows, works with Forrest Galani extensively. But he does some
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other stuff as well. And it's one of those
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questions we know. people wanted like how can I be a be a
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nature photographer do film documentaries and
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Hopefully Johnny can shed a little light into that on his whole journey to where
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Absolutely He's got quite the journey. So here is the interview with John Harrington
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enjoy and we'll talk to you after hey, Johnny Welcome to
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the beyond jaws podcast. Are you ready to talk about filming sharks?
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Welcome to the Beyond Jaws podcast. We have a really special guest
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this week in honor of Shark Week. You have the fabulous cinematographer and
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producer John Harrington, who you may have seen on Discovery Channel,
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the Shark Week, where he's done a number of episodes, at least six or so. including
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where he's worked as underwater director of photography. He's also involved in
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this year's Alien Sharks Ghosts of Japan. He's also
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done programs for Animal Planet's Extinct or Alive and
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Mysterious Creatures with Forrest Galani. He's also done other programs
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for the History Channel, among others. In 2015, he
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founded the Project 1Z Media, a company that does cinematography
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for network TV and branded content for some of the
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world's largest outdoor companies. He frequently works with
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friends of the Beyond Jaws podcast. Forrest Galani has been on the program.
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And Jesse Colazzi was recently on our podcast as
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well. Johnny went to the University of Rhode Island where
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he did a bachelor's of fine arts degree. And
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Well, I always start off with like, how
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did you get interested in cinematography and filming and the
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Yeah, it's a loaded question. I mean, I
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kind of started out in photography, to be honest. And I
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grew up in Newport, Rhode Island, which is a very seasonal place
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in New England, where you have short summers that
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go by very quickly. And you try to make the most of those summers.
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And I just remember my earlier days snorkeling
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on the beaches. surfing and
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spearfishing and mostly fishing. Um, that's
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where I kind of passed my time, whether with my friends or by myself.
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And, um, I just remember my mom gave me a waterproof
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disposable camera when I was probably 12 years old. Um,
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and I remember going, you know, to gooseberry beach in Newport and
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taking some photos. And I mean, I haven't seen them since
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then, but I'm sure they weren't great, but I just remember the fascination of
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like, The spearfishing hadn't happened then, but
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seeing little creatures and seaweed and things and
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the movement of the water kind of inspired me
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and instilled something within me to want to keep at
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that and share that with people, even if it was my
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mom and my brother at the time. But
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yeah, after that it was, I remember
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going to family events and my uncle, one of
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my uncles who lives in California now, he
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would always like take terrible family photos of everyone, super close
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ups and all, my aunts and my mom would get so mad at him because it
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was just the terrible angles, but he was like, actually a great photographer,
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but it was just fun and he'd burn a CD drive
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and he'd send it to the family and we'd all watch it. And just
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the memories that that provided with us as a family was
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like another step towards like, oh, this is really cool,
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you know. And I ended up doing sports photography
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for my senior project in high school. I was playing basketball in
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Newport, and I had a wrist injury, so I couldn't play for
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half the season. And during our senior
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projects, I took up sports photography with a local
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photographer and I photographed one of our games when
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I couldn't play and shared it with all the teammates and
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my friends and got photos of my friends in the stands. From
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there it just kind of just kept going and videography and
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filming wasn't a part of that for another five years, but
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it just slowly through college with photography classes just
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kept becoming a part of my lifestyle along with
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my love for the ocean and fishing and spearfishing. Being
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in as as much of a wild environment that you can get in new england,
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which is You know, not that crazy comparative to
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where I live now in san diego, but you know, that's what we had at
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that time Did you ever um, I
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know No, you said you had you um, you
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know, they uh, uh, no fisheries officer In
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I I haven't no I The closest I got after
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graduating and moving to California and like starting to get
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into cinematography and documentary work and all this,
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I reached out to Green Fins, which is actually located on the University of
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Rhode Island campus where they're, I think they're one
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of the first research facilities in the world
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to successfully breed captive yellowfin tuna.
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And it was a new program, or I think a few years old, but I
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think that was the extent of reaching out to the New
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England fisheries or scientific community
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to try to, hey, you guys need any commercial work? I'll come.
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I just want to see it. I want to help document what you guys are doing, because
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this is where I grew up, and this is really cool. This is what I'm doing out here. But still
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You did a lot of different projects throughout high
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school, it sounds like, doing your senior project on sports. What
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was motivating you? Starting off in nature, doing a lot
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of different things, what did you find got you better
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as a photographer? Was it the underwater photos
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or was it photos of your spear fishing or was it photos of doing
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projects in class, doing
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different – I'm assuming sports is different types of
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speeds of people running and dodging. all
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that kind of stuff, probably track and football and God
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knows what, you know, in high school sports compared to
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like underwater, which is a completely different medium. What
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Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, there are a lot of similarities with
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sports photography and wildlife in that there's a lot of fast
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moving objects. There's a lot of variables in the situations that
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you're trying to capture. And, um, obviously I
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had a, a great mentor and that local photographer, um,
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who photographed, you know, us from, you know, high school baseball
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to, you know, whatever. Um, and it
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was a lot of that mentorship that gave me kind
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of the, the guidelines as to
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how to take a good photo in certain situations but then it was a
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lot of like go out and do it yourself and screw up
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a bunch of times and take it all back to the computer, upload
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it. It was a lot different than it was now. I mean it was nothing compared
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to what it was 40, 50 years ago on film but still it
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was a lot of trial and error and I remember Whether
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it was fishing or photography, late nights while I was
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in high school, kind of restless, didn't have anything
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to do and I would just go out to the water and photograph
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striped bass, you know, blitzing on the beaches. coming
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back and be like, these are all awful. This is what I have to do tomorrow to make this better. And
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you know, time lapses of the stars and all that kind of stuff.
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So it's just, it was a matter of trial and error and failure
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to figure out what you're doing wrong and in order to find
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Yeah, true, true. When you started out, were you pretty much started
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using digital photography or were they still doing film?
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I started out with digital. I
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kind of messed around with film a little bit in more controlled
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situations. I went to a few camps in the summer where I was taught, you
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know, film development and went into dark rooms and
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stuff like that. But it was mostly digital. My dad had
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an old digital, an old Rebel SLR, you know, the
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SLR camera that I used to shoot on and, you
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At what point did you say, I'm going to go and
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study this as like a fine arts in college, like
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thinking that this could be a
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way to not only get a degree, but also potentially have
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a career out of photography? Or
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I'm not a, I wasn't a man of many plans or a boy of plans back
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then. I remember going to college and just being totally overwhelmed, you
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know, of like, what do I want to do? I love the ocean. I actually
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started out in marine biology and, you know, truthfully I
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was like, not mentally or like, I
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wasn't prepared for college in my own ways. So
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I didn't do very well, but I liked that field a
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lot. So I, Also, I have a number of
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artistic people in my family. My uncle used to work on studio
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set designs for Hollywood motion pictures like King
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Kong and Independence Day. He
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used to make all those sets out of foam. So whenever I'd go to his
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house in California when I was a kid, I'd see the big movie posters
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up in his house and be like, this is awesome. And I remember when I told him
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I wanted to go to school or switch over to fine art, he's like, there's
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no money in fine art. Don't do it. It's
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tough. I'm like, I'm gonna try it. So,
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yeah, it was a lot of fine art. I actually started out in
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sculptural work. I was doing welding and ceramics and
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doing a lot of three-dimensional pieces while
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also doing some photography classes with a
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couple of great professors there at URI and got a
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lot of great advice. And after college,
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I had always gone back to California to visit family
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and see my cousins. I've got, you know, four or five aunts
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and uncles out here and had a great, you know, relationship to
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California because I was actually born in Newport Beach, California
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and moved to Rhode Island when I was a baby. So
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we frequently visit our family out here. I
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just remember it was the summer after finishing college and
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I was bartending and we were at my buddy's house one night
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and I was like, I'm going to move to California. I brought
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it up and I just decided, I'm going to move
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out there and try it out, see what happens. He's like, I'll go. I'll
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go with you. I was like, alright. Then two other of my friends
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ended up coming as well. We did a
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month-long road trip from Rhode Island to San Diego. It
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was life-changing in that you get to experience
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so many different cultures within our own country that as
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a kid from New England, only visiting California and
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Philadelphia for vacations, you don't really experience. the
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Midwest, the Pacific Northwest, the beautiful, you
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know, 101. And I just remember taking photos and
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posting them on Instagram before Instagram was a thing and
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just sharing those moments with people and like, yeah, all right, this is a
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good start. You know, this is I kind of know what I'm doing, but not
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So is that is that the route you took? Like you went sort of north
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and then to the West Coast, like across like the Midwest,
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staying sort of north, so probably hitting like Pennsylvania. Was
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it like maybe a little bit in New York, Ohio, and then further
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along the Midwest, like the Dakotas and things like that, and then went to
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like Washington and then went down? Is that it? Like basically turn a hard
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Yeah, pretty much. It was a crazy trip. I
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had my mom's old Ford Explorer that she gave
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to me that definitely wasn't going to make it. And my buddy ran
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a shop in Rhode Island. where I bought a
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2001 Buick LeSabre. So,
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not a great cross country trip when you're moving your life across country.
