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Welcome back to another episode of the
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Beyond Jaws podcast.
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On the podcast today,
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we are gonna be talking
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to videographer and
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documentary maker, Denise Sotomayor.
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She is going to be here to
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talk about her adventures
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in becoming a videographer
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for not only just sharks,
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but just for the ocean in general.
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She talks a lot about her first project,
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which is very unique
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and I wanna give it away.
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She talks about a whale shark project
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and she talks about a
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project that she's working
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with our very own Dr. David Ebert.
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So we're gonna talk
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about that on today's episode
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of the Beyond Jaws podcast.
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Let's start the show.
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Hey everybody, welcome back
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to another exciting episode
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of the Beyond Jaws podcast.
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I'm your co-host Andrew
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Lewin here with my co-host,
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Dr. David Ebert.
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Dave, are you ready to talk to Denise?
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Absolutely, I've been
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waiting for this episode
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for a while Andrew.
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We try to wanna have it kind of, I know.
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We wanna coincide this
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with the first episode
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of the Searching for Lost Sharks,
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the Extinct or Alive
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new documentary series
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that's just premiered
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on my YouTube channel
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and Lost Shark Guy.
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And I hope you'll go
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over there and check it out.
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But yeah, Denise has
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been doing the filming.
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This is a Save RC's
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foundation funded program.
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And Denise has been doing the filming
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the last couple of years.
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We spent the first year as you'll see,
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going to Ecuador and
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Peru to look for a lot,
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Ecuador's Lost Shark.
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And I don't wanna give
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away the punchline yet,
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but it's been an amazing experience.
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But Denise has, she has an
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interesting story to tell.
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Like I said, I kind of
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had me spend some time.
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I kind of knew it a little bit,
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but I think a lot of the
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listeners today will find it
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quite fascinating her journey.
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It wasn't like a lot of the people we
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have on here who just,
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from the time they're a kid,
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they know what they're gonna do.
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Denise really, it was a journey for her
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to get to where she is.
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And I really hope you enjoy it because it
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was fascinating story.
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It is. And Denise is so great to talk to.
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We always love talking to her and loved
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having her on the podcast
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and can't wait to have her again.
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But let's get to the interview, Dave.
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Here is Denise talking about her
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adventures in underwater filmography,
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as well as just
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telling really great stories
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and her long projects
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that she loves so much.
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So enjoy, and we'll talk to you after.
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Hey, Denise, welcome to
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the Beyond Jaws podcast.
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Are you ready to talk
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about filming sharks?
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Ready.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Very excited.
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Nice.
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We want to welcome her to another episode
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of the Beyond Jaws podcast
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where we have an outstanding independent
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journalist, underwater camera woman,
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and educator.
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Denise Sotomayor from Peru has documented
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scientific expeditions worldwide.
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She's deeply interested in sharks,
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artificial reefs, and Antarctica,
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a continent which is visited twice to
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cover Peru's scientific
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efforts on the continent.
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Her work has been exhibited in prominent
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museums throughout Peru.
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She's created an underwater photography
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exhibition at 15 meters depth
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and enjoys exploring informative formats
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to communicate about the ocean,
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such as video games, camera-less
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photography, which I
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don't know what that is,
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but I'm sure she'll tell
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us, and virtual reality.
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She's led educational exhibits in
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Minecraft, which currently exhibits
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at 360 degrees screens in
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several Latin American airports.
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And I've actually seen this and it's
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pretty amazing to see.
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And she also teaches nature photography
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at the University of Scientifica del Sur,
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integrating art and marine conservation.
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She worked on projects as a cameraman for
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national and international NGOs such as
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WWF and Oceana and among others.
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And she's wrote and directed an e-book
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featuring Peruvian women for nature that
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features 10 Peruvian women CEOs who
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preserve nature with their businesses.
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Over the past two years, she's been
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filming a new YouTube documentary series,
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"Searching for Lost
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Sharks, Extinct or Alive"
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that I actually wrote and produced with
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support from the Save
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Our Seas Foundation.
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And in that journey, we've been to five
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continents and over a dozen countries
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searching for and documenting poorly
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known shark species that may
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be vanishing before our eyes.
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And you'll be able to
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catch that on YouTube.
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Her currently, as I mentioned, she's a
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freelance journalist.
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She did her degree at the
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University of Lima in journalism.
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And with that introduction, Denise,
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welcome to the show.
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Hello, Dave.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much
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for this introduction.
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And hello, Andrew.
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Very happy to be with you.
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So it's been a long time coming.
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That's that's for sure.
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We've been wanting to have you on the
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show for quite some time.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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And so Denise, we ask all of our our
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guests kind of the same question to start
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off the interview is like, how did you
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get interested in the field of of diving
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underwater photography and sharks?
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Well, I think it was a process.
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My father is a
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commercial diver, actually.
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So he's I don't know, tools for working
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always was the fins, masks, wetsuits.
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have a very big boys to take out the
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wrecks and all the cool stuff that
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commercial divers do.
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And so that's how I get
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interested in the ocean.
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I think since the beginning
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of my life, I was related.
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Everything around me
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was around the ocean.
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I grew up also in the north of Peru in
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coastal city and very actually is a very
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important for fisheries.
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So a lot of community around fishing.
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And I think that's why when you are too
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close to something, you
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don't pay much attention to that.
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So that's why it takes me a little to
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realize that that's a
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work that I want to do.
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So I just follow the I didn't think that
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that was a diving was the thing that I
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want to do for living because I didn't
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know no one in that time, like, I don't
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know, like 15 years or 20 years ago.
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I didn't have any reference about the
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divers, photo filmmakers
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or photographers underwater.
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So I always associate
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diving for commercial diving.
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And for me, was fun, but they do very
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crazy things and dangerous and they
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sometimes they don't
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see what they are doing.
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thing that I dream to do.
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So, yeah, so when I finished college, I
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became a journalist always.
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I love the ocean.
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crimes for three years and then I
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realized I didn't like that.
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It to report that kind of things.
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So I quit in the newspaper
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that I was writing, actually.
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So that's why it was a
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long process in the newspaper.
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I realized I really like the photography
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because when I went as a reporter, I saw
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the photographers and I
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was like, this is a cool job.
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So they explain me a lot and I learned in
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the field about photojournalism.
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things that I was reporting.
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So I quit.
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I quit the newspaper and I start
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searching for stories that I really like
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to tell or to write or to take pictures.
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So my first story or long story because
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it took me a lot to get to that place was
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Antarctica and was in 2011.
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And I went to the minister of foreign
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affairs of my country.
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And that's a thing that I learned in
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journalism that you can call anyone in
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the government and make an appointment and tell that you can call anyone in the government and make an appointment and tell that you can call anyone in the government.
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And that's a thing that I learned in
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appointment and tell that
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you have something to say.
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So I called the
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minister of foreign affairs.
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I said I make the appointment, sent a
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letter, everything explain why they need
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a journalist in Antarctica because was
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important to to a spread the knowledge of
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science in polar science in Peru.
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And no one's know about that in Peru.
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So they they said, OK, no, any you're not
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in journalism wants to do that.
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So, OK, was not that easy, of course, to
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me, like one year and a lot of the
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meetings and because
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also I was very young.
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But at the end, I went and I did a good
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job and I did some exhibition in
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Metropolitan Museum in
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Lima and the Navy Museum.
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Some became a kind of
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popular job or good results.
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So I said, OK, so this is
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the thing that I want to do.
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I don't want to do quick
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stories like in journalism.
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I write two or three
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stories a day for crimes.
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So I want to take one year
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or two years or 16 years.
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I don't care to one story.
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I like the very long process.
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I like to meet my characters or
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understand the problem.
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So then I can understand where is the
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best way to to see it in a video game or
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in a or in YouTube or in
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a screen in the airport.
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So with that, they start
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paying attention to another story.
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And in the north of Peru, I hear
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underwater a painter that he paints and
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sell here in Canvas,
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his canvas on the beach.
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He said, I want to paint underwater.
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And I was what? How
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you are going to do that?
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So he told me, well, I'm I'm doing all
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these practice in like a fishing pool.
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How do you say like these things for
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fishes in your house?
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Yeah. So he have a he did a big one for
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his canvas and put the
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canvas for the salt water.
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So he started doing all the process for
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for the painting itself.
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How is gonna get in the
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canvas and go in the water?
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So I hear that story and I said, this is
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the story I want to to tell.
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So for that story, I
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have to be underwater, too.
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So that's why I said, okay, I when I was
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15, I did my first body life master, no
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body open water, the first
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degree of the open water.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I started the idea again because it
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was a lot of time ago and
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actually I didn't use it.
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Right.
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So I did it again. And I went to all a
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lot of brands to create the project or
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get the fundings to do
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this or to tell this story.
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So that's how I start.
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I put my cameras in the ocean.
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And when I saw that and or the feeling of
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shooting and get that instant with all
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the things that you have to think when
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you have all these scuba gear and the
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movement and the core and you cannot take
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and put like I will like this girl here.
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So you don't.
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So you don't.
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So my footage was
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terrible because my stability.
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I was very excited.
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So when you put air in your
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lungs, you go up and you go down.
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So if you're excited, you are like this
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and your video is like this.
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So you can focus.
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So but even all the result of this first
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experience was terrible.
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That feeling was so
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amazing that I was OK.
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So this is a thing that I like to do.
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The stories that I really like are
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underwater and there are
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long stories sometimes takes me.
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I don't know.
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But I don't like the short report.
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Right.
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Right.
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I sometimes if I have to do it and it's a
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work, of course, I can do it.
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But the things that I like is to take the
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time for that story.
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Yeah.
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So this underwater photographer painter
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actually show me my career.
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So his dream show me my path.
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So this is so this is literally just a
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guy on the beach painting who wanted to
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paint underwater that inspired you.
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That's yeah, go ahead.
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That's amazing because he was 46 or 47
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years old when I met him and he was
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dreaming with that since he was six
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because he was he is the
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son of a very important
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fisherman in the north of Peru.
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The father already died with his very
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well-known because it was a
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very good as per fisherman.
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So everyone knows him.
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So his father takes the groupers or the
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fishes to the house and Pasquale the
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painter he painted and his father tell
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him always the colors of the grouper are
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not is there is not like Brown like you
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are saying now when he's
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underwater is another colors.
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So he think in that moment.
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I want to take my colors underwater to
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see a color something that's the
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connection that he did when he was six
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and he was dreaming with that 40 years
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until he just say it to some and someone
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here not only here you pay attention
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really be a decision and said like this.
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This is do you still
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keep in touch with them.
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You still keep on actually yes, he wants
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to act the way he's Guinness record now
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painting 10 meters canvas and the water
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he wants to record
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that of course I love it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
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needs to get the fund is now.
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Yeah, I was going to ask you know the the
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you mentioned the being you went and got
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the funding for it to do that but this is
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your first time doing it how.
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One how did you where did you find the
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funding and then also like how did you
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know what how much everything was going
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to cost since it was your first time.
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01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:52,833
Well, very good questions first.
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01:16:53,208 --> 01:16:55,625
Well, actually was not not the first one
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because the first a project where I need
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that get the funnies was
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Antarctica and because I did this.
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Oh, right.
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The museums.
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Right.
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So for those I get this training of how
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to get and actually is like you just go
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or write an email not one probably 100
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and then some other.
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I'm one one answer you and
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then you just keep going.
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And so I have the experience of
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Antarctica but Antarctica was very I
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already get the footage
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when I get to the brand.
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So the brands was okay
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this school and was easier.
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The second part this painter actually he
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didn't know how to dive.
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So we we start. Yeah, we have to do
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everything since the beginning.
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I was crazy.
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01:17:54,333 --> 01:17:58,750
I don't know how I get involved in that
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very big project because cost a lot like
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we don't have any money.
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01:18:05,208 --> 01:18:07,583
So in a way, you know, it's interesting
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01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:09,791
that because you said you initially got
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certified when you're 15
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but you never really dove.
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01:18:14,250 --> 01:18:16,375
And how long was it before you went back
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to do your recertification and started to
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really take this on as a passion?
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How many was a time difference?
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How many years later?
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I think what I think was
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around 10 years and years.
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I was 25.
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Yeah, that's when I came back to water
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and that and that that and that's that's
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pretty it's that's pretty interesting
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01:18:37,875 --> 01:18:39,041
because most a lot of the people we
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01:18:39,041 --> 01:18:40,625
interview they get when they're really
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01:18:40,625 --> 01:18:41,666
young they start into it.
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01:18:41,708 --> 01:18:44,666
But but with you is more of a process and
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01:18:44,666 --> 01:18:46,541
the thing is because your dad was diving
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and because he was commercial diving.
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You're like, I don't really want to dive
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in all that black water
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where they can't see anything.
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01:18:52,166 --> 01:18:54,333
He was think that was what kind of that
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01:18:54,333 --> 01:18:55,583
really turned you off to
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01:18:55,583 --> 01:18:58,083
get to doing the diving.
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01:18:59,208 --> 01:19:02,875
Yes, and actually because I didn't and
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because I didn't know in that times we
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didn't have a GoPro or something.
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01:19:07,708 --> 01:19:11,000
And my father tried to explain me, but I
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01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,375
actually didn't understand his work.
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And now if I I don't know if I have some
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more time or whatever in between
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filmmaking, I would like
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to to do some commercial.
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I think it's amazing.
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01:19:29,208 --> 01:19:32,083
It's just like you have to go invest a
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lot of money and time
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and they get to that.
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So I don't know if I want
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to just turn in that path.
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But I think it's amazing.
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But yeah, he tried to explain me and what
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he's trying to explain was not enough for
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me to say, okay, I want to do that.
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And yeah, and actually I did my my open
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water at 15, but I did some trainings or
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some diving with my father.
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Right.
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01:20:07,708 --> 01:20:08,791
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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01:20:08,791 --> 01:20:09,666
We have a compressor
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and tanks in my house.
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01:20:11,916 --> 01:20:13,833
So we want.
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Yeah.
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01:20:14,958 --> 01:20:15,125
Yeah.
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01:20:15,333 --> 01:20:17,708
So you got you got really inspired
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01:20:17,708 --> 01:20:19,625
because of this painter you met on the
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beach that you're still
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01:20:20,625 --> 01:20:22,666
friends with and and you cook off.
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01:20:22,708 --> 01:20:24,875
And I've seen I've seen some of your
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underwater stuff and it's if you haven't
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01:20:26,791 --> 01:20:28,291
had a chance, we'll post a thing.
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01:20:28,291 --> 01:20:29,083
We go check out some
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of her Instagram stuff.
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01:20:30,041 --> 01:20:31,041
She has amazing underwater.
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01:20:31,208 --> 01:20:31,958
Yeah, it's amazing.
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01:20:31,958 --> 01:20:32,875
Looking at it right now.
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01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:34,125
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
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01:20:34,125 --> 01:20:35,375
It's pretty amazing stuff.
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01:20:36,708 --> 01:20:38,125
So as you got it, you start getting into
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the sort of the marine once you got into
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the the the diving, you're doing your
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journalism, your videography.
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01:20:43,708 --> 01:20:46,166
And they're probably I guess they're
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01:20:46,166 --> 01:20:48,333
probably not too many women in Peru who
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do underwater photography.
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01:20:50,208 --> 01:20:52,000
Or am I wrong about that?
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01:20:54,041 --> 01:20:56,125
Yeah, I think we are.
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I'm one of the first ones.
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Some people said like I'm kind of one of
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the first photographers.
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01:21:05,666 --> 01:21:06,791
I know one big river.
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01:21:08,208 --> 01:21:10,083
How long are you going to be?
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Oh, probably another hour.
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01:21:12,416 --> 01:21:12,625
Okay.
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01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:18,125
Sorry, my dad.
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01:21:18,125 --> 01:21:19,166
My dad came in.
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01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:20,166
Yeah.
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01:21:20,208 --> 01:21:21,958
Anyway, sorry.
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01:21:22,083 --> 01:21:22,291
It's okay.
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01:21:22,625 --> 01:21:22,833
Okay.
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01:21:22,958 --> 01:21:23,166
Sorry.
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01:21:23,250 --> 01:21:23,458
In a minute.
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01:21:23,625 --> 01:21:25,708
Perhaps you could start
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01:21:25,708 --> 01:21:27,750
starting again about that.
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01:21:28,041 --> 01:21:28,250
I'm sorry.
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01:21:29,125 --> 01:21:29,291
Yeah.
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01:21:29,375 --> 01:21:29,833
Being underwater.
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01:21:30,208 --> 01:21:30,625
Yeah, go ahead.
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01:21:31,041 --> 01:21:31,250
Yeah.
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01:21:31,958 --> 01:21:32,250
Yeah.
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01:21:32,625 --> 01:21:35,291
Well, about the girls
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01:21:35,291 --> 01:21:36,625
under water in Peru.
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01:21:37,708 --> 01:21:42,250
Yes, I think I'm one of the first ones.
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01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:44,458
Yeah, females
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01:21:44,458 --> 01:21:46,333
underwater photographers in Peru.
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01:22:08,166 --> 01:22:13,000
Yeah, yes. So imagine like the family of school was
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01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,166
very, very few people, very little.
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01:22:17,833 --> 01:22:21,750
So when I start taking these pictures and
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01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:23,791
sharing it, a lot of
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01:22:23,791 --> 01:22:26,583
people get surprised about that.
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01:22:27,291 --> 01:22:31,625
So I think that was something that the
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01:22:31,625 --> 01:22:34,125
people that start following me because
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01:22:34,125 --> 01:22:36,500
I'm showing a part of Peru
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01:22:36,708 --> 01:22:39,750
that they not see very often.
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01:22:41,708 --> 01:22:42,625
So, yeah.
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01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:47,250
So now there are a lot of not a lot, but
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01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:50,083
we are more females underwater.
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01:22:51,166 --> 01:22:51,375
Yes.
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01:22:51,416 --> 01:22:54,250
And I did some workshops for that too,
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01:22:54,250 --> 01:22:57,416
with that intention to certificate some
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01:22:57,416 --> 01:22:58,541
underwater photographers
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01:22:59,208 --> 01:23:03,166
because we need more eyes under the sea.
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01:23:04,208 --> 01:23:07,208
What time did you start to get more take
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01:23:07,208 --> 01:23:08,625
more of a conservation
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01:23:08,625 --> 01:23:11,125
interest in your work?
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01:23:13,791 --> 01:23:15,666
I think the conservation starts in
560
01:23:15,666 --> 01:23:20,541
Antarctica because the first time that I
561
01:23:20,541 --> 01:23:24,458
went there because you can realize in
562
01:23:24,458 --> 01:23:26,750
that time also we didn't
563
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:29,666
have enough social media.
564
01:23:30,708 --> 01:23:32,208
Instagram was just in
565
01:23:32,208 --> 01:23:34,708
the beginning was 2011.
566
01:23:36,208 --> 01:23:39,166
No tourism there and
567
01:23:39,166 --> 01:23:41,333
was very pristine place.
568
01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:46,333
And so I guess and it was the first time
569
01:23:46,333 --> 01:23:48,250
that I have I been in a
570
01:23:48,250 --> 01:23:49,708
scientific expedition.
571
01:23:50,458 --> 01:23:52,500
So the things that they were talking
572
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:54,833
around is that I
573
01:23:54,833 --> 01:23:56,166
started learning a lot of.
574
01:23:56,208 --> 01:24:02,208
Okay. So this is not a report.
575
01:24:02,208 --> 01:24:05,708
Only a report is an opportunity also to
576
01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:09,458
show the people what's happening about
577
01:24:09,458 --> 01:24:14,750
the in climate about the ocean or just to
578
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:18,416
know what's happening in Antarctica and
579
01:24:18,416 --> 01:24:21,666
animals or so I think I start there.
580
01:24:22,708 --> 01:24:29,958
And in I start growing in conservation in
581
01:24:29,958 --> 01:24:35,541
every story and also because now I think
582
01:24:35,541 --> 01:24:38,166
is kind of trendy and it's good to be
583
01:24:38,166 --> 01:24:39,916
trendy the conservation.
584
01:24:40,500 --> 01:24:43,166
So now more people is talking about about
585
01:24:43,166 --> 01:24:45,375
that and trying to
586
01:24:45,375 --> 01:24:46,166
tell stories around that.
587
01:24:47,208 --> 01:24:50,375
So I know I try to pick
588
01:24:50,375 --> 01:24:53,000
that that type of stories to.
589
01:24:54,666 --> 01:24:58,375
Why what makes you want to do those types
590
01:24:58,375 --> 01:25:00,000
of stories the conservation stories like
591
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,125
what makes you want to tell
592
01:25:01,125 --> 01:25:02,291
those stories as a journalist.
593
01:25:04,541 --> 01:25:08,250
I think because it's a kind of hope
594
01:25:08,250 --> 01:25:14,666
probably is I'm taking a picture and I
595
01:25:14,666 --> 01:25:16,958
really know that this picture is not
596
01:25:16,958 --> 01:25:18,166
going to save the planet.
597
01:25:19,166 --> 01:25:21,833
So I need something
598
01:25:21,833 --> 01:25:23,166
around around this picture.
599
01:25:23,208 --> 01:25:28,708
I need information. I need science. I
600
01:25:28,708 --> 01:25:36,583
need. So I think this when your projects
601
01:25:36,583 --> 01:25:40,166
are complex also is you
602
01:25:40,166 --> 01:25:41,416
learn a lot in the process.
603
01:25:41,708 --> 01:25:46,000
And that's the thing that I always try to
604
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
to to pay attention in the story.
605
01:25:49,208 --> 01:25:51,125
I'm going to pick if I'm going to what
606
01:25:51,125 --> 01:25:54,500
I'm going to learn here. If I'm going to
607
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:56,166
learn a lot, this already paid.
608
01:25:57,208 --> 01:26:01,583
So is what I'm going to learn here and
609
01:26:01,583 --> 01:26:03,375
also what I'm going to
610
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,125
bring when he's published.
611
01:26:05,625 --> 01:26:12,000
Someone is going to read it and think in
612
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,750
hope in in possibility
613
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:18,916
to a do the things better.
614
01:26:19,208 --> 01:26:25,625
So that's why also I tried not to to talk
615
01:26:25,625 --> 01:26:28,625
about bad stories, not bad stories.
616
01:26:29,208 --> 01:26:33,125
We can talk about sharks and we don't
617
01:26:33,125 --> 01:26:37,166
have to talk about it.
618
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,416
We have a lot of I don't know how to
619
01:26:40,416 --> 01:26:43,500
explain this in the right way, but you
620
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,541
have a lot of options
621
01:26:45,541 --> 01:26:46,666
to talk about sharks.
622
01:26:46,708 --> 01:26:53,458
And one of them is all the blood, all the
623
01:26:53,458 --> 01:26:56,750
fishing, overfishing.
624
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,083
And this is a and this is a very
625
01:27:00,083 --> 01:27:03,416
important part to tell also.
626
01:27:04,041 --> 01:27:07,875
But you have another way to talk about
627
01:27:07,875 --> 01:27:09,625
sharks. And I think it's important to
628
01:27:09,625 --> 01:27:11,000
explore another ways,
629
01:27:11,416 --> 01:27:15,125
not only the impact things.
630
01:27:16,208 --> 01:27:20,791
Because, for example, for lost shark is
631
01:27:20,791 --> 01:27:25,541
amazing to search for sharks that they
632
01:27:25,541 --> 01:27:27,791
are that most of people can see their
633
01:27:27,791 --> 01:27:29,708
extinct or they are
634
01:27:29,708 --> 01:27:32,666
and and that's a story.
635
01:27:32,708 --> 01:27:34,708
And that's amazing story to talk about
636
01:27:34,708 --> 01:27:37,375
shark conservation, what is important.
637
01:27:38,125 --> 01:27:41,375
And I'm not seeing a lot
638
01:27:41,375 --> 01:27:44,083
of blood and bad things.
639
01:27:45,416 --> 01:27:46,333
I don't know. I don't
640
01:27:46,333 --> 01:27:48,833
want to. It sounds bad.
641
01:27:49,083 --> 01:27:50,000
No, it's not. I don't know.
642
01:27:50,708 --> 01:27:53,291
Like that's important to
643
01:27:53,291 --> 01:27:55,291
see also that kind of picture.
644
01:27:56,416 --> 01:28:00,041
But I think that's not the only way to
645
01:28:00,041 --> 01:28:01,583
get closer to the people.
646
01:28:02,375 --> 01:28:05,708
And I think if you have more different
647
01:28:05,708 --> 01:28:09,291
ways to tell about the same subject
648
01:28:09,291 --> 01:28:14,625
sharks, you can get in different ages
649
01:28:14,625 --> 01:28:18,291
also or interest people.
650
01:28:19,458 --> 01:28:21,041
Well, I think I think I think too is that
651
01:28:21,041 --> 01:28:24,083
with the and you've certainly I know that
652
01:28:24,083 --> 01:28:25,958
we'll talk a little more in a few minutes
653
01:28:25,958 --> 01:28:27,875
about about the last sharks program.
654
01:28:27,875 --> 01:28:30,250
But you really get the feel for the
655
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:33,083
places just we've been to that the
656
01:28:33,083 --> 01:28:34,500
communities and a lot of those places,
657
01:28:34,500 --> 01:28:36,500
how important food security is.
658
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,625
And if all they're catching are certain
659
01:28:38,625 --> 01:28:40,166
shark species, that's about all.
660
01:28:40,208 --> 01:28:41,625
I mean, they don't catch
661
01:28:41,625 --> 01:28:42,666
anything they don't eat.
662
01:28:42,666 --> 01:28:44,958
And so there it's it's a really it seems
663
01:28:44,958 --> 01:28:46,166
like it's a real delicate.
664
01:28:46,166 --> 01:28:47,958
Well, it is. It's a real delicate balance
665
01:28:47,958 --> 01:28:51,000
between food security and then a
666
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,416
conservation thing that I obviously
667
01:28:53,416 --> 01:28:55,041
that's part of the story
668
01:28:55,041 --> 01:28:57,041
being able to capture that.
669
01:28:57,041 --> 01:29:00,125
Have you have you did you have much
670
01:29:00,125 --> 01:29:02,083
experience with that before and some of
671
01:29:02,083 --> 01:29:04,125
the some of the projects you've worked on
672
01:29:04,125 --> 01:29:07,625
about the food security?
673
01:29:08,708 --> 01:29:10,291
But yeah, yeah, but with some of these
674
01:29:10,291 --> 01:29:11,750
small with some of the small communities
675
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:15,208
where we're food security is an issue and
676
01:29:15,208 --> 01:29:16,041
then you've got certain
677
01:29:16,041 --> 01:29:17,750
conservation concerns.
678
01:29:19,375 --> 01:29:23,291
Well, I from Peru that we have I think
679
01:29:23,291 --> 01:29:27,625
that it's a problem like when we were in
680
01:29:27,625 --> 01:29:30,500
Indonesia that they have a lot of the one
681
01:29:30,500 --> 01:29:32,708
of the biggest or I think the biggest
682
01:29:32,708 --> 01:29:35,791
shark fishing in the world.
683
01:29:36,250 --> 01:29:41,541
And but in Peru, we have the same and one
684
01:29:41,541 --> 01:29:45,500
of the things is what they just said is
685
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:48,333
they need to eat and they are not
686
01:29:48,333 --> 01:29:51,916
thinking in I'm going to
687
01:29:51,916 --> 01:29:53,916
take care of the shark.
688
01:29:54,125 --> 01:30:00,625
I need to eat whatever. Yeah. So I work a
689
01:30:00,625 --> 01:30:04,250
lot in fishing communities.
690
01:30:06,208 --> 01:30:26,625
So I work a lot in fishing communities.