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And I remember we put a, I went to U-Haul, I put a hitch on the back, we had a
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cooler with, you know, all sorts of stuff, weighted down,
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and we went from Rhode Island up to Niagara Falls,
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and then we went down through Chicago. And as soon as I got to
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Chicago, the transmission just crapped the bed. going
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up the bridge I remember pulling over and we were in like south side Chicago it
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was like worst place
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to break down with surfboards on the top like what are these
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kids doing here and I ended up like I had some money saved
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over from bartending and a bunch of cash saved up to make
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the move and do the plan as it needed to
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be. And I bought a brand new Toyota Tacoma
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in two days. And my mom was like, don't buy a new car, buy
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a used car. I was like, I'm buying a new truck and spent all my money
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on that before I even got to California. And then the trip continued on
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Because it's not as if you're moving to the cheapest place in the world either. California
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I could imagine. Did you go to Southern California? Was your
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first place we saw on the map when we were checking out apartments was
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Oceanside. And that was the most affordable in anything
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near the ocean. So that's where we landed, and I
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was there for three, four years, three years. And
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then I slowly moved down to, I'm in Ocean Beach right now, so
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if you hear airplanes flying over in the audio, that's, I'm
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So when you got out there, did you have any real plans like what
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I was going to try to pursue my dreams of taking photos of
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wildlife and the outdoor industry. I
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really didn't have any plans. I think that was the scariest
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thing I've ever done in my life, was leaving everything I had
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back home and my mom and my brother and my friends, everything I
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knew growing up. I feel like that's what
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a lot of people are afraid to do, is just get up and go get
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after it and go chase your dreams, whatever it may be.
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Not having a plan probably not the best idea. But as I said, I wasn't a
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kid of plans back then just kind of Had
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goals and yeah, it was it was tough for You
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know two or three years when I moved out here because it's such the
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industry out here is you know as it is Yeah, well,
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yeah, and I guess what was your thought about what part of
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when you first went out? Did you have an idea? Were you looking
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at cinematography at that point? Because you were mostly
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Yeah. I was slowly starting to do both. Before
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I moved from Rhode Island, my buddies and I
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had made a bunch of home videos for school. I
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forgot to mention that. But we had fun home videos for class
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credits in high school. And we would just do it for fun in the summer. But
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it was mostly photography. Essentially, I
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just wanted to live my lifestyle and continue to fish and meet people
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in the industry. Hey, I can shoot photos. They're not great right now,
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but I just want to make friends. I
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ended up reaching out to a bunch of online forums before
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Instagram was a big thing and you can make those connections really easily like
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you can now. And meeting a few people, my
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buddy Kyle Faust who used to work for Aqualung and
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Omer spearfishing products like connected me with forest for
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the first time after a few years being out here. Forrest
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was just an ambassador for a couple of wetsuit companies and
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spearfishing companies. He had done Naked and Afraid, so
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he had some on-screen time, but for
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a few years, I was his right-hand man and
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going to do these really low-budget, fun projects in
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Baja and around California, and learning
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my trade and just getting into meeting people in
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It looked like you started your business, your
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project, 1Z Media, you started that pretty early on after you got your
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degree. Did you start that before you came to California or was it
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Pretty much as soon as I got to Cali. I started Onesie
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Media because I had somewhat of a photo
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reel and somewhat of a video reel and I was just trying to solidify
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somewhat of a business and showcase my work online.
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It didn't really become an actual business that made money for years, but
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that's when it started. It was relatively soon after
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So you kind of got early on when force was kind of starting out and
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you were just sort of starting out, you guys kind of met there
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and you started to work on some different projects together and everything.
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And did that kind of like word, how things go from there
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as far as working together and some of the stuff, like when you
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guys started, both of you guys were just kind of starting out, I guess the same time. And
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so you're trying to like figure out like, okay, we got a really good idea. Like what
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Pretty much, yeah. Forrest wasn't necessarily
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selling and pitching shows at that point. He was
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an ambassador or a talent for these different companies. I
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remember I would get a free wetsuit and a
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hundred bucks a day to show up on these shoots. not
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paying the rent in San Diego but you know the experience it
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you know it was um you know our first trip we drove all
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the way from um I drove actually I drove up
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to Meat Forest for the first time in Santa Barbara when Extinct
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or Alive season one came out He
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had a premiere event, so I drove four hours out of the way to
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meet him in person just to show face and show that I
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was interested and really dedicated to working with
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him. We had a good time. I came with the East
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Coast energy and made him laugh a few times. Then
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we drove from there, like, I don't remember, 20 hours to
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Sonora, Mexico, where we were doing a commercial shoot for
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Hex Wetsuits, which is no longer in business, but
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we were doing spearfishing and all that kind of stuff. So
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I sat in the back of a loaded up SUV with six
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other guys for 20 hours in the back seat, because I was the
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Yeah, how did so how did you obviously you weren't making the paying the
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rent and stuff with that? What kind of do you do any other kind of interesting? I'll
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say interesting. What kind of jobs did you do to kind of like pay the rent while
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A few weddings. I had to
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figure out little real estate gigs here and
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there. Nothing that I was passionate about, but just things to pay
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the bills and really just dipping into the savings I
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had saved up when I moved to California for a while. Man,
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it was stressful. I guess that's a part of
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Especially with the type of work you're doing, you're traveling a
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lot, like going 20 hours down to Mexico. So
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it's not as if you're around to hold a full-time job
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or even a part-time job. So you kind of stuck with the,
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let's get these small projects where I can do quick
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videos and shoots and things like that, like the real estate.
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and things like that, and to be able to do that. So that's
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Yeah, it was. Yeah, it sure was. I mean, it was like
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sometimes going out on my own and, you know, just walking up
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to cafes and trying to ask people if they wanted commercial work
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for their business and, you know, other companies just
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going and sometimes buying their products and giving
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it to friends and shooting them using it and then tagging them on
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Instagram, which was a lot harder to do back then to where most
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of the industry and branded content now is, um, they
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get a lot of their content from ambassadors, so they're not paying for content.
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No, they're not. But back then it ended up working out to where
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I was like, alright, here's another 500 bucks here, here's another 1,000 bucks there,
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that'll hold me over in a house full of four people where
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that'll work. Yeah, for sure.
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Did you ever talk to your uncle out there who did set
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designs as you were going along in this and share some of
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your stories? Did he
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Yeah, I kind of forgot that I actually worked for him
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during that period where I wasn't getting a lot of work. I totally forgot about that. He
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lives in Fallbrook, so I would drive from Oceanside to Fallbrook and help
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him do construction work. So yeah, I did have another job
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because I had tried to apply for... I didn't try to apply, but I thought about
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applying to bartending gigs or anything. like
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you said, I was never around. If an opportunity arose, I'd have to
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leave on a dime. So worked for him for a while and he
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had, we went to the Tucson Fair. He not only
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did the movie stuff, but he would set up set designs for different fairs that would
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go around California. So the Del Mar Fairgrounds, we
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had a cool exhibit there and got to learn about, you know,
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work ethic and attention to detail in
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that kind of world to where it kind of applied to what I was doing in
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terms of like pre-production, production, and then like while
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you're there setting it up and making sure everything works. So it kind of was applicable
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When you kind of got on with Forrest because you
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kind of like started doing work with him like when he was doing
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the Extinct or Alive series, that kind of like helped up your
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game as far as not having to work a lot of side jobs at that point.
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Yeah, for sure. So he went through season
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one. I had known him for a while. They had their own production
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crew. They had their shooters. They had everyone. I was definitely in no place
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to be involved in that at this point in my career until season
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two got picked up. And he went out and stuck his neck
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out and was like, hey, I got a kid, a super hungry kid
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who is a great shooter, in my opinion. And
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I think he'd be a good assistant on these projects. I interviewed with
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the producer and had a good conversation and I got
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signed on to Face
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the Beast, which was a two-part series before
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Extinct or Alive season 2 came on. So my first
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ever project was with them. My first real network TV
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project was with them in Myanmar looking
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for saltwater crocodiles, which to this day was still
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the craziest, craziest experience, I think, of
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anyone that I've worked with with him of our lives because
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I see how you expand upon that when you talk saltwater crocodiles
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and going to Myanmar. I have no one familiar
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Yeah, so essentially the story revolved around World
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War II when I guess the
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British soldiers versus the Japanese soldiers were in Myanmar
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and they surrounded the Japanese soldiers in the
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in the swamp lands there, and they pushed them back and, you
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know, essentially it was the largest massacre
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by crocodiles on humans in history. So it was a story about
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going to investigate whether some of those crocodiles are still
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alive, get genetics from them, and see
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if they would have been alive 100 years ago or during World War II.
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So, you know, we went in and We
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were staying in these huts in the middle of nowhere with generator power,
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four reds trying to download footage every night, waiting,
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staying up until 4am because the generator would die and
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all of our footage would have to start over again and re-download. 100 degrees
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at night, we had bats sleeping in our rooms. you
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know venomous snakes everywhere you looked in the jungle around a
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place we were eating pretty sure we were fed rat a number
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of times for breakfast you know it's just like and
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then we'd have to wake up after two hours of sleep and go film at
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6 a.m. 7 a.m. and 120 degree heat all day
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sounds like a lot of fun Do I actually want to do this
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Like, what is this? Part of why I was kind of hoping you'd bring up some of this stuff, because I'm
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sure you experience this, but I know when I've done these shows, it's like people, they
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just see what's on TV and they think like, oh, that's kind of cool. They don't think about
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like the 100 degree heat, the eating
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cockroaches or rats. Not
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to mention the hanging out with the, you know, trying to film crocodiles. during
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the day and these conditions. I mean, people to
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me, it's like there's a whole series of TV series just like this behind
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the scenes in a lot of these shows. Yeah. Just the stuff that goes
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on. I think people just don't and just don't realize like
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the stuff I said, the power, you have generators trying to download everything. So
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you got everything backed up. You don't have to go out and hopefully reshoot it
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again. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of a
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that was kind of a anyway. Interesting. That's an interesting story.
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Yeah. It's intense. I mean, that was by far the most intense experience
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that we had. And just from pure exhaustion standpoint. Yeah.
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You know, we were. every shoot's like that in a sense where you're
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right, it's people see the shows and they, you know, they're like, oh,
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this looks somewhat like so much fun, which it is. I mean, we're living, living
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the dream, you know, finally with all the work you put
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into getting there. But it is exhausting. Yeah,
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Yeah. So you did that and they went on, you did the
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Extinct or Alive the second season there and that kind of Did
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that kind of help jumpstart other projects for you at
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that time? Beyond, I mean, we'll get
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to the Shark Week in a moment, but you got that, did it help jumpstart your career,
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programs like that? Totally, yeah. I mean,
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we had the luxury and the privilege through the kind
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of the OK from Forrest Production Company to be able to take
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footage that we shot on the projects and use it to promote ourselves, which
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is a wonderful thing to have and very rare in our industry where they're
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like, all right, yeah, you can put this on your website. Obviously, it's not your production, but
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you can promote your work. And once people see that you've
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you know, successfully made it back from Myanmar alive and made a TV show
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and, you know, all of those things and,
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you know, getting to meet people on the side who have seen your
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work through either his channel or on the network's social media
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platforms and you're tied to it in a sense. It definitely led
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to other opportunities and meeting people that are doing completely
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separate things in the outdoor space that can
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kind of understand that, you know, not only
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are you pretty good at what you do, but you can hang,
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you know, you can go into situations and keep your
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cool and get the job done, which I think is the biggest thing. And,
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you know, I've talked to so many young people. It's like, you
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can't just be solid at what you do in
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your career, but you have to keep a level head and be
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easy to work with and get through things together because when
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you're in those situations in the field on the other
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side of the world and There's no connection to anything other
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than a sat phone. You're essentially at
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war with your crew together. You've got to watch each other's back, make
462
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sure safety's good, and people appreciate that,
463
00:30:32,853 --> 00:30:35,975
Yeah. A lot of the stuff you do is
464
00:30:36,035 --> 00:30:39,277
diving, obviously underwater filming. What
465
00:30:39,317 --> 00:30:42,589
kind of background? did you
466
00:30:42,629 --> 00:30:45,832
do to prepare yourself for doing underwater underwater filming? Is
467
00:30:45,852 --> 00:30:49,074
there any anything you did to help develop your skills there?
468
00:30:51,060 --> 00:30:54,841
Yeah, I think it was growing up spearfishing in the murky,
469
00:30:54,961 --> 00:30:58,482
green, nasty waters of New England and, you
470
00:30:58,502 --> 00:31:01,803
know, slowly starting to work, you know, in the industry out
471
00:31:01,823 --> 00:31:05,924
in California and being comfortable in the water and understanding photography
472
00:31:05,984 --> 00:31:09,365
or cinematography. They both go hand in hand.
473
00:31:09,425 --> 00:31:12,946
You know, I know a lot of people who are very, very talented shooting
474
00:31:12,986 --> 00:31:16,347
underwater. And I know people that are very talented,
475
00:31:16,387 --> 00:31:20,730
but also can handle wildlife and handle
476
00:31:20,790 --> 00:31:24,473
big sharks and anacondas and things. I
477
00:31:24,513 --> 00:31:28,096
think the comfortability of being in the water and understanding
478
00:31:29,177 --> 00:31:33,420
your smallness in that space has allowed me to not
479
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,623
think about that as much while you're always keeping that
480
00:31:36,643 --> 00:31:39,966
in the back of your head that you're in a wild environment, but that allows you
481
00:31:40,006 --> 00:31:43,266
to focus on your craft, which is equally as
482
00:31:43,346 --> 00:31:46,931
important for a successful image. So I think,
483
00:31:47,452 --> 00:31:50,816
you know, free diving was a big one for me, spearfishing growing
484
00:31:50,896 --> 00:31:55,523
up, but coming out to California, I got my free diving certification
485
00:31:55,603 --> 00:31:59,448
here. You know, you have to dive to 66 feet, you go through all the safety courses.
486
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,829
And following a couple of the projects I've worked on
487
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:09,353
in the past when I was coming up with Forrest was with Hawaiian
488
00:32:09,373 --> 00:32:13,075
divers who were sent to San Diego or to Baja to
489
00:32:13,095 --> 00:32:16,457
do commercial projects. And I got to keep up with those guys who can dive
490
00:32:16,518 --> 00:32:20,620
to 150 feet, no problem. So it's like, Can't
491
00:32:20,661 --> 00:32:24,063
do that. I was getting to like maybe 80 90. Yeah good
492
00:32:24,083 --> 00:32:27,326
day, but the comfortability of understanding your body and
493
00:32:27,366 --> 00:32:30,849
your your Your again smallness in
494
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:34,392
that space and being aware Really allowed me to kind
495
00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:38,175