691
01:30:26,875 --> 01:30:33,666
So I work a lot in fishing communities.
692
01:30:33,708 --> 01:30:38,208
subject that you can create a healthy
693
01:30:38,208 --> 01:30:42,291
spaces, nest and hiding places for
694
01:30:42,291 --> 01:30:46,916
predators to get a healthy place and then
695
01:30:46,916 --> 01:30:49,583
the fishes goes to the reef more
696
01:30:49,583 --> 01:30:52,791
near to the coast and the fishermen can
697
01:30:52,791 --> 01:30:55,041
get the fishes and everyone is happy.
698
01:30:55,583 --> 01:31:00,916
So I think that food security is involved
699
01:31:00,916 --> 01:31:04,166
in most of the ocean
700
01:31:04,166 --> 01:31:08,000
projects that I'm working. How do you
701
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,875
feel about some of the, I know some of
702
01:31:09,875 --> 01:31:11,250
your exhibits like I know the one that's
703
01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:13,041
been it's been some of the airports
704
01:31:13,083 --> 01:31:15,375
around and some of your other exhibits
705
01:31:15,375 --> 01:31:17,250
have been shown around how do you, well
706
01:31:17,500 --> 01:31:18,708
first of all can you talk a little bit
707
01:31:18,708 --> 01:31:20,250
about those then how do you feel about
708
01:31:20,250 --> 01:31:22,750
being able to like convey that message to
709
01:31:22,750 --> 01:31:24,375
a large number of people because
710
01:31:24,416 --> 01:31:25,833
people are always going through airports
711
01:31:25,833 --> 01:31:32,833
for example. Yeah that was an
712
01:31:32,833 --> 01:31:35,500
amazing journey and still an amazing
713
01:31:35,500 --> 01:31:37,625
journey will be two years in ten
714
01:31:37,625 --> 01:31:41,083
airports around Latin America. We started
715
01:31:41,083 --> 01:31:45,416
in Colombia in El Dorado the
716
01:31:45,416 --> 01:31:50,291
international airport and in when was the
717
01:31:50,291 --> 01:31:56,125
COP 16 was in October last year so the
718
01:31:56,458 --> 01:32:01,583
these screens were in the airport and was
719
01:32:01,583 --> 01:32:05,708
a screens for eight meters long I
720
01:32:05,708 --> 01:32:08,333
didn't see it that's a thing that I
721
01:32:08,333 --> 01:32:10,291
really want to see it and now I'm
722
01:32:10,333 --> 01:32:14,125
living in Mexico and I know one of the
723
01:32:14,125 --> 01:32:17,666
the next screens will be in Mexico so I
724
01:32:17,666 --> 01:32:20,333
hope I can see it I can fly just to see
725
01:32:20,333 --> 01:32:25,291
my work. A lot of people who went to the
726
01:32:25,291 --> 01:32:29,041
COP and went to Colombia send me the
727
01:32:29,041 --> 01:32:32,291
pictures and was amazing because also
728
01:32:32,291 --> 01:32:35,875
connect me with people a friend from high
729
01:32:35,875 --> 01:32:37,750
school that I didn't see here for
730
01:32:37,791 --> 01:32:41,083
a very long time send me I just see like
731
01:32:41,083 --> 01:32:44,625
I saw your work in the airport and
732
01:32:44,625 --> 01:32:48,041
send me a picture and was like that's
733
01:32:48,041 --> 01:32:51,416
amazing I think that yeah that things
734
01:32:52,250 --> 01:32:57,291
are very like full you know or feel your
735
01:32:57,291 --> 01:32:59,833
soul and your heart right like when
736
01:32:59,833 --> 01:33:04,041
your work is in public places is very
737
01:33:04,041 --> 01:33:07,583
cool too. How did you how did you get the
738
01:33:07,625 --> 01:33:10,500
connection there to be able to do that go
739
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:12,208
to the airport exhibits how that that
740
01:33:12,208 --> 01:33:14,166
was pretty impressive like how did how
741
01:33:14,166 --> 01:33:16,250
did you get that kind of
742
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:17,416
connection? I send an email.
743
01:33:18,500 --> 01:33:28,000
Send an email. Yes, I literally saw it on
744
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,791
Instagram I said I really
745
01:33:29,791 --> 01:33:32,041
like it and I think my work and
746
01:33:32,083 --> 01:33:37,416
work very good here and I sent an email
747
01:33:37,416 --> 01:33:39,666
and they said yes and
748
01:33:39,666 --> 01:33:44,125
actually was super cool because was a
749
01:33:44,125 --> 01:33:49,833
like a no-paid situation how do you say
750
01:33:49,833 --> 01:33:53,125
like a interchange and they
751
01:33:53,125 --> 01:33:55,875
do it like all the 3D things
752
01:33:55,958 --> 01:33:58,083
for free and give me the experience for
753
01:33:58,083 --> 01:34:00,625
free and I did I bring my work for free
754
01:34:00,625 --> 01:34:05,041
but then like NGO was
755
01:34:05,041 --> 01:34:13,625
interest in feature the logo there so we
756
01:34:13,625 --> 01:34:15,333
need to ask how much they
757
01:34:15,333 --> 01:34:18,875
charge me for that and was a
758
01:34:19,208 --> 01:34:25,625
$350,000 to be there and I was okay so I
759
01:34:25,625 --> 01:34:27,875
didn't make the money but I'm
760
01:34:27,875 --> 01:34:33,000
in a place that goes like that
761
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:37,708
and so that things that you never if you
762
01:34:37,708 --> 01:34:40,541
think that you have to pay it or get the
763
01:34:40,541 --> 01:34:42,208
funding maybe that's not the way
764
01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:46,291
that's the longest way maybe I didn't
765
01:34:46,291 --> 01:34:49,041
know that probably if I knew that that's
766
01:34:49,041 --> 01:34:50,541
the thing that maybe it
767
01:34:50,541 --> 01:34:53,541
scares you too right as a
768
01:34:53,541 --> 01:34:56,708
yeah as a dreamer or whatever like you
769
01:34:56,708 --> 01:34:57,916
have that dream and they
770
01:34:57,916 --> 01:34:59,208
tell you yeah but this is cost
771
01:35:00,166 --> 01:35:02,875
almost half a million and you say no I'm
772
01:35:02,875 --> 01:35:03,791
not gonna send the
773
01:35:03,791 --> 01:35:05,750
email but please send it
774
01:35:06,750 --> 01:35:09,125
yeah you just never know you never know
775
01:35:09,125 --> 01:35:12,125
yes exactly and they were amazing and
776
01:35:12,125 --> 01:35:14,583
they want to do more things and they want
777
01:35:14,583 --> 01:35:16,500
to put sharks also I want to
778
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,166
also start working with more underwater
779
01:35:20,166 --> 01:35:24,000
things for them that the footage are
780
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,666
showing it is from Antarctica
781
01:35:26,958 --> 01:35:30,333
so I'm trying to bring Antarctica to
782
01:35:30,333 --> 01:35:32,708
latino america because we are very near
783
01:35:32,708 --> 01:35:36,125
we do a lot of science there and in our
784
01:35:36,125 --> 01:35:38,458
region is not well
785
01:35:38,458 --> 01:35:40,791
know the polar science so
786
01:35:41,833 --> 01:35:44,000
yeah you didn't know last year being in a
787
01:35:44,583 --> 01:35:48,500
yo go ahead I'm sorry no it's just like
788
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:51,750
being in a public place or an airport
789
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:53,041
give you a possibility
790
01:35:53,333 --> 01:35:56,250
that people don't go to see it it's just
791
01:35:56,250 --> 01:35:57,666
like they are doing
792
01:35:57,666 --> 01:36:00,750
something and the artist going to you
793
01:36:00,833 --> 01:36:04,625
right like uh so you don't have to go to
794
01:36:04,625 --> 01:36:06,916
the museum or specific places it's just
795
01:36:06,916 --> 01:36:09,000
you are walking and the information is
796
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,583
just as you and if you are paying
797
01:36:12,583 --> 01:36:13,625
attention you get it
798
01:36:14,583 --> 01:36:18,000
you know you spent last year you were you
799
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,083
did like what a three-month cruise to
800
01:36:20,083 --> 01:36:20,916
antarctica that was
801
01:36:20,916 --> 01:36:22,208
your second trip last year
802
01:36:23,458 --> 01:36:26,708
and you were yes working doing stuff for
803
01:36:26,708 --> 01:36:29,625
the peruvian navy was it
804
01:36:29,875 --> 01:36:33,458
uh yes that the first expedition was with
805
01:36:33,458 --> 01:36:34,708
the minister of foreign
806
01:36:34,708 --> 01:36:36,416
affairs and i stayed three
807
01:36:36,458 --> 01:36:39,916
months in the scientific station the name
808
01:36:39,916 --> 01:36:44,250
is macho pichu and the ten
809
01:36:44,250 --> 01:36:50,500
years um after uh i went with the
810
01:36:50,916 --> 01:36:54,708
vessel the oceanography vessel from the
811
01:36:54,708 --> 01:36:57,375
navy that is all
812
01:36:57,375 --> 01:37:00,625
implemented for science and i stay
813
01:37:01,625 --> 01:37:05,208
on board for the 90 days for three months
814
01:37:05,208 --> 01:37:07,958
uh there wow wow was a
815
01:37:07,958 --> 01:37:11,125
lot to be in the in a boat
816
01:37:11,125 --> 01:37:15,833
it's a lot of time it was amazing but
817
01:37:15,833 --> 01:37:18,208
yeah very challenging in some
818
01:37:18,208 --> 01:37:20,458
parts too yeah yeah for sure
819
01:37:20,458 --> 01:37:22,333
i mean three months that's a long time
820
01:37:22,333 --> 01:37:24,625
that's a long time and not good
821
01:37:24,625 --> 01:37:27,833
connection right i don't know
822
01:37:27,875 --> 01:37:31,458
how i did it the first time because we
823
01:37:31,458 --> 01:37:33,125
did twice yes the first
824
01:37:33,125 --> 01:37:35,625
time was in 2011 right
825
01:37:36,333 --> 01:37:38,833
three months in the on land in the machu
826
01:37:38,833 --> 01:37:41,416
Picchu station oh yeah and
827
01:37:41,416 --> 01:37:44,583
ten years after was uh on the
828
01:37:44,583 --> 01:37:47,291
vessel on the oceanographic vessel three
829
01:37:47,291 --> 01:37:50,625
months and so the first time was no
830
01:37:50,625 --> 01:37:53,125
internet uh of course
831
01:37:53,125 --> 01:37:55,208
we don't have anything i have to bring a
832
01:37:55,208 --> 01:37:58,916
usb to the poland station the this
833
01:37:58,916 --> 01:38:01,250
artoski and so every
834
01:38:01,250 --> 01:38:04,000
time that something happened like we need
835
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,708
uh some something from
836
01:38:06,708 --> 01:38:09,958
poland that is near the station
837
01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:14,791
well and brazil so i sent the usb to a
838
01:38:14,791 --> 01:38:16,666
communication guy and the communication
839
01:38:16,666 --> 01:38:18,166
guy sent it to an email
840
01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:21,250
and he called me a radio and tell me i
841
01:38:21,250 --> 01:38:23,458
already sent your email to the new paper
842
01:38:23,458 --> 01:38:30,625
so that was all and ten years after i
843
01:38:30,625 --> 01:38:32,708
couldn't send an email and i get
844
01:38:33,291 --> 01:38:37,375
stressed and we didn't have good internet
845
01:38:37,375 --> 01:38:41,833
in some points but we have so was
846
01:38:41,833 --> 01:38:43,916
different things also i
847
01:38:44,041 --> 01:38:48,083
have a room for myself in this
848
01:38:48,083 --> 01:38:51,291
explanation that this luxury is the best
849
01:38:51,291 --> 01:38:52,500
things that you can have
850
01:38:52,958 --> 01:38:56,375
in antarctica or in a place for working
851
01:38:56,375 --> 01:38:58,083
for three months with 100
852
01:38:58,083 --> 01:39:02,708
people so your private place is
853
01:39:03,541 --> 01:39:10,708
gold so and in the first time uh 10 years
854
01:39:10,708 --> 01:39:12,958
ago i went and i shared
855
01:39:12,958 --> 01:39:15,625
room for with we only went
856
01:39:15,625 --> 01:39:18,500
like three girls so we were in the one
857
01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:22,625
room yeah but also now there are more
858
01:39:22,625 --> 01:39:24,708
girls so in the station
859
01:39:25,083 --> 01:39:28,791
they share is one bathroom for all the
860
01:39:28,791 --> 01:39:31,250
girls and one bathroom for all the boys
861
01:39:31,250 --> 01:39:33,166
okay it's kind of a mess
862
01:39:33,416 --> 01:39:38,708
and so yeah so when i went there and i
863
01:39:38,708 --> 01:39:41,791
saw that i was like how i did that i was
864
01:39:41,791 --> 01:39:44,125
young yeah that's it
865
01:39:44,125 --> 01:39:48,416
you were young that's uh yeah yeah so
866
01:39:48,416 --> 01:39:50,375
another another project
867
01:39:50,375 --> 01:39:51,750
you've been working on this was
868
01:39:52,041 --> 01:39:53,250
with national geographic
869
01:39:53,250 --> 01:39:57,041
on on whale sharks on peru
870
01:39:57,041 --> 01:40:01,083
your is yes it's not with nadir national
871
01:40:01,083 --> 01:40:03,625
uraphic but the director of
872
01:40:03,625 --> 01:40:06,291
the film of the film she is
873
01:40:06,291 --> 01:40:10,375
a nadir explorer okay okay okay okay yeah
874
01:40:10,375 --> 01:40:13,458
so she is that she but it's
875
01:40:13,458 --> 01:40:15,541
not enough it's not a national
876
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:23,000