of thrive and be comfortable with learning the technical skills
496
00:32:38,235 --> 00:32:41,398
of shooting in those environments You brought up a good
497
00:32:41,458 --> 00:32:44,801
point to that, you know, okay, you're you're obviously just diving in
498
00:32:47,247 --> 00:32:50,510
risk element, especially if you're free diving, you know, you
499
00:32:50,530 --> 00:32:53,874
only got so much time down there, or even doing some of the
500
00:32:53,954 --> 00:32:57,177
scuba diving you're doing, which can be kind of high
501
00:32:57,257 --> 00:33:00,620
risk. And I can speak from that, having done that shoot with you in Africa
502
00:33:00,660 --> 00:33:03,903
a few years ago, when we were off Alawal Shoal somewhere, and
503
00:33:03,923 --> 00:33:07,587
we're wondering what the hell everybody's going in the water for. But
504
00:33:08,908 --> 00:33:12,433
it's also beside the elements You're
505
00:33:12,453 --> 00:33:15,996
also dealing with wildlife, you know big wild, you know predatories like
506
00:33:16,036 --> 00:33:19,759
you mentioned anacondas saltwater crocs sharks
507
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,063
Obviously, well, maybe obviously not but what kind of
508
00:33:24,103 --> 00:33:27,565
prepared you for that to have that extra? Knowledge like
509
00:33:27,626 --> 00:33:32,509
how do you deal? Okay, you're out in the Amazon you have like a 20-foot anaconda
510
00:33:32,529 --> 00:33:36,012
or something? How do you prepare for
511
00:33:38,414 --> 00:33:41,696
Yeah, I mean I guess it's
512
00:33:42,576 --> 00:33:46,260
becoming a sponge to the people around you who are knowledgeable
513
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,703
of those species. Before I
514
00:33:49,743 --> 00:33:53,586
was on these big network shoots, I remember following guys
515
00:33:53,606 --> 00:33:56,969
like Mike Dornellis, rest in peace, who was the
516
00:33:57,009 --> 00:34:00,592
godfather of shooting and touching and hands-on
517
00:34:00,652 --> 00:34:03,915
and situational awareness with large tiger
518
00:34:03,955 --> 00:34:07,690
sharks in the Bahamas and bull sharks in Florida. everything
519
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:10,953
he did around the world is just like honing in on these
520
00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:14,336
kind of people who I want to be and you know turn into one day
521
00:34:14,416 --> 00:34:17,559
and understanding like how they handle situations and
522
00:34:17,939 --> 00:34:21,182
the footage those you know someone like Mike had was just
523
00:34:21,222 --> 00:34:24,785
incredible in that you could see that you know here's a here's
524
00:34:24,805 --> 00:34:28,229
some behavior that this shark's giving and he's explaining it and
525
00:34:28,449 --> 00:34:31,793
here's how you deter them or here's how you keep yourself in between
526
00:34:31,853 --> 00:34:35,798
him keep your camera in between the animal and yourself and
527
00:34:35,818 --> 00:34:39,442
then it's just personal experience after that it's like all right your first dive
528
00:34:39,462 --> 00:34:42,819
with tiger sharks Bahamas is different because it's you
529
00:34:42,839 --> 00:34:46,040
know, those those animals are a bit habituated But it
530
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,542
at least that was one of my first network and big shark
531
00:34:49,622 --> 00:34:53,164
shoots was with those animals which was great because you
532
00:34:53,184 --> 00:34:56,665
know, they're not they're wild but they're They're used to people feeding
533
00:34:56,705 --> 00:34:59,847
them and they're not there to attack you or bite you they're
534
00:34:59,867 --> 00:35:03,129
there to be fed so that gives you opportunity to kind of feel out the room
535
00:35:03,189 --> 00:35:06,450
and and experience that and kind of learn from it
536
00:35:07,331 --> 00:35:10,500
and then I mean, as you know, as Dave, as
537
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,741
you know, it's those sharks, you know, those
538
00:35:13,801 --> 00:35:17,002
wild sharks in South Africa or around the world are really timid in
539
00:35:17,022 --> 00:35:20,123
there. They don't want to get close to you. It's really hard to
540
00:35:20,163 --> 00:35:23,624
get them to come in and interact and get those shots. So it's,
541
00:35:23,824 --> 00:35:27,484
you know, it was an accumulation of, you know, watching and observing and
542
00:35:27,624 --> 00:35:30,825
hearing things and taking advice and. just you know
543
00:35:31,366 --> 00:35:34,567
keeping a level head and just being constantly aware of your
544
00:35:34,607 --> 00:35:37,948
surroundings and doing things when you should do them and just
545
00:35:38,448 --> 00:35:41,789
You know maintaining your your presence in the water with these
546
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:46,191
large animals that rule that space Yeah,
547
00:35:46,311 --> 00:35:49,832
I just get curious like and obviously you deal with you obviously do a lot of stuff with sharks
548
00:35:49,873 --> 00:35:53,014
and stuff So you build up a certain knowledge there But you mentioned like you're some of
549
00:35:53,034 --> 00:35:56,255
the other stuff when you deal with like saltwater crocs, which I wouldn't
550
00:35:57,169 --> 00:36:00,955
have to be out and some, well, I've been out with them, but I just try
551
00:36:00,975 --> 00:36:05,643
to keep my distance and like look at them from a distance because they're, they're,
552
00:36:09,009 --> 00:36:12,153
They don't judge. They don't judge. I, I,
553
00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:15,476
yeah, I'm on the same page, man. It's like, yeah, at
554
00:36:15,496 --> 00:36:18,940
a certain point I was like, all right, I kind of got sharks covered to a certain extent. I
555
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,524
understand their behavioral cues and, um, I
556
00:36:22,584 --> 00:36:25,727
know what to do in certain situations, but you know, we didn't, we
557
00:36:25,747 --> 00:36:28,851
didn't get in the water with the shark, uh, with the saltwater crocodiles in
558
00:36:28,871 --> 00:36:32,455
Myanmar because it's, zero visibility, strictly
559
00:36:32,575 --> 00:36:35,818
on the boats, try to capture one and tag it. But
560
00:36:35,838 --> 00:36:39,482
we did alligators in Florida. That was
561
00:36:39,502 --> 00:36:42,945
sketchy because I don't know
562
00:36:43,006 --> 00:36:47,010
if any human can understand a wild crocodilian
563
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:50,591
or alligator. as much as we do understand sharks and
564
00:36:50,611 --> 00:36:54,476
the behavioral cues, because crocodiles, I
565
00:36:54,516 --> 00:36:57,739
don't know, same with anacondas. The first couple times I jumped in the water
566
00:37:04,206 --> 00:37:08,029
I think it's funny how you talk about these crocodiles,
567
00:37:08,229 --> 00:37:11,552
alligators, anacondas, and things. You're like, yeah, the first couple
568
00:37:14,054 --> 00:37:17,317
Most people are like, what are you doing? Why would you jump in when
569
00:37:17,357 --> 00:37:20,579
you see them? Put your camera in the water. Just figure it out from there.
570
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:25,243
So what makes you have sort
571
00:37:25,303 --> 00:37:28,466
of the gumption to be like, all
572
00:37:28,486 --> 00:37:32,385
right, I got to get this shot? And I know there's
573
00:37:32,425 --> 00:37:35,487
a risk. There is an undoubted risk of putting it
574
00:37:35,527 --> 00:37:38,730
as low as it might be with sharks. But you're
575
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:42,112
looking at alligators, crocodiles, anacondas. You never
576
00:37:42,172 --> 00:37:45,595
know what's going to happen with them. What makes
577
00:37:45,695 --> 00:37:49,097
you have that courage to
578
00:37:49,657 --> 00:37:53,200
jump in knowing that there is a potential risk, however
579
00:37:56,562 --> 00:38:00,335
Yeah. You've got to have a certain mentality to
580
00:38:00,375 --> 00:38:04,420
do this as a living. I don't know where it came from. You
581
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,064
always have fear and appreciation for something that's stronger
582
00:38:08,104 --> 00:38:11,307
than you in certain environments, but somebody's got to do it
583
00:38:11,367 --> 00:38:14,550
and something within me thinks that I can do
584
00:38:14,590 --> 00:38:17,853
that. It's a weird thing because
585
00:38:17,873 --> 00:38:21,036
it's like, this is dangerous, but if somebody's going to do
586
00:38:21,116 --> 00:38:24,379
it, I have confidence in myself and my mentors and the people
587
00:38:24,399 --> 00:38:27,662
around me. When we went to Brazil to
588
00:38:27,702 --> 00:38:31,385
do the anacondas, we were there with a professional guide
589
00:38:31,425 --> 00:38:34,908
and photographer who's been shooting them for 30 years. He's
590
00:38:34,948 --> 00:38:38,330
like, all right, these are things you don't want to do. These are things you
591
00:38:38,451 --> 00:38:42,323
can do. And I remember that project.
592
00:38:42,803 --> 00:38:46,225
We spotted one on the bank, and our goal was to capture one
593
00:38:46,285 --> 00:38:49,627
and weigh it and take a DNA sample and all that stuff.
594
00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:53,369
And I was the first one in the water because I had to get the underwater shot. And
595
00:38:53,409 --> 00:38:56,611
luckily, the water's super clear. I was like, all right, at least I can see
596
00:38:56,671 --> 00:39:00,173
this thing. It's sunbathing. It's relaxed. It's
597
00:39:00,233 --> 00:39:03,595
not on the hunt. It's the middle of the day. I don't really know much about
598
00:39:03,615 --> 00:39:06,857
them, but if that guy tells me it's OK to get in, I'm going to get in
599
00:39:06,937 --> 00:39:10,080
because I trust that person. when dealing with
600
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,404
something that I've never faced before, and it's
601
00:39:13,584 --> 00:39:16,828
been fine so far, but... Knock on
602
00:39:18,570 --> 00:39:21,975
And this goes to expand on my question too,
603
00:39:22,375 --> 00:39:25,598
you know, you You have you and your teammates and
604
00:39:25,618 --> 00:39:29,559
your crew have put yourselves in some sort of danger.
605
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,261
How much does, you know, safety play into these
606
00:39:34,322 --> 00:39:37,683
types of roles, you know, in terms of training, not only
607
00:39:37,823 --> 00:39:41,104
as a diver, but also as a camera person, just as
608
00:39:41,124 --> 00:39:44,687
a workplace? We see people in offices all
609
00:39:44,707 --> 00:39:50,254
the time taking CPR courses and first aid. Do
610
00:39:50,434 --> 00:39:53,978
you yourself have that type of training or do you have crews
611
00:39:54,038 --> 00:39:57,242
or a medic on board just to make sure that, God
612
00:39:57,302 --> 00:40:00,525
forbid, something does happen, that somebody's there
613
00:40:04,138 --> 00:40:07,320
Yeah, depending on the shoot and most shoots, actually pretty much
614
00:40:07,420 --> 00:40:11,283
all of them have a medic on staff who specializes in
615
00:40:11,824 --> 00:40:15,486
those fields and knows how to treat any potential wounds
616
00:40:16,127 --> 00:40:19,749
with the wildlife we're dealing with. But
617
00:40:20,170 --> 00:40:23,452
on top of that, it just comes down to really, you know,
618
00:40:23,512 --> 00:40:27,115
when we decide who our crews are on any of these projects, you
619
00:40:27,155 --> 00:40:30,457
know, that's a person that you trust with your life. at
620
00:40:30,537 --> 00:40:33,680
all times. You know, it's someone that, you know, when
621
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:37,023
you're in, you know, if you're shooting something topside, you can communicate, you
622
00:40:37,043 --> 00:40:40,206
can talk to them. But when you're in, when you're underwater, there's, it's,
623
00:40:40,606 --> 00:40:43,789
it's all, you're almost like talking to each
624
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:47,152
other without speaking. You know, you're looking at each other, you're making sure you're
625
00:40:47,192 --> 00:40:50,495
maintaining eye contact with both the animal and your dive buddy,
626
00:40:50,915 --> 00:40:54,218
which goes back to the fundamentals of free diving, which, you know, I came up,
627
00:40:54,598 --> 00:40:58,061
came up in. Yeah. And just watching
628
00:40:58,101 --> 00:41:01,404
each other's backs and trusting that the person that you're in the water with is going
629
00:41:01,424 --> 00:41:05,268
to make the best decision for everyone in the water. Now,
630
00:41:05,548 --> 00:41:08,871
you know, that comes with a dive plan, you know, like Dave O'Meara in
631
00:41:08,951 --> 00:41:12,228
South Africa, I remember we were dealing with
632
00:41:12,308 --> 00:41:16,252
like 10 to 15 knot currents at 100 feet and
633
00:41:16,412 --> 00:41:19,876
you know the captain had to put us in at a perfect
634
00:41:20,016 --> 00:41:23,320
location to where we'd land on the reef and you know film
635
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:26,583
what we were there to film and sometimes we missed and I'm like
636
00:41:26,743 --> 00:41:30,046
guys this is kind of getting this is like we're wasting time here so
637
00:41:31,064 --> 00:41:34,408
If we don't land on this reef, like, and I'm the, you know, somewhat
638
00:41:34,428 --> 00:41:37,852
of the new guy, we all kind of came to an agreement that if we don't hit it immediately, let's
639
00:41:37,872 --> 00:41:41,136
just go back up. So we have a shorter surface interval and let's go
640
00:41:41,176 --> 00:41:44,561
back down and try to hit it again. So it's like, it's, you know, dive
641
00:41:44,621 --> 00:41:48,056
plans. Yeah. You know, being
642
00:41:48,096 --> 00:41:51,738
knowledgeable of everything that you can encounter on those those dives is
643
00:41:51,798 --> 00:41:55,421
important because you got to know like it's not common, but
644
00:41:55,521 --> 00:41:58,823
you could have a white shark come in. It's not common, but you could have
645
00:41:59,023 --> 00:42:02,246
a, you know, a venomous snake come in or something like that. And these are the things
646
00:42:02,286 --> 00:42:05,688
you need to be aware of. And that's a part of the very critical
647
00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:11,952
Yeah. Well, I even, I even know the, like the show I did with you
648
00:42:12,292 --> 00:42:15,475
a few years ago on the land of the lost sharks, where like you just
649
00:42:15,515 --> 00:42:18,551
talked about, we had like pretty rippin' currents and I know at least a
650
00:42:18,611 --> 00:42:22,078
couple of days there we had like, you know, what, 10 foot
651
00:42:22,138 --> 00:42:25,505
swells in a six second period. It was pretty rough out
652
00:42:25,545 --> 00:42:28,755
there and I was thinking, I still remember thinking like, This was like
653
00:42:29,115 --> 00:42:32,717
nuts, you know, and I tell
654
00:42:32,777 --> 00:42:36,099
a story. Forrest kept asking that guy, Spike, who was running the boat, like,
655
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,940
is it OK to be out here? And Spike's like, yeah, it's OK. And
656
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,222
you guys are going, Forrest never, he never asked the
657
00:42:47,144 --> 00:42:50,421
And that's like. something's wrong here. If I hear
658
00:42:52,722 --> 00:42:55,904
I just remember thinking to myself going like, man, I must be a real wimp, man.
659
00:42:55,944 --> 00:42:59,586
If these guys are gonna go in here, this is like crazy out here. And
660
00:42:59,867 --> 00:43:03,128
um. Oh, yeah. I remember you guys dropped it. Yeah. I just remember
661
00:43:03,148 --> 00:43:06,370
we had to fight cuz we had to thank and we thankfully we brought the I was
662
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:09,812
a little surprised you guys ended up going but Spike said it was okay so I guess Spike
663
00:43:09,852 --> 00:43:13,314
said it was okay to go in but um having
664
00:43:13,334 --> 00:43:19,110
to find you guys cuz you guys got blown way off where we're That
665
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:22,652
one dive you did there and it was just, it was sketch
666
00:43:25,634 --> 00:43:28,716
Yeah, that was a scary one. That was like one of my, I
667
00:43:28,756 --> 00:43:32,018
think that was my first shark week ever and I was a great
668
00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:36,100
free diver, I was an okay scuba diver. And I
669
00:43:36,140 --> 00:43:39,562
just remember going on one of those dives where we got on the reef, we
670
00:43:39,582 --> 00:43:43,185
did everything, we were at like 120 feet. And I
671
00:43:43,205 --> 00:43:46,408
remember Mark Romanoff was our DP. So
672
00:43:46,448 --> 00:43:49,872
he was on forest and my job was to film wildlife around
673
00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:53,616
us and maybe get a couple of behind the scenes of Mark filming forest
674
00:43:53,656 --> 00:43:56,859
and any other shots I can get. And I just remember being at that
675
00:43:56,959 --> 00:44:00,122
depth and I, you know, maybe it was too much gas. And I just
676
00:44:00,142 --> 00:44:03,586
remember filming this, this giant grouper for
677
00:44:03,646 --> 00:44:06,909
about 20, 30 seconds. And with that
678
00:44:06,969 --> 00:44:10,352
much current not maintaining, you know, the awareness of where your crew
679
00:44:10,473 --> 00:44:13,696
is, I look back and nobody's around me. Oh, that's like,
680
00:44:13,936 --> 00:44:17,059
oh, God. And I could hear that, like, I was so far away that they were breaking up in the
681
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:21,123
comms. And I was like, what did I just do? And so initially,
682
00:44:21,143 --> 00:44:24,452
like, I looked at my dive computer and I was like all
683
00:44:24,472 --> 00:44:27,595
right I'm just gonna go up and hopefully I'm near the boat had the
684
00:44:27,635 --> 00:44:30,918
safety sausage and I was nowhere near anyone and
685
00:44:30,938 --> 00:44:34,101
that's where I was there you guys were actually looking for me and I remember taking the next
686
00:44:34,141 --> 00:44:37,264
dive off because I was a bit rattled yeah the
687
00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:45,862
Yeah. Well, in that situation, in a current
688
00:44:45,902 --> 00:44:49,524
like that, you're trying to maintain safety,
689
00:44:49,544 --> 00:44:52,786
you're trying to keep an eye on people. And even
690
00:44:52,826 --> 00:44:56,088
in any other type of weather, whether it's less than that,
691
00:44:56,908 --> 00:45:00,290
how do you maintain keeping your
692
00:45:00,310 --> 00:45:03,812
awareness and also shooting what you're there to shoot? You
693
00:45:03,832 --> 00:45:07,034
know what I mean? Because that's what you're there for,
694
00:45:07,074 --> 00:45:10,327
that's your job. Is it a little bit of a sacrifice and
695
00:45:10,367 --> 00:45:14,111
sometimes of being aware and that's where the trust, like obviously that situation
696
00:45:14,151 --> 00:45:17,354
was a current, but in a regular situation is the trust of
697
00:45:17,394 --> 00:45:20,617
your dive buddy to be like, Hey, I'm right here. You focus on,
698
00:45:20,938 --> 00:45:24,101
on the camera work and then I'll, I'll look around and
699
00:45:26,703 --> 00:45:30,124
Yeah. I mean, on some of the technical dives, I mean, when
700
00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:33,706
you're dealing with current, like even if you have, like we had South African safety divers
701
00:45:33,746 --> 00:45:37,647
with us and, you know, somehow my safety diver disappeared,
702
00:45:37,927 --> 00:45:41,848
which is not the best feeling, but it
703
00:45:41,949 --> 00:45:45,330
is, it just, it, it all just comes with experience really. Um,
704
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:50,172
It's like, all right, this is my limit, I can't go past this. Regardless
705
00:45:50,252 --> 00:45:54,575
of what's happening, this is the end of this dive. You
706
00:45:54,595 --> 00:45:58,077
could have the most incredible animal behavior or scene going on
707
00:45:58,137 --> 00:46:02,159
and you gotta call it because you're maintaining communication
708
00:46:02,219 --> 00:46:05,361
and you have that experience. And really, in a
709
00:46:05,401 --> 00:46:09,183
very risky situation, recognizing there's a threshold to
710
00:46:09,223 --> 00:46:12,624
that risk factor and
711
00:46:12,705 --> 00:46:16,026
you can't go beyond it or else something That could
712
00:46:16,967 --> 00:46:20,188
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've
713
00:46:20,509 --> 00:46:23,670
been doing these Shark Week shows. You've got
714
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:27,592
one coming up this year. Actually, it'll have aired by the time we
715
00:46:32,715 --> 00:46:35,896
Yeah, so... You don't have to give it away. Alien
716
00:46:35,916 --> 00:46:39,058
Sharks Japan. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really know what
717
00:46:45,051 --> 00:46:48,412
Yeah, no, I mean we flew, it'll be aired by, you know,
718
00:46:48,472 --> 00:46:51,994
the show comes out tomorrow night. Yeah, so you should be
719
00:46:52,014 --> 00:46:56,096
good. Got to experience the marine-rich environment
720
00:46:56,156 --> 00:46:59,397
of the Japan, you know, underwater ecosystem, which
721
00:46:59,437 --> 00:47:02,678
was incredible. You know, I think we ticked
722
00:47:02,798 --> 00:47:06,680
off 12 to 15 different shark species. Wow. you
723
00:47:07,201 --> 00:47:10,524
know, cold water. You know, we were both doing
724
00:47:10,584 --> 00:47:14,387
reef dives, night dives. You know, we were utilizing
725
00:47:15,068 --> 00:47:19,532
some long lining vessels to try to capture and do
726
00:47:19,552 --> 00:47:22,735
some sampling on some alien shark species, deep
727
00:47:22,795 --> 00:47:25,837
water species. Dave, as you know, that's, you know, a
728
00:47:25,877 --> 00:47:29,045
very Efficient way to handle those
729
00:47:29,085 --> 00:47:32,748
situations. Yep. We had some bruv work Christine
730
00:47:32,788 --> 00:47:36,230
DeSilva was was on the project and she dropped bruvs every day.