okay no now we won uh sand dance um sand
877
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,458
dance funding uh sundance
878
01:40:25,458 --> 01:40:28,166
funding yes sandbox is the
879
01:40:28,166 --> 01:40:33,708
name of sand box okay uh-huh and then we
880
01:40:33,708 --> 01:40:36,625
won a co-production now with the
881
01:40:36,666 --> 01:40:41,625
uh canarias government in spain so we
882
01:40:41,625 --> 01:40:44,583
have uh now some
883
01:40:44,583 --> 01:40:47,375
fundings but yeah yeah that
884
01:40:47,375 --> 01:40:50,083
project is amazing because we start four
885
01:40:50,083 --> 01:40:53,416
years ago in well we are
886
01:40:53,416 --> 01:40:55,333
ready three years recording
887
01:40:55,958 --> 01:40:59,166
in peru at the north of peru we have
888
01:40:59,166 --> 01:41:01,250
whale sharks aggregation
889
01:41:01,250 --> 01:41:03,833
of whale sharks and this
890
01:41:03,958 --> 01:41:07,125
story is about yeah so no good no good
891
01:41:07,125 --> 01:41:09,416
yes say tell set the story
892
01:41:09,416 --> 01:41:10,541
up for everybody what what
893
01:41:10,541 --> 01:41:13,416
your what your this project yeah the
894
01:41:13,416 --> 01:41:17,375
story is about um an a
895
01:41:17,375 --> 01:41:19,583
fisher engineer how do you say in
896
01:41:19,583 --> 01:41:22,375
canada percura engineer for fishing
897
01:41:22,375 --> 01:41:27,041
engineer yes machine yeah yeah yeah how
898
01:41:27,041 --> 01:41:28,416
he's an engineer but
899
01:41:28,416 --> 01:41:34,500
for fisheries okay okay well well she's a
900
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:35,458
scientist is not
901
01:41:35,458 --> 01:41:37,791
marine biologist she's uh
902
01:41:37,875 --> 01:41:43,333
in canada pescera and she uh worked with
903
01:41:43,333 --> 01:41:44,458
whale sharks at the
904
01:41:44,458 --> 01:41:47,625
north of peru um um um
905
01:41:48,041 --> 01:41:53,375
um a kit start helping her to do her
906
01:41:53,375 --> 01:41:58,083
research um so now this kit is
907
01:41:58,083 --> 01:42:00,791
already 14 years old we start
908
01:42:00,791 --> 01:42:05,166
recording when he was 11 and he start
909
01:42:05,166 --> 01:42:08,125
going to swim with the whale
910
01:42:08,125 --> 01:42:11,416
sharks and help a a lejandra
911
01:42:12,125 --> 01:42:19,791
and he start um growing in this filming
912
01:42:19,791 --> 01:42:23,291
and also we as a team as a
913
01:42:23,291 --> 01:42:25,166
documentary team also we start
914
01:42:25,166 --> 01:42:27,750
growing because we start with no fundings
915
01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:29,666
and then we start like
916
01:42:29,666 --> 01:42:33,666
growing um also our cameras are
917
01:42:33,708 --> 01:42:39,166
growing um so the interesting thing that
918
01:42:39,166 --> 01:42:40,666
the director also is
919
01:42:40,666 --> 01:42:43,750
trying to show in her film is
920
01:42:43,791 --> 01:42:47,541
the progress that this kit do in the same
921
01:42:47,541 --> 01:42:50,083
that the image start a
922
01:42:50,083 --> 01:42:54,583
progress or being different
923
01:42:55,625 --> 01:43:01,500
uh so we went uh already three years we
924
01:43:01,500 --> 01:43:06,541
go every year one month in november to to
925
01:43:06,541 --> 01:43:09,500
peru to the north of peru and we stay in
926
01:43:09,958 --> 01:43:14,041
in a house and go every time to see the
927
01:43:14,041 --> 01:43:17,375
whale sharks last year we talk well we
928
01:43:17,375 --> 01:43:18,625
know i'm not i didn't
929
01:43:18,666 --> 01:43:22,166
talk any but they talk uh you filled them
930
01:43:22,166 --> 01:43:24,875
tags yes i feel the time
931
01:43:24,875 --> 01:43:29,625
and film the time is very uh
932
01:43:30,416 --> 01:43:33,500
is it's fast i was impressed when i did
933
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:35,583
you you didn't know i think
934
01:43:35,583 --> 01:43:36,750
when you are in the action
935
01:43:37,083 --> 01:43:39,833
but then when i download my information
936
01:43:39,833 --> 01:43:42,333
my clips were one minute one
937
01:43:42,333 --> 01:43:45,166
no twenty one and since i was
938
01:43:45,291 --> 01:43:50,166
in the boat so it's the boat my legs my
939
01:43:50,166 --> 01:43:52,041
fins everything the jump
940
01:43:52,041 --> 01:43:54,500
the swimming to get the shark
941
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:56,875
to tag it and then combat everything all
942
01:43:56,875 --> 01:44:01,083
in a minute i was like wow this is so
943
01:44:01,083 --> 01:44:03,583
fast uh so you have to
944
01:44:03,625 --> 01:44:08,416
pay attention like the 100 focus is a lot
945
01:44:08,416 --> 01:44:10,666
of adrenaline and in peru
946
01:44:10,666 --> 01:44:11,625
we don't have the visibility
947
01:44:12,208 --> 01:44:14,958
like in another country so you see the
948
01:44:14,958 --> 01:44:15,916
whale shark one is already
949
01:44:15,916 --> 01:44:21,125
here um very close so actually i
950
01:44:22,125 --> 01:44:25,208
in places like here in mexico for example
951
01:44:25,208 --> 01:44:28,125
when i see the i saw the
952
01:44:28,125 --> 01:44:30,250
whale sharks you see all the
953
01:44:30,250 --> 01:44:32,791
animal all the whale shark like most of
954
01:44:32,791 --> 01:44:34,666
the people think that they are gonna see
955
01:44:34,666 --> 01:44:36,250
it like in philippines
956
01:44:36,500 --> 01:44:41,250
or in baja in the past you can see that
957
01:44:41,250 --> 01:44:43,208
or even i think in porto
958
01:44:43,208 --> 01:44:45,125
lopez or you can see the
959
01:44:45,125 --> 01:44:47,708
whale shark except when we were there but
960
01:44:47,708 --> 01:44:51,791
except exactly exactly and
961
01:44:51,791 --> 01:44:53,458
that's a thing that i want to
962
01:44:53,458 --> 01:44:55,458
tell also because when you are really
963
01:44:55,458 --> 01:44:56,500
looking for something
964
01:44:56,500 --> 01:44:58,166
sometimes and most of the time
965
01:44:58,833 --> 01:45:01,541
it's gonna be elusive very difficult to
966
01:45:01,541 --> 01:45:04,708
get it and that's that
967
01:45:04,708 --> 01:45:06,625
happened to us this year actually
968
01:45:06,666 --> 01:45:09,291
this is our third year going to the whale
969
01:45:09,291 --> 01:45:11,666
sharks last year we taxi
970
01:45:11,666 --> 01:45:13,500
it was very good for footage
971
01:45:13,541 --> 01:45:17,791
but we don't have the complete animal so
972
01:45:17,791 --> 01:45:19,791
because last year was el
973
01:45:19,791 --> 01:45:22,166
nino and brings a lot of food so
974
01:45:22,166 --> 01:45:24,750
that's a lot of sediment and is in
975
01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:27,458
between you and the shark is a lot of
976
01:45:27,458 --> 01:45:31,625
food right so it's very
977
01:45:32,041 --> 01:45:35,791
in peru is very productive in food so
978
01:45:35,791 --> 01:45:37,583
there is a lot of sediment
979
01:45:37,583 --> 01:45:39,000
in between you and the animal
980
01:45:39,583 --> 01:45:43,583
so now with glaninha we have the option
981
01:45:43,583 --> 01:45:46,125
the cold water is more
982
01:45:46,125 --> 01:45:48,083
clear and we don't have
983
01:45:48,250 --> 01:45:52,041
that much food in between so we want the
984
01:45:52,041 --> 01:45:54,166
the proper footage of the
985
01:45:54,166 --> 01:45:56,166
whale shark because also
986
01:45:56,166 --> 01:45:59,583
the film is ever and the sharks and we
987
01:45:59,583 --> 01:46:01,625
don't have a shark
988
01:46:01,625 --> 01:46:05,083
complete shark and we already are
989
01:46:05,083 --> 01:46:07,958
three years filming so this year we went
990
01:46:07,958 --> 01:46:12,250
one month to the to the water to the
991
01:46:12,250 --> 01:46:13,458
ocean and we don't we
992
01:46:13,458 --> 01:46:18,125
don't see any shark not one not even one
993
01:46:18,125 --> 01:46:20,916
not the other one it was crazy
994
01:46:20,916 --> 01:46:23,666
and it was crazy and yeah that
995
01:46:23,666 --> 01:46:26,541
happened you never know like last year
996
01:46:26,541 --> 01:46:28,458
was good but the the
997
01:46:28,458 --> 01:46:31,000
visibility was not the best but we
998
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,958
have a lot of sharks but but part of
999
01:46:32,958 --> 01:46:36,875
sharks right like yeah yeah and we are
1000
01:46:36,875 --> 01:46:39,625
but the thing is in these
1001
01:46:39,791 --> 01:46:45,541
years these kids also grew up and he
1002
01:46:45,541 --> 01:46:49,625
starts being or thinking in being a
1003
01:46:49,625 --> 01:46:52,208
marine biologist but now he's
1004
01:46:52,333 --> 01:46:56,375
he's he's living or his family is very
1005
01:46:56,375 --> 01:46:59,083
poor is living in a fishing
1006
01:46:59,083 --> 01:47:00,875
village in the north of peru
1007
01:47:01,708 --> 01:47:05,833
in very in very poor conditions so now
1008
01:47:05,833 --> 01:47:08,291
they are paying him to go to
1009
01:47:08,291 --> 01:47:11,583
to the boat to fish for more
1010
01:47:11,583 --> 01:47:16,041
like industrial fishing yeah and he's
1011
01:47:16,041 --> 01:47:17,541
going because he needs the
1012
01:47:17,541 --> 01:47:19,083
money and her mother needs
1013
01:47:19,083 --> 01:47:22,125
the money and so the reality now is
1014
01:47:22,125 --> 01:47:27,291
getting or being more present that
1015
01:47:27,291 --> 01:47:28,791
because now he's almost
1016
01:47:28,916 --> 01:47:32,833
15 and he needs to or go to the sea and
1017
01:47:32,833 --> 01:47:36,416
get that cash for the day or
1018
01:47:36,416 --> 01:47:38,958
go to the university and get
1019
01:47:38,958 --> 01:47:40,833
the plan but he don't have the resource
1020
01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:43,333
for that and how he's going to get it so
1021
01:47:43,333 --> 01:47:45,166
he's he's this dream
1022
01:47:45,458 --> 01:47:51,125
is very far now um so that's a thing that
1023
01:47:51,125 --> 01:47:53,625
we are we don't know what's
1024
01:47:53,625 --> 01:47:54,583
going to happen because it's
1025
01:47:54,625 --> 01:47:58,250
a documentary for the director also
1026
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:59,333
sometimes it's very
1027
01:47:59,333 --> 01:48:03,458
difficult because sometimes she wants
1028
01:48:03,458 --> 01:48:05,666
that i have an idea and then everything
1029
01:48:05,666 --> 01:48:09,083
turns to the other idea to to the
1030
01:48:09,083 --> 01:48:10,791
opposite you never know
1031
01:48:11,208 --> 01:48:14,500
but i'm very grateful to be in this
1032
01:48:14,500 --> 01:48:16,625
process because also i
1033
01:48:16,625 --> 01:48:19,291
learned along how to do cinema
1034
01:48:19,708 --> 01:48:24,583
in latin america is very different and
1035
01:48:24,583 --> 01:48:25,833
it's very different to do
1036
01:48:25,833 --> 01:48:31,375
sin sinne than a serious a
1037
01:48:31,458 --> 01:48:33,458
serious or a documentary a short
1038
01:48:33,458 --> 01:48:37,541
documentary or this is a long one so it's
1039
01:48:37,541 --> 01:48:39,166
the creative process
1040
01:48:39,458 --> 01:48:43,625
that what you start thinking was a story
1041
01:48:43,625 --> 01:48:44,958
at the beginning of change
1042
01:48:44,958 --> 01:48:47,291
so your camera maybe change so
1043
01:48:48,250 --> 01:48:52,333
everything yeah and you have to be open
1044
01:48:52,333 --> 01:48:53,458
for that and be
1045
01:48:53,458 --> 01:48:55,416
flexible in that creativity so
1046
01:48:55,708 --> 01:48:59,958
i think i like uh i really like that and
1047
01:48:59,958 --> 01:49:02,125
i'm done the water camera in that
1048
01:49:02,750 --> 01:49:05,958
how many more how many more years do you
1049
01:49:05,958 --> 01:49:07,083
see that you think you'll film
1050
01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:10,458
on this project well the director said
1051
01:49:10,458 --> 01:49:12,041
that this was the last year
1052
01:49:12,041 --> 01:49:13,541
but we didn't get any sharks
1053
01:49:14,416 --> 01:49:17,000
oh so you'll do at least one more yes one
1054
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,125
more year okay okay at
1055
01:49:19,125 --> 01:49:20,625
least one to finish up sorry
1056
01:49:20,750 --> 01:49:22,916
so so let's let's talk a little bit about
1057
01:49:22,916 --> 01:49:24,958
this project you and i've been working on
1058
01:49:25,458 --> 01:49:29,125
um with the uh it's title it's a it's a
1059
01:49:29,125 --> 01:49:30,333
save our seas funded it was
1060
01:49:30,333 --> 01:49:32,291
a keystone uh grant project
1061
01:49:32,583 --> 01:49:35,125
to uh highlight these law sharks that i
1062
01:49:35,125 --> 01:49:37,125
look around for and the
1063
01:49:37,125 --> 01:49:38,333
project title is searching
1064
01:49:38,333 --> 01:49:41,666
for law sharks extinct or alive and uh
1065
01:49:41,666 --> 01:49:42,750
denise has been filming
1066
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:44,500
the episodes or they actually
1067
01:49:44,500 --> 01:49:46,333
this our expeditions really and then
1068
01:49:46,333 --> 01:49:47,041
we're turning them into
1069
01:49:47,041 --> 01:49:49,625
episodes this is this is now just uh
1070
01:49:49,625 --> 01:49:51,375
our first episode has just come out on
1071
01:49:51,375 --> 01:49:53,791
youtube uh last week have a
1072
01:49:53,791 --> 01:49:55,875
youtube channel set up and
1073
01:49:55,875 --> 01:49:57,916
we're going to be dropping out try to get
1074
01:49:57,916 --> 01:49:59,041
about another new episode
1075
01:49:59,041 --> 01:50:00,708
about every month uh now for
1076
01:50:00,708 --> 01:50:03,125
the next several months and our first uh
1077
01:50:03,125 --> 01:50:05,208
trip that denise and i did
1078
01:50:05,208 --> 01:50:07,375
was to uh ecuador and peru
1079
01:50:08,375 --> 01:50:10,541
which was a which was her own her own
1080
01:50:10,541 --> 01:50:13,750
backyard essentially and uh we went
1081
01:50:13,750 --> 01:50:15,583
looking for a sharks uh
1082
01:50:15,958 --> 01:50:19,291
known as a sharp fin hound shark and the
1083
01:50:19,291 --> 01:50:20,250
species hasn't been
1084
01:50:20,250 --> 01:50:24,250
seen since 1961 and um
1085
01:50:25,916 --> 01:50:26,541
well denise what do you
1086
01:50:26,541 --> 01:50:28,416
think so far on the project
1087
01:50:28,541 --> 01:50:37,916
well the first uh the first time that um
1088
01:50:37,916 --> 01:50:40,375
adriana that is a colleague
1089
01:50:40,375 --> 01:50:42,666
from well dave colleague adri
1090
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:45,875
let me say she's been adriana adriana
1091
01:50:45,875 --> 01:50:47,125
gonzalez pastana she's
1092
01:50:47,125 --> 01:50:48,333
been on the on the podcast
1093
01:50:48,833 --> 01:50:50,791
here so if you go back look at some early
1094
01:50:50,791 --> 01:50:53,083
podcasts so anyway so yeah
1095
01:50:53,083 --> 01:50:55,666
so she's been on here yes yes
1096
01:50:55,708 --> 01:51:01,958
she's um so she um tell me about uh dave
1097
01:51:01,958 --> 01:51:05,375
uh that he's uh on the
1098
01:51:05,375 --> 01:51:07,333
way to peru and she needs
1099
01:51:07,708 --> 01:51:11,666
and he needs a camera woman and i ask
1100
01:51:11,666 --> 01:51:13,833
okay so he's a shark expert
1101
01:51:13,833 --> 01:51:15,375
what what he's doing and what
1102
01:51:15,375 --> 01:51:20,041
that he's gonna uh look for and she said
1103
01:51:20,041 --> 01:51:22,250
he's uh well he's he's
1104
01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:24,500
looking for atriakisa putipina
1105
01:51:24,583 --> 01:51:30,375
this is a shark from ecuador um uh nobody
1106
01:51:30,375 --> 01:51:32,333
see that shark for 60
1107
01:51:32,333 --> 01:51:34,000
years and he's gonna
1108
01:51:34,666 --> 01:51:36,125
came to look for it
1109
01:51:36,125 --> 01:51:37,375
and i was like uh what
1110
01:51:38,250 --> 01:51:44,708
why why she he is looking for something
1111
01:51:44,708 --> 01:51:48,041
that like nobody's seen nobody's seen and
1112
01:51:48,833 --> 01:51:53,125
yeah and also is he needs to to really
1113
01:51:53,125 --> 01:51:57,041
like found it like because he's
1114
01:51:57,458 --> 01:51:59,875
for me in that moment was of
1115
01:51:59,875 --> 01:52:01,291
course he's not gonna found it
1116
01:52:02,250 --> 01:52:06,916
uh but in the process we didn't find it
1117
01:52:06,916 --> 01:52:11,583
well but uh the important thing is
1118
01:52:12,583 --> 01:52:16,750
uh the the journey the awareness around
1119
01:52:16,750 --> 01:52:20,125
uh the the importance of
1120
01:52:20,125 --> 01:52:22,208
these species that nobody knows
1121
01:52:22,583 --> 01:52:25,416
that exist the things that you discover
1122
01:52:25,416 --> 01:52:27,875
in between your search
1123
01:52:27,875 --> 01:52:30,000
in right or or the fun
1124
01:52:30,041 --> 01:52:34,166
you found something but uh in between
1125
01:52:34,166 --> 01:52:35,583
there are a lot of things
1126
01:52:35,583 --> 01:52:41,375
that you learn and um so the
1127
01:52:42,833 --> 01:52:45,416
because of the story that for me was
1128
01:52:45,416 --> 01:52:47,458
amazing since the beginning
1129
01:52:47,458 --> 01:52:50,083
like i think i really like
1130
01:52:50,083 --> 01:52:51,666
the story that you really don't
1131
01:52:51,666 --> 01:52:54,541
understand or is super impressive like
1132
01:52:54,541 --> 01:52:55,833
you said like it's not
1133
01:52:55,875 --> 01:52:57,750
gonna do it like the underwater painter
1134
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:59,791
right like yeah he's not
1135
01:52:59,791 --> 01:53:01,416
gonna do it yeah such a unique
1136
01:53:01,416 --> 01:53:04,666
situation it's so unique it's so unique
1137
01:53:04,666 --> 01:53:08,666
so it's like i'm all in so
1138
01:53:08,666 --> 01:53:11,166
i want to tell this story
1139
01:53:11,708 --> 01:53:15,500
this is i think one of my favorite
1140
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:17,208
stories so i really wait
1141
01:53:17,208 --> 01:53:19,375
the time of the year of
1142
01:53:20,625 --> 01:53:23,541
to going to to report or to be the
1143
01:53:23,541 --> 01:53:28,083
camerawoman of of day because he's that
1144
01:53:28,083 --> 01:53:29,333
his projects are amazing
1145
01:53:29,625 --> 01:53:34,291
i learn a lot um he have also a lot of
1146
01:53:34,291 --> 01:53:35,458
experience to share
1147
01:53:35,458 --> 01:53:37,958
he's super cool to travel
1148
01:53:38,583 --> 01:53:44,250
um so for all i i like the story in my
1149
01:53:44,250 --> 01:53:46,000
calendar for the year like
1150
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:47,375
november for whale sharks in
1151
01:53:47,375 --> 01:53:52,291
peru and july i asked for some place in
1152
01:53:52,291 --> 01:53:54,291
the world that they've some place you
1153
01:53:54,291 --> 01:53:55,333
want to go to search
1154
01:53:55,333 --> 01:53:57,833
yes well based based on our experience
1155
01:53:57,833 --> 01:53:59,291
with whale sharks we're
1156
01:53:59,291 --> 01:54:00,375
about doing the same whether
1157
01:54:00,375 --> 01:54:02,791
we're looking for sharpen hound sharks or
1158
01:54:02,791 --> 01:54:04,291
whale sharks because um
1159
01:54:04,291 --> 01:54:06,791
the first place it turned out
1160
01:54:06,791 --> 01:54:10,125
we went to uh the next two stories that
1161
01:54:10,125 --> 01:54:12,791
come out uh are equi referred to as
1162
01:54:12,791 --> 01:54:13,833
equidor as lost shark
1163
01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:16,583
the only place this shark is known from
1164
01:54:16,583 --> 01:54:19,083
is off uh isla de plata
1165
01:54:19,083 --> 01:54:22,208
off porta lopez in in equidor
1166
01:54:22,875 --> 01:54:25,375
and of course that turned out to be uh
1167
01:54:25,375 --> 01:54:26,875
the largest known
1168
01:54:26,875 --> 01:54:29,583
aggregation of manorays oceanic
1169
01:54:29,583 --> 01:54:31,708
manorays in the world at this spot and
1170
01:54:31,708 --> 01:54:34,125
whale sharks there and so
1171
01:54:34,125 --> 01:54:35,458
of course dennis and i and
1172
01:54:35,458 --> 01:54:38,916
adriana uh savallos and adriana pastana
1173
01:54:38,916 --> 01:54:40,625
went out there and we
1174
01:54:40,625 --> 01:54:42,083
didn't see any manorays no whale
1175
01:54:42,125 --> 01:54:43,791
sharks and of course we didn't find any
1176
01:54:43,791 --> 01:54:44,625
sharp fins we didn't see
1177
01:54:44,625 --> 01:54:45,958
anything any sharks really but
1178
01:54:46,041 --> 01:54:50,166
it was a it was a fun journey um despite
1179
01:54:50,166 --> 01:54:52,583
not seeing everything um
1180
01:54:52,583 --> 01:54:54,166
not seeing any sharks really
1181
01:54:54,166 --> 01:54:56,250
and and uh because i was excited thought
1182
01:54:56,250 --> 01:54:56,958
well at least we'll see a
1183
01:54:56,958 --> 01:54:58,833
lot of manorays and maybe some
1184
01:54:58,833 --> 01:55:00,250
whale sharks which would be really cool
1185
01:55:00,250 --> 01:55:01,833
and of course the manorays
1186
01:55:01,833 --> 01:55:03,041
we found out showed up about
1187
01:55:03,041 --> 01:55:05,458
a week after we left and the whale sharks
1188
01:55:05,458 --> 01:55:07,041
showed up about a week
1189
01:55:07,041 --> 01:55:09,666
after we left and so that's
1190
01:55:09,708 --> 01:55:12,125
typically how as dennis said on her other
1191
01:55:12,125 --> 01:55:13,375
project if you go looking for
1192
01:55:13,375 --> 01:55:14,125
something you're never going
1193
01:55:14,125 --> 01:55:16,000
to find it it's just you have to be
1194
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,125
looking for something else
1195
01:55:17,125 --> 01:55:20,125
yeah um yeah you have to start
1196
01:55:20,125 --> 01:55:22,916
saying like that right like yeah why i'm
1197
01:55:22,916 --> 01:55:26,166
gonna record something
1198
01:55:26,166 --> 01:55:30,166
right well i i always tell i've
1199
01:55:30,166 --> 01:55:31,291
done this for years because i've been
1200
01:55:31,291 --> 01:55:32,625
doing this my whole career is
1201
01:55:32,625 --> 01:55:34,333
i just tell people like i never
1202
01:55:34,333 --> 01:55:35,916
want to say what i'm going to look for
1203
01:55:35,916 --> 01:55:37,125
because i know i won't find
1204
01:55:37,125 --> 01:55:38,250
it so i'll just say i'm going
1205
01:55:38,250 --> 01:55:40,708
to go to the fish market and i'll see
1206
01:55:40,708 --> 01:55:43,333
what i find there and that's when i'll
1207
01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:44,000
that's when i'll find
1208
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,833
stuff if i say like i'm going to go look
1209
01:55:45,833 --> 01:55:47,333
for this one shark or ray
1210
01:55:47,333 --> 01:55:49,375
there's no way i'll find it but
1211
01:55:49,375 --> 01:55:50,625
if i go i'm just gonna go to the fish
1212
01:55:50,625 --> 01:55:52,416
market then i'll find some really cool
1213
01:55:52,416 --> 01:55:54,958
stuff um but the the
1214
01:55:55,291 --> 01:55:58,083
point of the series um and just so we
1215
01:55:58,083 --> 01:55:59,083
know that denise has been
1216
01:55:59,083 --> 01:56:00,500
filming it and andrew's been doing
1217
01:56:00,500 --> 01:56:02,750
the editing and we've been putting andrew
1218
01:56:02,750 --> 01:56:03,541
and so it's been a learning
1219
01:56:03,541 --> 01:56:04,708
experience for like especially
1220
01:56:04,750 --> 01:56:06,750
for andrew and i denise was came to
1221
01:56:06,750 --> 01:56:09,458
experience in the photography um but it's
1222
01:56:09,458 --> 01:56:10,833
been for me it's been a
1223
01:56:10,833 --> 01:56:13,500
bit as a passion project kind of telling
1224
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:15,958
the story about these sharks that
1225
01:56:15,958 --> 01:56:17,166
nobody's known about in
1226
01:56:17,166 --> 01:56:19,791
fact we were working with uh guy stephens
1227
01:56:19,791 --> 01:56:22,458
and uh the mantatress and uh
1228
01:56:22,458 --> 01:56:25,333
jazz coburt and uh michelle
1229
01:56:25,333 --> 01:56:28,125
garell from the ecuador uh manta project
1230
01:56:28,125 --> 01:56:30,750
and then ever and you know
1231
01:56:30,750 --> 01:56:31,833
particularly michelle who's
1232
01:56:31,875 --> 01:56:34,083
ecuadoran he'd never even heard of this
1233
01:56:34,083 --> 01:56:35,041
shark before and that's
1234
01:56:35,041 --> 01:56:36,708
what we found with most of the
1235
01:56:36,708 --> 01:56:38,541
ecuadorans except for the older ones the
1236
01:56:38,541 --> 01:56:40,500
older fishermen that we
1237
01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:42,166
met they knew what this shark
1238
01:56:42,166 --> 01:56:44,125
was but they don't think it was the same
1239
01:56:44,125 --> 01:56:46,333
story and uh in that they
1240
01:56:46,333 --> 01:56:47,375
would say like we haven't seen
1241
01:56:47,375 --> 01:56:51,625
this shark in 35 or 40 years and and so
1242
01:56:51,625 --> 01:56:52,916
but the younger guy the
1243
01:56:52,916 --> 01:56:54,625
younger people like denise's age
1244
01:56:54,625 --> 01:56:57,333
and they you know pretty much anybody
1245
01:56:57,333 --> 01:57:00,208
under you know 50 60 years of age they
1246
01:57:00,208 --> 01:57:00,958
had no idea what this
1247
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,333
they didn't even know the shark was there
1248
01:57:02,333 --> 01:57:05,875
so right the big project that we've
1249
01:57:05,875 --> 01:57:06,833
really that they were
1250
01:57:06,833 --> 01:57:10,041
highlighting is that all of these sharks
1251
01:57:10,041 --> 01:57:11,375
i don't say all of them but there are
1252
01:57:11,375 --> 01:57:12,208
sharks and rays that
1253
01:57:12,208 --> 01:57:14,833
are disappearing and nobody's paying any
1254
01:57:14,833 --> 01:57:16,291
attention to they'll look for whale
1255
01:57:16,291 --> 01:57:17,416
sharks to look for white
1256
01:57:17,416 --> 01:57:20,375
sharks or tiger sharks and so we're
1257
01:57:20,375 --> 01:57:23,208
trying to kind of spread the word here
1258
01:57:23,208 --> 01:57:24,458
with denise's photography
1259
01:57:24,666 --> 01:57:27,583
and the andrew and i ended in the editing
1260
01:57:27,583 --> 01:57:28,208
and trying to tell
1261
01:57:28,208 --> 01:57:29,916