731
00:47:36,350 --> 00:47:40,314
So we kind of gave it from you know 20 to 100 feet
732
00:47:40,394 --> 00:47:43,596
of diving and then you know 500 to 800 feet of long lining and then 800 to a you know 1,500 2,000 feet of
733
00:47:43,636 --> 00:47:56,580
bruv work on that episode and we came up with some cool stuff It was It
734
00:47:56,620 --> 00:48:00,122
was, it was cold. Japan is, we knew it was going to be cold, but
735
00:48:00,222 --> 00:48:03,663
you know, the water was, you know, 50, 50 degrees or so. It's
736
00:48:03,683 --> 00:48:07,545
cold. Um, but the top side was, you know, 20 to 40 degrees
737
00:48:07,665 --> 00:48:11,166
out. So hot buckets of water down the wetsuit. As
738
00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:18,429
You guys, were you guys filming? You guys filming around Saruga Bay was
739
00:48:18,449 --> 00:48:22,411
Saruga Bay you're filming. Okay. Now that there's a lot of really cool.
740
00:48:23,171 --> 00:48:26,330
Yeah. I did a, I did a, I did an alien shark show there in
741
00:48:28,131 --> 00:48:31,792
2017, and we got a bunch of, there was a couple
742
00:48:31,892 --> 00:48:35,073
of, we got one new species of sharks on that shoot, and
743
00:48:35,093 --> 00:48:38,254
then we got, the main target was goblin sharks. We
744
00:48:38,294 --> 00:48:41,515
got one new species, then we got another species. It was only like
745
00:48:41,555 --> 00:48:44,736
the 10th one I've ever been seen of the species there, which
746
00:48:44,796 --> 00:48:48,577
is pretty cool on that one. So when you say diverse, it's
747
00:48:48,597 --> 00:48:54,065
a pretty diverse area to go. And
748
00:48:54,505 --> 00:48:57,808
so yeah, I can only imagine you had some really amazing stuff to
749
00:48:58,689 --> 00:49:02,172
be able to film there during that shoot. And you
750
00:49:02,192 --> 00:49:05,516
guys, I think, I went in like March or so, which is right, you
751
00:49:05,536 --> 00:49:08,919
had to kind of duck in and out of storms, roll through for a day or two.
752
00:49:08,999 --> 00:49:12,262
And do you guys, so you guys kind of went, I think went a few months
753
00:49:12,322 --> 00:49:16,666
ago, but I don't know if it's still wintertime or spring yet, but. I
754
00:49:17,006 --> 00:49:20,428
think it was like February or March, I can't remember.
755
00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:28,432
It's incredible that cold, cold, definitely still cold,
756
00:49:28,972 --> 00:49:32,334
but incredible to kind of see
757
00:49:32,354 --> 00:49:35,976
that much life in a place that's been fished for thousands
758
00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:39,217
of years. The Japanese culture is so into it.
759
00:49:40,378 --> 00:49:44,441
For a long period, I might be wrong, but that was
760
00:49:44,461 --> 00:49:48,164
all they ate was fish for a long time, culturally. But
761
00:49:52,487 --> 00:49:55,669
Did you not expect that? Had anybody warned you that there'd be a lot
762
00:49:55,709 --> 00:49:58,992
of different life? Because I didn't know before talking to
763
00:49:59,052 --> 00:50:02,234
Dave about his trips there that it
764
00:50:02,274 --> 00:50:05,416
was that diverse in the oceans there. Were you aware of
765
00:50:06,757 --> 00:50:10,258
I mean, I did a little bit of research. I do some research before every project and
766
00:50:10,278 --> 00:50:13,619
I knew that, you know, there's a likelihood of seeing this,
767
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,020
that, and the third, but not to the extent of
768
00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:20,440
some of those reefs. You know, there's some MPAs and areas that we dove
769
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,721
that were really, really wild and beautiful. But it
770
00:50:23,981 --> 00:50:27,342
is nice, you know, to see that, you
771
00:50:27,362 --> 00:50:31,768
know, from the stretches of our planet that there are still ecosystems
772
00:50:31,788 --> 00:50:35,111
that seem to be doing okay, which on paper aren't,
773
00:50:35,531 --> 00:50:39,073
but to at least capture it and show some promise
774
00:50:42,916 --> 00:50:46,418
Yeah. It's definitely a culture that's very connected to
775
00:50:50,528 --> 00:50:54,030
Did you guys happen to go to the Tsukiji fish market there, which is like the largest fish
776
00:50:54,070 --> 00:50:57,271
market in the world you guys In Tokyo to
777
00:50:57,311 --> 00:51:01,033
me a majority of the crew didn't I think we sent Liam
778
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:04,514
one of our assistants there to get some b-roll I
779
00:51:04,554 --> 00:51:07,876
Believe that was in the story, but I kind of I think it got scratched out of the story So
780
00:51:07,916 --> 00:51:11,538
I didn't get to personally see it, which is kind of a bummer. But yeah,
781
00:51:11,798 --> 00:51:14,999
I say if you ever have a chance definitely enjoyed some Yeah,
782
00:51:17,251 --> 00:51:20,473
It's like the world's biggest fish market, but you'll
783
00:51:20,493 --> 00:51:23,836
just see some amazing fishes there, of course sharks and
784
00:51:24,376 --> 00:51:28,039
rays and stuff, but it's amazing if you go there, just the diversity
785
00:51:28,059 --> 00:51:32,261
of things you'll see there. I mean, obviously they're being sold for food, but
786
00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,664
you just see a whole variety of things that are really, really
787
00:51:38,308 --> 00:51:41,691
Yeah, I wish I could. I'm planning on going back.
788
00:51:41,731 --> 00:51:45,194
I gotta go back. When I came back from that trip, I was like, the culture, the
789
00:51:45,254 --> 00:51:49,537
people are so nice, the food. You can't beat Japanese cuisine.
790
00:51:50,097 --> 00:51:54,101
Yeah, it was too bad. Usually on these trips, if
791
00:51:54,121 --> 00:51:57,343
you get away with it, you can stay, you can have production fly you out
792
00:51:57,383 --> 00:52:00,666
a few weeks later or a week later so you can enjoy it. But
793
00:52:00,686 --> 00:52:04,716
I wasn't able to do that on this trip, which is a bummer. Next
794
00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:08,518
Did you enjoy some of the sushi while
795
00:52:10,799 --> 00:52:16,183
Oh my God, too much sushi. I had to take a couple months
796
00:52:16,203 --> 00:52:19,505
off. Some of the hotels we were staying at, we were on a strict
797
00:52:19,525 --> 00:52:23,007
schedule, so it was like buffet, all right guys, buffet in the morning, buffet
798
00:52:23,047 --> 00:52:26,869
at night, and it was like the same spread every day. It was delicious, but
799
00:52:27,369 --> 00:52:30,611
we were able to get out and explore. get some
800
00:52:30,652 --> 00:52:33,954
good ramen and sushi and all
801
00:52:36,456 --> 00:52:39,939
Let me ask you this. When you do a shoot like
802
00:52:39,999 --> 00:52:43,963
this, like say this lost shark, the alien sharks, and
803
00:52:43,983 --> 00:52:47,445
then you know it's coming up, I assume you watch
804
00:52:47,485 --> 00:52:52,990
the last cut before it gets sent to the to
805
00:52:53,551 --> 00:52:58,275
sort of the network, maybe, maybe not. But what
806
00:52:58,295 --> 00:53:01,579
do you look forward to? Do you watch the show when it goes
807
00:53:01,659 --> 00:53:05,222
live, like when it's on the network? Do you watch it? And if you do, what
808
00:53:10,047 --> 00:53:14,168
Um, I mean, so when we were in the field, um, JQ
809
00:53:14,188 --> 00:53:17,729
Brantley, who is the topside director of photography and our underwater
810
00:53:17,769 --> 00:53:21,150
team, like we try as, as tired as we are and as much as possible to
811
00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:24,731
review footage in the field to make sure everything was captured properly or
812
00:53:24,771 --> 00:53:27,852
if there's things we need to reshoot. So we've got a good sense as to
813
00:53:27,892 --> 00:53:31,033
what we've captured. Um, but it really comes down to
814
00:53:31,073 --> 00:53:34,294
our boy, Jesse Kalasi and looking forward to what he's created, you
815
00:53:34,334 --> 00:53:38,055
know, when those shows come out and it's always a pleasant surprise.