this story to really raise
1262
01:57:30,041 --> 01:57:32,541
awareness for this and save our season
1263
01:57:32,541 --> 01:57:34,250
has been amazing as far as being able to
1264
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:35,291
support this project
1265
01:57:35,791 --> 01:57:37,875
and we're going into our third year now
1266
01:57:37,875 --> 01:57:40,166
um we've had some pretty amazing
1267
01:57:40,166 --> 01:57:42,625
experiences um wouldn't you agree denise
1268
01:57:44,916 --> 01:57:48,208
totally yes as i said this one of the
1269
01:57:48,208 --> 01:57:49,458
stories that i really like
1270
01:57:49,458 --> 01:57:52,958
to to cover and report also is
1271
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:58,666
is amazing i learn a lot i think uh dave
1272
01:57:58,666 --> 01:58:01,458
i think of course you you learn too
1273
01:58:01,458 --> 01:58:04,416
because yeah i think
1274
01:58:04,416 --> 01:58:06,791
that you already know everything but i'm
1275
01:58:06,791 --> 01:58:07,916
sure like you already know
1276
01:58:07,916 --> 01:58:12,958
trust me still learning but um
1277
01:58:13,208 --> 01:58:17,041
also is is very tough too in some parts
1278
01:58:17,041 --> 01:58:20,833
is um for me they have
1279
01:58:20,833 --> 01:58:22,500
more experience with that
1280
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,291
but for me went to the fish but very big
1281
01:58:26,291 --> 01:58:28,541
fish markets with all the
1282
01:58:28,541 --> 01:58:31,083
sharks and see all these
1283
01:58:31,625 --> 01:58:36,375
hundreds of sharks or the baby one baby
1284
01:58:36,375 --> 01:58:37,541
tiger sharks that they
1285
01:58:37,541 --> 01:58:40,250
are super cute or the um
1286
01:58:40,500 --> 01:58:43,041
the last time that we were in indonesia
1287
01:58:43,041 --> 01:58:47,000
in this island that the um
1288
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:48,875
i think was a minister of
1289
01:58:48,916 --> 01:58:52,708
fisheries right that they bring you a lot
1290
01:58:52,708 --> 01:58:55,375
of sharks and braids to
1291
01:58:55,375 --> 01:58:57,625
to do a workshop and the
1292
01:58:57,625 --> 01:59:00,875
identification for me was super
1293
01:59:00,875 --> 01:59:04,833
impressive like i is something like with
1294
01:59:04,833 --> 01:59:07,958
i get when i went to
1295
01:59:08,500 --> 01:59:11,583
to the hotel at the at the end of every
1296
01:59:11,583 --> 01:59:15,541
day i was with the energy like this like
1297
01:59:16,333 --> 01:59:21,416
very low like is uh i usually do the farm
1298
01:59:21,416 --> 01:59:23,375
part like underwater and
1299
01:59:23,375 --> 01:59:25,458
all the things like the
1300
01:59:25,458 --> 01:59:29,500
sharks are alive and the colors and the
1301
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:33,333
corals and then go to see
1302
01:59:33,333 --> 01:59:36,583
all these blood part with the
1303
01:59:36,833 --> 01:59:41,125
um for me was the most impressive in in
1304
01:59:41,125 --> 01:59:43,125
the in in ekwador we saw
1305
01:59:43,125 --> 01:59:46,833
it a lot and but i think
1306
01:59:46,833 --> 01:59:52,125
were more about the feeling of the mafia
1307
01:59:52,125 --> 01:59:54,958
thing yes right like we
1308
01:59:54,958 --> 01:59:57,041
were afraid of that or i was
1309
01:59:57,041 --> 01:59:59,541
concerned about that in the in the nation
1310
01:59:59,541 --> 02:00:02,291
we don't feel that but right
1311
02:00:02,291 --> 02:00:05,291
the energy was i don't know i
1312
02:00:05,625 --> 02:00:11,208
we saw so many species or so many
1313
02:00:11,208 --> 02:00:13,291
beautiful things that some
1314
02:00:13,291 --> 02:00:14,916
of the yeah some of the things
1315
02:00:14,916 --> 02:00:16,833
and we'll be we'll touch on this in some
1316
02:00:16,833 --> 02:00:18,125
of the episodes to come
1317
02:00:18,125 --> 02:00:19,583
and things that people don't
1318
02:00:19,583 --> 02:00:20,750
think about like when you go to look for
1319
02:00:20,750 --> 02:00:21,625
sharks like we're in
1320
02:00:21,625 --> 02:00:23,333
ecuador in northern peru we had
1321
02:00:23,708 --> 02:00:25,916
we'd go to fish markets or we'd have
1322
02:00:25,916 --> 02:00:28,583
mafia people to deal with or drug cartels
1323
02:00:28,583 --> 02:00:30,000
and we literally had
1324
02:00:30,041 --> 02:00:32,041
to flee a few paces because we were told
1325
02:00:32,041 --> 02:00:32,750
to leave or we're going
1326
02:00:32,750 --> 02:00:35,125
to be killed and so like um
1327
02:00:35,541 --> 02:00:36,625
those are the things you don't think
1328
02:00:36,625 --> 02:00:38,875
about um except when you're out there
1329
02:00:38,875 --> 02:00:39,916
like filming something
1330
02:00:39,916 --> 02:00:42,083
and like another one day we're in we're
1331
02:00:42,083 --> 02:00:44,041
in ecuador and i was filming
1332
02:00:44,041 --> 02:00:45,375
some stuff and suddenly danice
1333
02:00:45,375 --> 02:00:47,000
grabs my arm and just says we need to
1334
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:48,583
leave now and i didn't have
1335
02:00:48,583 --> 02:00:49,708
to ask her why because i knew
1336
02:00:49,708 --> 02:00:52,916
exactly why we had to leave and so uh and
1337
02:00:52,916 --> 02:00:54,541
so you run into those those
1338
02:00:54,541 --> 02:00:55,375
are things you don't think
1339
02:00:55,416 --> 02:00:57,833
about um in some of these areas and it
1340
02:00:57,833 --> 02:00:58,750
was it was pretty
1341
02:00:58,750 --> 02:01:00,333
intense the the few weeks where
1342
02:01:00,333 --> 02:01:02,458
in we're both in ecuador and in northern
1343
02:01:02,458 --> 02:01:04,333
peru because everywhere we
1344
02:01:04,333 --> 02:01:05,208
went to all the fish markets
1345
02:01:05,958 --> 02:01:07,750
and everything you had that always had
1346
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:09,708
that undercurrent of like the mafia
1347
02:01:09,708 --> 02:01:11,250
running the place or
1348
02:01:11,250 --> 02:01:13,666
you had um i mean we were going to try to
1349
02:01:13,666 --> 02:01:16,208
hold uh some uh some uh
1350
02:01:16,208 --> 02:01:17,958
identification workshops and
1351
02:01:17,958 --> 02:01:20,791
um and one of our colleagues in adriana
1352
02:01:20,791 --> 02:01:22,125
and ecuador just said
1353
02:01:22,125 --> 02:01:24,416
well we you can have one but
1354
02:01:24,416 --> 02:01:25,791
nobody's going to show up because they're
1355
02:01:25,791 --> 02:01:26,333
all going to afraid
1356
02:01:26,333 --> 02:01:27,125
they're going to be killed
1357
02:01:27,708 --> 02:01:30,375
and so we had to counsel having having a
1358
02:01:30,375 --> 02:01:31,666
workshop because well i can
1359
02:01:31,666 --> 02:01:32,625
understand nobody i don't want
1360
02:01:32,625 --> 02:01:35,000
to get killed danice didn't want so so we
1361
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:36,958
didn't have that um you
1362
02:01:36,958 --> 02:01:38,166
know we went to other places we
1363
02:01:38,166 --> 02:01:40,166
are in um one of the other stories
1364
02:01:40,166 --> 02:01:42,166
they'll tell we went to an amazing trip
1365
02:01:42,166 --> 02:01:44,416
to timor lesty east timor
1366
02:01:44,833 --> 02:01:48,000
uh danice and i did and um there there
1367
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,916
was really peaceful and
1368
02:01:49,916 --> 02:01:51,375
everything except he had this issue
1369
02:01:51,416 --> 02:01:55,916
with crocodiles everywhere and uh small
1370
02:01:55,916 --> 02:01:57,625
small issue does it you
1371
02:01:57,625 --> 02:01:59,458
walk oh you walk over to go
1372
02:01:59,458 --> 02:02:01,458
take a picture and or the one day danice
1373
02:02:01,458 --> 02:02:02,166
went over to take some
1374
02:02:02,166 --> 02:02:03,333
filming of like some pretty
1375
02:02:03,333 --> 02:02:07,083
little lagoon and and one of our our uh
1376
02:02:07,083 --> 02:02:08,791
uh uh colleagues there
1377
02:02:08,791 --> 02:02:10,333
who's team or he's good starts
1378
02:02:10,333 --> 02:02:12,875
going no run get away because there's
1379
02:02:12,875 --> 02:02:14,208
somebody just been killed by
1380
02:02:14,208 --> 02:02:15,541
a crocodile a few days earlier
1381
02:02:15,625 --> 02:02:17,500
in the same little pretty little lagoon
1382
02:02:17,500 --> 02:02:20,250
there uh so you have it was
1383
02:02:20,250 --> 02:02:22,208
uh it was is the things you
1384
02:02:22,208 --> 02:02:23,500
don't think about when you're ever he's
1385
02:02:23,500 --> 02:02:24,416
worried about like well
1386
02:02:24,416 --> 02:02:25,291
how do you feel working about
1387
02:02:25,291 --> 02:02:26,833
sharks and the sharks are nothing that's
1388
02:02:26,833 --> 02:02:27,708
it's all the other
1389
02:02:27,708 --> 02:02:28,916
things you have to worry about
1390
02:02:29,208 --> 02:02:32,375
besides the sharks um but the team or the
1391
02:02:32,375 --> 02:02:33,833
team or story will
1392
02:02:33,833 --> 02:02:35,500
probably be a good one we'll we'll
1393
02:02:35,500 --> 02:02:38,083
we'll tell about that story some places
1394
02:02:38,083 --> 02:02:39,750
that was a place it was
1395
02:02:39,750 --> 02:02:41,125
that was a big exploration for
1396
02:02:41,125 --> 02:02:43,166
danice and i and the others on the group
1397
02:02:43,166 --> 02:02:46,250
julia and uh adriana um
1398
02:02:46,250 --> 02:02:48,041
because nobody's ever looked
1399
02:02:48,041 --> 02:02:50,208
at sharks there so that was it that was
1400
02:02:50,208 --> 02:02:51,333
that was a that was another
1401
02:02:51,333 --> 02:02:53,500
really good episode it'll be a
1402
02:02:53,500 --> 02:02:55,666
good episode coming up in the future we
1403
02:02:55,666 --> 02:02:57,708
did we spent uh quite a bit of time
1404
02:02:57,708 --> 02:02:59,500
traveling through uh
1405
02:02:59,500 --> 02:03:03,541
uh indonesia with uh nia simone uh and
1406
02:03:03,541 --> 02:03:04,625
and just went to some
1407
02:03:04,625 --> 02:03:06,791
places and found i mean danice is
1408
02:03:06,833 --> 02:03:09,333
she's a film person she's seen sharks and
1409
02:03:09,333 --> 02:03:11,000
rays that very few people
1410
02:03:11,000 --> 02:03:12,375
have ever seen that study
1411
02:03:12,375 --> 02:03:14,375
sharks and rays out there so we special
1412
02:03:14,375 --> 02:03:15,791
spot special spot yeah
1413
02:03:15,791 --> 02:03:17,166
she she was really fortunate
1414
02:03:17,166 --> 02:03:19,541
to see some things that most people never
1415
02:03:19,541 --> 02:03:21,125
some of the ones i'd never
1416
02:03:21,125 --> 02:03:22,208
seen before in fact a number
1417
02:03:22,208 --> 02:03:25,000
of the ones i'd never seen before so um
1418
02:03:25,000 --> 02:03:27,791
it was a it's been a pretty amazing
1419
02:03:27,791 --> 02:03:29,291
expedition uh the last
1420
02:03:29,291 --> 02:03:31,375
couple years and we got we're not going
1421
02:03:31,375 --> 02:03:32,125
to tell you now but we got
1422
02:03:32,125 --> 02:03:33,125
some really exciting news we'll
1423
02:03:33,125 --> 02:03:35,041
tell you later this year on our next
1424
02:03:35,041 --> 02:03:36,041
journey that we're going to
1425
02:03:36,041 --> 02:03:38,208
be doing um on this on this
1426
02:03:38,208 --> 02:03:40,708
project here but um part of the project
1427
02:03:40,708 --> 02:03:41,833
besides telling the stories
1428
02:03:41,833 --> 02:03:44,041
we're also uh doing workshops
1429
02:03:44,125 --> 02:03:46,916
as danice mentioned i ran a workshop a
1430
02:03:46,916 --> 02:03:47,708
couple workshops in
1431
02:03:47,708 --> 02:03:50,125
indonesia with sidies inspectors to
1432
02:03:50,125 --> 02:03:52,416
try to help train them on what to look
1433
02:03:52,416 --> 02:03:55,250
for in terms of species and
1434
02:03:55,250 --> 02:03:57,375
uh it's it's been a really
1435
02:03:57,458 --> 02:03:59,625
it's been kind of kind of a multifaceted
1436
02:03:59,625 --> 02:04:02,041
project the the the the
1437
02:04:02,041 --> 02:04:03,625
documentary part is just one small
1438
02:04:03,625 --> 02:04:06,500
part of the of the broader project and um
1439
02:04:06,500 --> 02:04:07,125
hopefully this will
1440
02:04:07,125 --> 02:04:08,333
lead to some inspire some
1441
02:04:08,333 --> 02:04:10,666
more projects that uh we'll be able to
1442
02:04:10,666 --> 02:04:13,458
share coming up and um and
1443
02:04:13,458 --> 02:04:15,083
so um so hopefully danish
1444
02:04:15,083 --> 02:04:17,250
you're all ready for the next adventure
1445
02:04:17,250 --> 02:04:20,250
to come up on this yes
1446
02:04:20,250 --> 02:04:22,708
of course super ready
1447
02:04:23,375 --> 02:04:24,875
i actually have something that i would
1448
02:04:24,875 --> 02:04:28,125
like to say it get me very excited when
1449
02:04:28,125 --> 02:04:31,416
i'm traveling with dave is when he said
1450
02:04:31,416 --> 02:04:36,458
the he said so so that i saw some sharks
1451
02:04:36,458 --> 02:04:39,458
that a lot of people didn't
1452
02:04:39,458 --> 02:04:42,125
see in my life and i'm very
1453
02:04:42,250 --> 02:04:44,708
grateful for that because when he told me
1454
02:04:44,708 --> 02:04:47,625