816
00:53:38,515 --> 00:53:41,957
Um, I mean, from Extinct or Alive Season 2 to
817
00:53:42,077 --> 00:53:45,801
every Shark Week we've done and other shows, the
818
00:53:45,821 --> 00:53:50,225
guy works magic and he really brings everything to life. So
819
00:53:50,245 --> 00:53:54,568
that's what I'm most excited for. I always send him a text like, you're
820
00:53:54,588 --> 00:53:57,791
a damn wizard, Harry. You did it again. He
821
00:54:03,538 --> 00:54:06,719
If you haven't caught it, check out Jesse Colazzi's episode we
822
00:54:06,739 --> 00:54:10,221
did recently. I found it fascinating
823
00:54:10,821 --> 00:54:13,962
what goes on in actually putting together the program. He
824
00:54:14,002 --> 00:54:17,804
gets all this film, he gets the music, he works
825
00:54:17,824 --> 00:54:21,365
the magic there to really pull the whole show together.
826
00:54:21,385 --> 00:54:24,567
I don't know
827
00:54:24,607 --> 00:54:27,708
if it's traditional for an editor to do this, but he's always on
828
00:54:27,728 --> 00:54:31,056
the pre-production calls. He's like, hey guys, When
829
00:54:31,116 --> 00:54:34,318
I go into a project that's, aside from networks, it's like I
830
00:54:34,398 --> 00:54:37,639
edit, so I have an editor's mentality where it's like, this is what we need for
831
00:54:37,659 --> 00:54:40,760
a project. And he does that so well in that, you know, he's on
832
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:44,142
the calls with Forrest and the whole crew. He's like, I have ideas for
833
00:54:44,222 --> 00:54:47,503
transitions in and out of these scenes. You know, if you guys want to shoot stuff like
834
00:54:47,543 --> 00:54:51,105
this, he's never pushy, but he's like, I have a cool idea. And those ideas
835
00:54:51,245 --> 00:54:55,567
always end up working out in our favor at the end. And it's just really wonderful
836
00:54:58,568 --> 00:55:01,849
And willing to experiment like just from an idea right
837
00:55:04,711 --> 00:55:08,172
Yeah elevates the film Did you do
838
00:55:08,252 --> 00:55:12,013
any other shark week shows this year was that just the one for Japan you
839
00:55:15,818 --> 00:55:19,062
So I was supposed to go to Florida with the boys. They
840
00:55:19,102 --> 00:55:22,825
had another show called dead zone but during
841
00:55:22,885 --> 00:55:27,210
Japan actually Experienced a pretty bad sinus Problem.
842
00:55:27,550 --> 00:55:31,294
I had like barotrauma of my frontal lobe. Oh
843
00:55:31,634 --> 00:55:35,097
Yeah, I had like most of the dives I was coming out bleeding
844
00:55:35,137 --> 00:55:38,921
from my nose because I must have had a sinus infection going on so
845
00:55:38,961 --> 00:55:42,263
I had to like It was kind of a bummer because, you
846
00:55:42,303 --> 00:55:45,764
know, I'm the underwater DOP and I had to take a bunch of dives off
847
00:55:45,804 --> 00:55:48,866
on that trip, but, you know, the guys are, you
848
00:55:48,886 --> 00:55:52,007
know, JQ Brantley and Mike Nolte, they're both very talented, so I
849
00:55:52,087 --> 00:55:55,408
wasn't worried about it, but this one was, I was like, ah, I
850
00:55:55,428 --> 00:55:59,110
wish I could have been under there a little longer, so I wasn't able to make that project,
851
00:55:59,210 --> 00:56:02,552
but... I ended up picking up
852
00:56:02,672 --> 00:56:05,915
a BBC gig with Mark Romanoff, who you
853
00:56:05,935 --> 00:56:09,197
know as Dave, and we got
854
00:56:09,237 --> 00:56:12,820
to go up and film a pretty special project up there during that window, so
855
00:56:17,263 --> 00:56:20,586
So is there something that, as your career
856
00:56:20,626 --> 00:56:24,649
continues, you've gotten to do some pretty cool things, filming
857
00:56:24,689 --> 00:56:28,077
Crocs, You know, Anaconda is filming different types
858
00:56:28,117 --> 00:56:31,461
of sharks and deep sea sharks and things like that. Is
859
00:56:31,501 --> 00:56:35,125
there a particular animal or
860
00:56:35,285 --> 00:56:38,629
type of show that is on your bucket list that you haven't
861
00:56:42,754 --> 00:56:45,972
Man, that's tough. I mean, I still haven't
862
00:56:45,992 --> 00:56:50,175
done white sharks. That's got to be number one for me. Gotcha.
863
00:56:57,319 --> 00:57:01,081
I know. Plenty of them up here. I
864
00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:04,783
saw what you texted me like two or three weeks ago. You just
865
00:57:04,823 --> 00:57:08,225
spotted 40 or something. I was like, yeah, it's like Del Mar down
866
00:57:08,285 --> 00:57:13,335
here. Yeah, there's a lot of sharks here too. Yeah,
867
00:57:13,355 --> 00:57:16,676
I want to swim with those guys. But
868
00:57:16,716 --> 00:57:19,817
really, I don't really have a preference as
869
00:57:19,877 --> 00:57:23,878
to the projects I work on, so long as they
870
00:57:24,018 --> 00:57:28,019
maintain a level of conservation and human
871
00:57:28,059 --> 00:57:31,160
connection to our wild world that we live in.
872
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:35,882
So I guess I'm known for
873
00:57:36,182 --> 00:57:39,363
doing Shark Week and things like this, but I just as
874
00:57:39,423 --> 00:57:43,231
equally love shooting projects
875
00:57:43,271 --> 00:57:46,393
of humans in that environment as well. Our
876
00:57:46,433 --> 00:57:50,596
connection to the environment is so important and to capture
877
00:57:50,637 --> 00:57:54,199
that and promote that to people who don't
878
00:57:54,219 --> 00:57:57,562
necessarily understand it or aren't attached to it in the ways that I
879
00:57:57,582 --> 00:58:01,424
am is very important to me. in terms of maintaining
880
00:58:01,484 --> 00:58:04,725
and preserving what is so important to our world, which
881
00:58:04,805 --> 00:58:08,166
is our marine and our ecological world.
882
00:58:09,547 --> 00:58:12,888
Another question, too, is you're doing a lot with your company now, in
883
00:58:12,928 --> 00:58:16,269
addition to the programs you're doing,
884
00:58:16,649 --> 00:58:21,911
you're doing branding now with products and stuff? This
885
00:58:22,892 --> 00:58:26,113
is another potential avenue you went in just
886
00:58:26,153 --> 00:58:30,644
to be able to increase your business and, and,
887
00:58:31,144 --> 00:58:35,308
and I guess, job money opportunities, getting
888
00:58:35,328 --> 00:58:38,631
into going into some of these different directions. Nothing wrong
889
00:58:38,931 --> 00:58:42,314
Yeah, totally. Yeah, I mean, what
890
00:58:42,614 --> 00:58:46,297
one of the greatest pieces of advice I got from my photography teacher
891
00:58:46,457 --> 00:58:49,796
in college was, You're going to have your project that you
892
00:58:49,836 --> 00:58:53,179
want to make so badly that probably isn't going to make you money. You're
893
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:56,542
going to deal with that battle for your entire career and there's projects
894
00:58:56,562 --> 00:59:01,047
that you have to take to pay the bills. That
895
00:59:01,427 --> 00:59:04,770
sat with me and I did the wedding thing. I'll never do it again. I'd rather
896
00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:08,193
swim with crocodiles and sharks for the rest of my life
897
00:59:08,294 --> 00:59:13,638
even if it's free than deal with an angry bride. or
898
00:59:13,678 --> 00:59:16,839
like an angry uncle I did a wedding once and it the
899
00:59:17,579 --> 00:59:21,040
One of the uncles sat next to me on the couch when I was filming the groomsmen having
900
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,581
their you know Their whiskey and he's like, you know kid. There's
901
00:59:24,681 --> 00:59:27,841
nothing worse than a photographer who screws up the wedding. I was
902
00:59:30,642 --> 00:59:33,883
Wow. Thank you interesting. Yeah, I
903
00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:37,584
was that helpful, but Terrible
904
00:59:44,886 --> 00:59:48,729
But, no, I mean, all those, my
905
00:59:48,769 --> 00:59:52,171
production company focuses heavily on branded content in the outdoor
906
00:59:52,191 --> 00:59:55,614
industry. So it's adventure media, and it's really,
907
00:59:55,814 --> 00:59:58,896
you know, it's not just to pay the bills, it's, you know, I
908
00:59:58,936 --> 01:00:02,218
only take on the projects and pitch and come
909
01:00:02,258 --> 01:00:05,440
up with projects that allows me to maintain my lifestyle and work
910
01:00:05,460 --> 01:00:08,923
with people I enjoy working with. So, you know, I just
911
01:00:08,963 --> 01:00:12,873
want to keep doing fun things. making
912
01:00:12,893 --> 01:00:16,476
a living and experiencing, you know, just,
913
01:00:16,596 --> 01:00:20,379
just diving deeper into the human experience. So
914
01:00:22,301 --> 01:00:25,863
What do you just, this has been, this was really fascinating. Fascinating.