let's go to a basement of i
1455
02:04:47,625 --> 02:04:49,125
think the basement or another
1456
02:04:49,416 --> 02:04:52,708
room to this room um it's amazing because
1457
02:04:52,708 --> 02:04:54,958
the the basement of the
1458
02:04:54,958 --> 02:04:57,208
california academy of science
1459
02:04:57,708 --> 02:05:01,041
yeah it's amazing like nobody goes to the
1460
02:05:01,041 --> 02:05:02,666
basement so to have
1461
02:05:02,666 --> 02:05:05,375
opportunity to get into a place that
1462
02:05:05,375 --> 02:05:10,125
nobody goes and it's only for scientists
1463
02:05:10,125 --> 02:05:11,916
researchers and to
1464
02:05:11,916 --> 02:05:13,625
see all these ictiology
1465
02:05:14,416 --> 02:05:17,833
um collection that is one of the biggest
1466
02:05:17,833 --> 02:05:19,125
in the world is amazing
1467
02:05:19,125 --> 02:05:21,083
and he took these three
1468
02:05:21,083 --> 02:05:23,625
a kiss of puttipini that is the shark
1469
02:05:23,625 --> 02:05:25,833
that we were looking for in
1470
02:05:25,833 --> 02:05:28,000
or they was looking for with
1471
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,791
a scientist in a paulo and peru and
1472
02:05:30,791 --> 02:05:33,125
actually the scientists were looking for
1473
02:05:33,125 --> 02:05:34,416
it they never saw it
1474
02:05:34,416 --> 02:05:38,458
in real like me yeah yeah yeah we were
1475
02:05:38,458 --> 02:05:39,708
looking for in peru and a
1476
02:05:39,708 --> 02:05:42,000
paulo or like adriana and
1477
02:05:42,833 --> 02:05:45,791
all that the experts and they saw it they
1478
02:05:45,791 --> 02:05:47,125
are only two species
1479
02:05:47,125 --> 02:05:50,458
specimens in the world yeah one's in
1480
02:05:50,458 --> 02:05:52,291
the basement of the science academy and
1481
02:05:52,291 --> 02:05:53,583
the other in this masonian
1482
02:05:53,583 --> 02:05:56,916
and i saw one of them so yeah
1483
02:05:57,208 --> 02:06:01,833
when you get that things it's like you
1484
02:06:01,833 --> 02:06:03,333
you already learned a lot
1485
02:06:03,333 --> 02:06:05,916
just in that moment and in that
1486
02:06:05,958 --> 02:06:08,416
emotion right like to discover something
1487
02:06:08,416 --> 02:06:10,333
or to see that this is
1488
02:06:10,333 --> 02:06:13,541
special and in the other room
1489
02:06:13,708 --> 02:06:20,041
was the in indonesia in this uh uh family
1490
02:06:20,041 --> 02:06:23,041
oh phommie is an expert in
1491
02:06:23,041 --> 02:06:25,250
yep the indonesian expert
1492
02:06:25,250 --> 02:06:27,625
phommie yep yep one of the fish top fish
1493
02:06:27,625 --> 02:06:29,750
is a shark expert yep that
1494
02:06:29,750 --> 02:06:31,791
he has a room with coolers
1495
02:06:32,208 --> 02:06:35,833
and the most amazing sharks in the world
1496
02:06:35,833 --> 02:06:38,916
i think like these little things
1497
02:06:40,583 --> 02:06:44,875
like black things of black sharks or the
1498
02:06:44,875 --> 02:06:45,833
cookie shark that i
1499
02:06:45,833 --> 02:06:47,541
never saw it in cookie cutter
1500
02:06:47,541 --> 02:06:51,041
life like cookie cutter that is amazing
1501
02:06:51,041 --> 02:06:55,250
um and also i when i'm
1502
02:06:55,250 --> 02:06:56,791
recording sometimes i don't
1503
02:06:57,625 --> 02:07:00,500
you you are not very into the reality of
1504
02:07:00,500 --> 02:07:02,416
what you are doing but
1505
02:07:02,416 --> 02:07:05,416
sometimes the emotion you know
1506
02:07:05,416 --> 02:07:07,125
that you are an emotional and special
1507
02:07:07,125 --> 02:07:10,000
moment but everything go fast and you
1508
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,250
have to focus on the
1509
02:07:11,250 --> 02:07:14,208
things and the what they are doing but
1510
02:07:14,208 --> 02:07:16,291
sometimes they've smiled
1511
02:07:16,291 --> 02:07:19,375
more than other times so when he
1512
02:07:19,375 --> 02:07:22,208
saw it the river shark for example in the
1513
02:07:22,208 --> 02:07:25,666
in that place in the lab
1514
02:07:25,666 --> 02:07:28,250
i knew that was a special
1515
02:07:28,250 --> 02:07:30,166
this is more special than the special
1516
02:07:30,166 --> 02:07:32,250
moment yeah the special
1517
02:07:32,250 --> 02:07:33,583
part of the special moment
1518
02:07:34,125 --> 02:07:37,666
so i pay more attention and he's like uh
1519
02:07:37,666 --> 02:07:39,500
this is so cool and he said
1520
02:07:39,500 --> 02:07:40,583
this is so cool because of
1521
02:07:40,583 --> 02:07:43,625
this and all the others scientists are
1522
02:07:43,625 --> 02:07:47,875
very like excited to oh he bring a jar
1523
02:07:47,875 --> 02:07:49,291
with things and tell
1524
02:07:49,291 --> 02:07:53,458
him we don't know what is this can you
1525
02:07:53,458 --> 02:07:58,750
help us so you know that this
1526
02:07:58,750 --> 02:08:01,750
came for a deep sea fisheries
1527
02:08:01,958 --> 02:08:05,041
is species that nobody knows what is it
1528
02:08:05,041 --> 02:08:06,666
so probably there are a lot of
1529
02:08:06,666 --> 02:08:08,583
new things for science in that
1530
02:08:08,583 --> 02:08:13,000
you are so have the possibility to see
1531
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,250
two scientists open a
1532
02:08:16,250 --> 02:08:18,375
jar that nobody knows what
1533
02:08:18,583 --> 02:08:22,500
is inside and taking out the the sharks
1534
02:08:22,500 --> 02:08:25,000
and baby things uh well
1535
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:26,750
probably it's not babies but for
1536
02:08:26,750 --> 02:08:30,750
me are the babies because we're small but
1537
02:08:30,750 --> 02:08:32,416
it's amazing i think i
1538
02:08:32,416 --> 02:08:34,916
think it's very cool to be part
1539
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:38,625
of that absolutely yeah absolutely yeah
1540
02:08:38,625 --> 02:08:39,750
there's definitely this will
1541
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:41,166
be in one of the indonesian
1542
02:08:41,166 --> 02:08:43,458
shows we basically had we pulled out a
1543
02:08:43,458 --> 02:08:44,291
family had collected a
1544
02:08:44,291 --> 02:08:45,458
whole bunch of these deep seed
1545
02:08:45,958 --> 02:08:48,458
dog fish and cat sharks and we pulled
1546
02:08:48,458 --> 02:08:49,458
them out and it was the first
1547
02:08:49,458 --> 02:08:50,833
time we'd looked at them and
1548
02:08:51,583 --> 02:08:52,750
and there was some really interesting
1549
02:08:52,750 --> 02:08:53,708
stuff there i won't give
1550
02:08:53,708 --> 02:08:55,375
away what we found but you
1551
02:08:55,375 --> 02:08:56,833
have to watch the episode when it comes
1552
02:08:56,833 --> 02:08:58,083
out later this year but
1553
02:08:58,083 --> 02:08:59,625
we found some stuff and
1554
02:08:59,958 --> 02:09:02,541
and denise is she says she's been very
1555
02:09:02,541 --> 02:09:05,166
fortunate she's seen things that most
1556
02:09:05,166 --> 02:09:06,625
people have never seen i
1557
02:09:07,291 --> 02:09:09,625
i waited a long time for the river sharks
1558
02:09:09,625 --> 02:09:11,500
most of my career to actually have a
1559
02:09:11,500 --> 02:09:12,583
chance to go out and see
1560
02:09:12,583 --> 02:09:14,833
them in the wild you know here's denise
1561
02:09:14,833 --> 02:09:15,916
is just a kid she's already
1562
02:09:15,916 --> 02:09:17,666
got to see him and tag him and
1563
02:09:18,666 --> 02:09:21,333
for me it was a very um that episode was
1564
02:09:21,333 --> 02:09:22,250
very that was a very
1565
02:09:22,250 --> 02:09:23,916
emotional episode for me because as a
1566
02:09:23,958 --> 02:09:26,125
grad student we thought the river sharks
1567
02:09:26,125 --> 02:09:28,291
had gone extinct and so now
1568
02:09:28,291 --> 02:09:29,666
we actually got to go out and
1569
02:09:29,666 --> 02:09:32,041
handle some in the field we found some
1570
02:09:32,041 --> 02:09:34,125
and yeah we found some in in
1571
02:09:34,125 --> 02:09:36,500
phommy's lab um it was just
1572
02:09:36,500 --> 02:09:38,458
it was a it yeah that's that's going to
1573
02:09:38,458 --> 02:09:39,708
be a very good story to tell
1574
02:09:39,708 --> 02:09:41,583
40 years about that yeah 40
1575
02:09:41,583 --> 02:09:43,875
years later for me and say denise the kid
1576
02:09:43,875 --> 02:09:45,000
here got a chance to see
1577
02:09:45,000 --> 02:09:48,375
him and uh very few people
1578
02:09:48,500 --> 02:09:49,958
that's another one you know very few
1579
02:09:49,958 --> 02:09:52,291
people outside australia
1580
02:09:52,291 --> 02:09:53,250
there have really ever seen
1581
02:09:53,250 --> 02:09:55,375
those things so it's another it's a real
1582
02:09:55,375 --> 02:09:57,125
arty she's been kind of
1583
02:09:57,125 --> 02:09:59,041
had a really good seat to uh
1584
02:09:59,041 --> 02:10:01,708
to see a lot she's knows has seen a lot
1585
02:10:01,708 --> 02:10:02,708
more than a lot of shark
1586
02:10:02,708 --> 02:10:06,208
experts have so um um um so anyways
1587
02:10:06,208 --> 02:10:07,416
that's been really it's been fun just
1588
02:10:07,416 --> 02:10:08,833
traveling together and
1589
02:10:08,833 --> 02:10:11,666
having some adventures and and
1590
02:10:11,708 --> 02:10:15,333
everything so um so but um yeah i hope
1591
02:10:15,333 --> 02:10:16,416
people you know definitely
1592
02:10:16,416 --> 02:10:17,750
tune in catch this series
1593
02:10:17,750 --> 02:10:19,458
is beyond youtube we'll post the links
1594
02:10:19,458 --> 02:10:21,541
there to catch um yeah and
1595
02:10:21,541 --> 02:10:23,333
denise it's been a it's been
1596
02:10:23,333 --> 02:10:24,375
really good we're definitely gonna have
1597
02:10:24,375 --> 02:10:25,291
you back on and talk about
1598
02:10:25,291 --> 02:10:26,250
some more of our adventures
1599
02:10:26,666 --> 02:10:30,041
and uh but um what advice for we leave uh
1600
02:10:30,041 --> 02:10:31,166
what advice would you have
1601
02:10:31,166 --> 02:10:32,375
for a young person starting
1602
02:10:32,375 --> 02:10:34,333
out uh that wants to pursue say a
1603
02:10:34,333 --> 02:10:37,000
journalism film career what
1604
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:38,000
advice would you have for them
1605
02:10:40,583 --> 02:10:44,416
well i think for uh young people probably
1606
02:10:44,416 --> 02:10:48,708
like just to follow their intuition if
1607
02:10:48,708 --> 02:10:51,875
they think uh is something
1608
02:10:52,250 --> 02:10:55,791
there that will uh bring you joy to your
1609
02:10:55,791 --> 02:10:57,958
life so maybe you can follow
1610
02:10:57,958 --> 02:11:01,625
that path and yeah and just
1611
02:11:02,333 --> 02:11:05,625
well to send the mail right i think
1612
02:11:05,625 --> 02:11:07,500
that's the other thing
1613
02:11:07,500 --> 02:11:09,833
just send a mail or just ask
1614
02:11:10,166 --> 02:11:15,291
because sometimes if you ask uh sometimes
1615
02:11:15,291 --> 02:11:18,458
they tell you yes and so
1616
02:11:18,458 --> 02:11:20,333
yeah that's uh an important
1617
02:11:20,416 --> 02:11:23,500
thing and now we have internet you don't
1618
02:11:23,500 --> 02:11:26,791
have to move from your seat
1619
02:11:26,791 --> 02:11:29,083
or your bed or whatever you
1620
02:11:29,625 --> 02:11:31,833
want to send an email you can be in the
1621
02:11:31,833 --> 02:11:33,125
comfortable place in
1622
02:11:33,125 --> 02:11:36,083
your house and send a lot of
1623
02:11:36,500 --> 02:11:39,208
emails and sometimes something will
1624
02:11:39,208 --> 02:11:42,500
happen i think i always says like i
1625
02:11:42,500 --> 02:11:49,625
how do you say when you do like a coin
1626
02:11:49,625 --> 02:11:52,541
with a coin flip a coin a
1627
02:11:52,541 --> 02:11:54,500
wish flip a coin a wish like
1628
02:11:55,125 --> 02:11:58,041
and make a wish yeah so i think i'm i
1629
02:11:58,041 --> 02:12:00,125
always like said like i'm
1630
02:12:00,125 --> 02:12:01,625
gonna put coins here like
1631
02:12:01,958 --> 02:12:07,583
i want these so yeah so just put a lot of
1632
02:12:07,583 --> 02:12:08,833
coins and make a lot of
1633
02:12:08,833 --> 02:12:10,958
wishes and be responsible of that
1634
02:12:11,125 --> 02:12:18,000
to or get in charge to it to whatever you
1635
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:20,333
are dreaming of yeah
1636
02:12:20,333 --> 02:12:21,833
yeah follow your intuition
1637
02:12:22,666 --> 02:12:24,458
probably just awesome great well thank
1638
02:12:24,458 --> 02:12:25,458
dennis thanks so much
1639
02:12:25,458 --> 02:12:26,541
for coming on the show
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catch the series uh on youtube and uh and
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we'll definitely be coming
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back and having some more
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talk to the later later on okay thanks
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again dennis thank you
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very much bye thank you dennis
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for joining us on today's episode of the