915
01:00:25,903 --> 01:00:29,106
Johnny, hearing, hearing about your career and stuff. What, what advice would
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you have for some young person who's just starting out as maybe he's in
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high school or college thinking they want to go in this direction? What
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Man, be hardworking. Work
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hard and be absorbent to
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the people that you're working around you. Take
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advice, learn from your mistakes. And
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I think having self-confidence is
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the biggest thing that you can have in any career. That
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was a struggle for me. It's like, you know, I was nervous
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coming on this podcast and I'm like, this is an easy conversation, you know, and
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it's like, it's just like, you know, it's just, I
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dealt with that for a while in my career coming up with
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like, oh man, there's no work coming, you know, I might not be that good, you
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know, things aren't working out and then all of a sudden somebody calls you and there's an opportunity and
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you're nervous about that opportunity because it's something bigger than what you've
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done previously. Having the confidence and work
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ethic to go into it with that mentality I think
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is the biggest thing that I've come to understand. When
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the Florida Shark Week shoot didn't work out, Mark
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called me and was like, hey, there's a BBC project. I'm like, BBC? holy
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moly man like all right yeah i can do it i'm like what is that
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project gonna in my head i'm like what's that gonna be like you know this is top
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of the top and you know we i i
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worried about it for you know a couple weeks leading into the project until
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i got there and worked with someone that i trusted and who trusted
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me and all of a sudden it's just another day on the job so
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i think for anyone young coming into
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any industry um in any field it's just having the confidence and
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work ethic and ability to work
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with people, you know, the relationships that come
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with any industry is so important. You know, everything's
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cutthroat and things can get stressful and maintaining a
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level head and understanding that you're just a piece of the
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puzzle that's going to make whatever your project is successful and,
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um, you know, and having fun and being a fun person to be around,
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It's all great. That's great. Well, Johnny, thanks very much. We
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really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and, uh,
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Best of luck with your upcoming projects, and hopefully
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you'll get back to Japan sometime and be able to enjoy a little more of the scenery next time
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you go. Absolutely. And the
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show's already aired when this comes out, but if you haven't, you get a chance on
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Shark Week this year, Alien Sharks, Ghosts of Japan, Johnny
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01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,821
Harrington and Forrest Galani and the crew. Be sure to check it out.
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Thank you so much, guys. Andrew, it was great meeting you. Dave, good
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01:03:20,866 --> 01:03:24,267
to see you again. Hopefully we can get in the water, man. Get
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Thank you so much, Johnny. We appreciate it. All right, guys. Take
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Thank you, Johnny, for being on the Beyond Jaws podcast. Really love to have you
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on and hear all those interesting stories. Dave, what'd you think
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01:03:40,964 --> 01:03:44,025
about being... Could you see yourself as a cinematographer doing this kind of
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01:03:46,605 --> 01:03:49,786
Possibly at one time or another. I mean, I think all of us go through a phase where
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we think like, it'd be great to travel the world and do filming and everything.
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And I mean, I kind of do that, but I just take pictures just for me.
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which is probably just as well that they're just for me, because I don't think anybody's
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gonna really be wanting to see, even I might enjoy them. They're
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the quality other people are gonna wanna actually pay money for.
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But it's really interesting to how, yeah, I mean, it's really interesting how these guys
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kinda got interested in, and they got interested in the filming early
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01:04:16,499 --> 01:04:19,660
on, and then they went from the filming to, you know, it
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01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,220
wasn't like they necessarily started with sharks, but they got into the whole filming thing,
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and then sharks somewhere along the way, like Johnny, For
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Scalani, they started doing these nature documentaries, and
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then one thing led to another, and the next thing he knows, they're doing shark documentaries. So
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Well, and also like the risks he took, you know, traveling with
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a few buddies to go to California, I
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believe it was San Diego, to be like, you know what, I'm gonna live there. From
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Rhode Island, I'm gonna go cross country, and I'm gonna live there. Barely getting
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there. His car broke down and I think it's Chicago He
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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,922
said had to buy a new car because it wasn't gonna work And
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then still got there and then you know just by being out there and networking and
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01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:06,207
figuring out where to be It's not very different from science
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01:05:06,267 --> 01:05:09,609
in terms of you've got to hook up with the you know The right people at the right time
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01:05:09,629 --> 01:05:12,951
a little bit of that's luck But it's also the gumption of being
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01:05:13,031 --> 01:05:16,313
able to have the wherewithal to say hey, you know what? I gotta start talking
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01:05:16,333 --> 01:05:19,955
to people and I got started getting out there and And that's what he did and his career
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has blossomed ever since so I think this is
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something that we you know it talking to more people like
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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,402
like Johnny is awesome because we get to really hear how difficult it
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01:05:30,482 --> 01:05:34,424
is to break into these types of of
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01:05:34,485 --> 01:05:38,047
Documentaries right and I think another thing too with in like with Johnny's
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case and stuff is like there's and I you've heard me I've talked about it a few
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01:05:41,269 --> 01:05:44,651
times, but when you do these shows They're pretty physically demanding you
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01:05:46,827 --> 01:05:50,529
pretty good shape, and of course, especially me, since I'm older than these guys, but even
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01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:54,132
these young guys, you gotta be in pretty good physical shape, because it's
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01:05:54,212 --> 01:05:57,454
rough out there, it's not an easy, you go on a two to three
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01:05:57,514 --> 01:06:00,636
week shoot, and you're beat, you're pretty beat by the end of
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01:06:00,656 --> 01:06:03,938
the trip. You're exhausted. And not to mention
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all those things he's had to deal with, he talked about one of his first shoots
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that went into all these crocodiles in Myanmar, and some
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01:06:11,123 --> 01:06:14,345
other places, and it's just like, you know, and that was his first,
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one of his first expeditions he ever did. So you
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01:06:17,917 --> 01:06:21,160
gotta, I guess one of those things you learn on the job or
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And it could go horribly bad.
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01:06:25,543 --> 01:06:28,746
Absolutely. And some of those stories, you know, he talked about that South Africa trip he
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did with you with the current that they had to deal with under
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water. And, you know, you've talked to me about those off recording
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01:06:36,532 --> 01:06:39,634
and it sounded pretty scary in certain situations. You have to
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know what you're doing. You have to be very aware of the risks and
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01:06:43,457 --> 01:06:46,959
and make sure that you put yourself in a safe position. And so
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it's interesting to hear these stories and some of the major challenges that
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people face. And like you said, you never know, too. You're paying a lot
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01:06:53,761 --> 01:06:57,263
of money to go to a place from halfway across the world to
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01:06:57,323 --> 01:07:00,604
shoot, and you have to get what you want in the shoot,
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but then the weather may not cooperate. And that might be a longer stay. It
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might be a shorter stay. You might not get the footage that you want.
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You may get the footage that you want, but it really just depends on what's
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available to you. and what the weather situation is
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Oh yeah, and as you said, we talked about one story that I was involved with them on
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where they kind of push it a little bit on what they're doing. And
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there's definitely that limit
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they're pushing to see if they can do it. And when
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I was out on that trip, we did have a pretty close call. And so
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yeah, and it can be pretty unforgiving when you're out in
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poor conditions and stuff. Really bad really
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quick. So I think it's a lot of insight though. And I think you know
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people I hope they enjoy the show they get a chance to hear some of the
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other side of like what's involved with some of these shows and
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You know, so I think it's I think just gives people a different perspective on
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And all of the people that interest in the whole shark world and stuff. So anyway,
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Absolutely. I'm sure they did and let us know what you thought if you can you
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can hit us up on Instagram Dave if they want to get ahold of you, how would they do so?
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Instagram, lostsharkguy on Instagram, lostsharks on
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01:08:14,236 --> 01:08:18,178
X, and lostsharks on Facebook. Best
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Perfect. And if you wanted to subscribe to our YouTube channel, you
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can just go to the link in the show notes. Our YouTube channel is
1040
01:08:25,463 --> 01:08:28,565
there. Subscribe, watch the videos, you get to see the
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01:08:28,605 --> 01:08:31,748
people, you get to see their expressions, you get to see our expressions. We have
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01:08:31,788 --> 01:08:34,950
a great time, as you all do when listening to the audio,
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you can listen to the video as well. But thank you again, Dave,
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and thank you, Johnny, for joining us on today's episode of
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the Beyond Jaws podcast. From Dave and I, we really want to thank you.
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This has been another Beyond Jaws episode. Have a great day. We'll talk