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beyond jaws podcast was
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great to have you on dave
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02:12:44,666 --> 02:12:47,208
what a wonderful story that she had like
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02:12:47,208 --> 02:12:48,166
just going through and
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02:12:48,166 --> 02:12:50,000
getting experience i just i
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02:12:50,041 --> 02:12:52,083
love the story about the underwater
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02:12:52,083 --> 02:12:53,583
painter who knew that you
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02:12:53,583 --> 02:12:54,916
could paint underwater i mean
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02:12:54,916 --> 02:12:57,291
that is that's an incredible story just
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02:12:57,291 --> 02:12:58,625
in itself you know
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02:12:58,625 --> 02:12:59,750
something i talk about once
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02:12:59,750 --> 02:13:01,083
a while when i get when i give public
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talks about how
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sometimes you you meet somebody
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02:13:04,500 --> 02:13:06,625
on your journey you never expect to meet
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02:13:06,625 --> 02:13:08,583
and dennis was probably
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02:13:08,583 --> 02:13:09,916
one of the best stories we've
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02:13:09,916 --> 02:13:13,083
heard and that thing she basically made a
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painter on the beach who
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02:13:14,916 --> 02:13:16,541
inspired her and that's where
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02:13:16,750 --> 02:13:19,708
her career in terms of diving filming
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02:13:19,708 --> 02:13:21,500
underwater becoming really
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02:13:21,500 --> 02:13:23,458
one becoming one of peru's first
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02:13:23,708 --> 02:13:26,541
underwater camerawoman really yeah so
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02:13:26,541 --> 02:13:27,666
real pioneer in that way
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02:13:27,666 --> 02:13:28,666
and it was really from a
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02:13:29,125 --> 02:13:32,083
painter she met on the beach who who
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02:13:32,083 --> 02:13:33,041
wanted who talked about
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02:13:33,041 --> 02:13:34,625
underwater and that was just
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02:13:34,916 --> 02:13:37,041
that's that was an amazing story she told
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02:13:37,041 --> 02:13:38,000
i in fact i didn't even
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02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:39,791
know of the time i spent with
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02:13:39,791 --> 02:13:41,291
her knowing a little bit about background
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02:13:41,291 --> 02:13:42,333
i didn't know that that's
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02:13:42,333 --> 02:13:43,541
what was really her inspiration
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02:13:44,166 --> 02:13:46,000
and she was you know much you know she
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02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,041
was in her mid-20s when
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02:13:48,041 --> 02:13:49,208
that happened there you know
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02:13:49,208 --> 02:13:52,166
and as i mentioned earlier she's this was
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02:13:52,166 --> 02:13:54,125
a process for her she didn't just decide
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02:13:54,666 --> 02:13:56,750
as a kid that i'm going to go do this she
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02:13:56,750 --> 02:13:57,500
she went through this
1689
02:13:57,500 --> 02:13:59,333
whole process i thought it was
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02:13:59,333 --> 02:14:01,208
interesting she talked about it her first
1691
02:14:01,208 --> 02:14:02,458
three years as a
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02:14:02,458 --> 02:14:04,333
journalist after college she was a
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02:14:04,541 --> 02:14:06,291
crime journalist reporting on crime
1694
02:14:06,291 --> 02:14:08,625
stories yeah yeah that
1695
02:14:08,625 --> 02:14:10,958
could that could uh that could
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02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:13,166
weigh a lot on you after a while just all
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02:14:13,166 --> 02:14:14,416
you're doing is talking about crime
1698
02:14:14,416 --> 02:14:15,583
reporting especially when you're a
1699
02:14:15,583 --> 02:14:17,250
young person just starting out you know
1700
02:14:17,250 --> 02:14:19,000
you're thinking yeah yeah
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02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:20,208
and then she just went in this
1702
02:14:20,208 --> 02:14:22,708
whole area getting into conservation that
1703
02:14:22,708 --> 02:14:23,833
her first trip to
1704
02:14:23,833 --> 02:14:25,500
antarctica i think really inspired
1705
02:14:25,500 --> 02:14:27,083
her she didn't really know what she was
1706
02:14:27,083 --> 02:14:28,875
doing she just went on this went to
1707
02:14:28,875 --> 02:14:30,541
antarctica and it turned
1708
02:14:30,541 --> 02:14:32,208
into an amazing thing and then she then
1709
02:14:32,208 --> 02:14:33,875
she kind of continued on her
1710
02:14:33,875 --> 02:14:35,000
journalism she started what
1711
02:14:35,000 --> 02:14:36,625
we're watching what the photographers
1712
02:14:36,625 --> 02:14:38,458
were doing yeah i guess
1713
02:14:38,458 --> 02:14:39,625
initially at the crime scenes they
1714
02:14:39,625 --> 02:14:41,125
were taking pictures of the crime scene
1715
02:14:41,125 --> 02:14:42,833
she was reporting on and
1716
02:14:42,833 --> 02:14:44,541
then she saw him doing wildlife
1717
02:14:45,000 --> 02:14:48,000
conservation stuff and then um one thing
1718
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:49,125
slowly led to another
1719
02:14:49,125 --> 02:14:50,458
and then she ended up
1720
02:14:50,666 --> 02:14:52,416
going back and doing a refresher course
1721
02:14:52,416 --> 02:14:55,000
and diving and just found
1722
02:14:55,000 --> 02:14:56,875
her passion as i thought
1723
02:14:56,875 --> 02:14:58,375
it was just a really really touching
1724
02:14:58,375 --> 02:15:00,958
story that she told oh i
1725
02:15:00,958 --> 02:15:03,666
agree i agree no it was phenomenal
1726
02:15:03,958 --> 02:15:05,500
and it still continues to be phenomenal
1727
02:15:05,500 --> 02:15:06,625
with you working with her
1728
02:15:06,625 --> 02:15:08,083
i think it's uh you know
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02:15:08,125 --> 02:15:10,375
just finding her through adriana and then
1730
02:15:10,375 --> 02:15:11,750
you went on to another
1731
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:13,541
project you know across the
1732
02:15:13,541 --> 02:15:15,833
world with her and and obviously she's
1733
02:15:15,833 --> 02:15:17,208
really easy going really
1734
02:15:17,208 --> 02:15:19,375
easy to work with uh and and
1735
02:15:19,375 --> 02:15:21,250
same with you and so it's like it's when
1736
02:15:21,250 --> 02:15:22,583
you have when you find
1737
02:15:22,583 --> 02:15:24,083
somebody like that where you can work
1738
02:15:24,083 --> 02:15:26,958
really well together in sometimes extreme
1739
02:15:26,958 --> 02:15:28,041
environments you know
1740
02:15:28,041 --> 02:15:28,833
where you're in dangerous
1741
02:15:28,833 --> 02:15:30,458
environments and stuff you can trust each
1742
02:15:30,458 --> 02:15:31,458
other you can like make
1743
02:15:31,458 --> 02:15:32,666
sure each you look out for each
1744
02:15:32,666 --> 02:15:34,250
other uh and i think that's really
1745
02:15:34,250 --> 02:15:36,083
important and it shows in her work as
1746
02:15:36,083 --> 02:15:37,375
somebody who's seen her
1747
02:15:37,375 --> 02:15:39,375
work uh you know a lot because i'm
1748
02:15:39,375 --> 02:15:41,333
working with it doing the editing um
1749
02:15:41,333 --> 02:15:42,291
she's really great she
1750
02:15:42,291 --> 02:15:43,833
loves the story you know that's what
1751
02:15:43,833 --> 02:15:45,958
that's what it's now she's not just a
1752
02:15:45,958 --> 02:15:47,041
videographer she's a
1753
02:15:47,041 --> 02:15:48,500
journalist and she loves telling the
1754
02:15:48,500 --> 02:15:50,083
stories and she loves guiding
1755
02:15:50,083 --> 02:15:51,291
us with the story and i think
1756
02:15:51,291 --> 02:15:52,916
it's it's phenomenal and she's done a
1757
02:15:52,916 --> 02:15:54,208
great job yeah continue to
1758
02:15:54,208 --> 02:15:56,291
do a wonderful job so i think
1759
02:15:56,291 --> 02:15:58,416
oh yeah yeah oh yeah no she's really good
1760
02:15:58,416 --> 02:16:00,208
and i think uh you know it
1761
02:16:00,208 --> 02:16:01,125
kind of helps me out because
1762
02:16:01,125 --> 02:16:02,375
she's really good about doing social
1763
02:16:02,375 --> 02:16:04,583
media along the way which helped out a
1764
02:16:04,583 --> 02:16:05,958
lot um yeah she was good
1765
02:16:06,125 --> 02:16:08,916
yeah um and then sometimes one point
1766
02:16:08,916 --> 02:16:10,125
sometime later on we'll have
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02:16:10,125 --> 02:16:11,708
we'll have on her and maybe
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02:16:11,708 --> 02:16:13,500
a couple of people to talk about we
1769
02:16:13,500 --> 02:16:15,958
touched on a little bit about some of the
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02:16:15,958 --> 02:16:17,166
things you encounter
1771
02:16:17,166 --> 02:16:18,958
we talked about particularly in Ecuador
1772
02:16:18,958 --> 02:16:20,666
and Peru dealing with the
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02:16:20,666 --> 02:16:22,750
mafia setting these places here
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02:16:22,750 --> 02:16:24,791
and it's just things you don't think
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02:16:24,791 --> 02:16:25,583
about when you're a young
1776
02:16:25,583 --> 02:16:26,958
person starting out like i'm going
1777
02:16:26,958 --> 02:16:28,958
to go start starting i mean it's we we
1778
02:16:28,958 --> 02:16:30,208
laugh a little about but
1779
02:16:30,208 --> 02:16:31,708
careful at the time and again
1780
02:16:31,791 --> 02:16:33,333
we were in touch with you andus you kind
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02:16:33,333 --> 02:16:35,291
of knew at the time you guys were
1782
02:16:35,291 --> 02:16:36,791
concerned yeah we were
1783
02:16:36,791 --> 02:16:39,166
kind of concerned concern yeah there's
1784
02:16:39,166 --> 02:16:41,125
definitely concern so uh uh
1785
02:16:41,125 --> 02:16:42,291
so but that's the stuff people
1786
02:16:42,291 --> 02:16:44,666
don't often think about but it's but uh
1787
02:16:44,666 --> 02:16:45,916
denise spinner trooper
1788
02:16:45,916 --> 02:16:47,041
and the whole thing and uh
1789
02:16:47,791 --> 02:16:50,291
uh and yeah so we'll have her back on
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02:16:50,291 --> 02:16:51,458
talk about some of the other future
1791
02:16:51,458 --> 02:16:52,666
episodes we have on the
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02:16:52,666 --> 02:16:54,625
thing and kind of give her experience
1793
02:16:54,625 --> 02:16:55,750
from filming from behind
1794
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:57,125
the camera because you're
1795
02:16:57,125 --> 02:16:58,166
not you're not really going to see her
1796
02:16:58,166 --> 02:16:59,375
too much in front of the
1797
02:16:59,375 --> 02:17:00,083
camera because she's doing all the
1798
02:17:00,125 --> 02:17:03,375
filming so right exactly anyway yeah so
1799
02:17:03,375 --> 02:17:04,458
anyway but it's now it's a
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02:17:04,458 --> 02:17:07,541
good yeah it was a good episode
1801
02:17:07,541 --> 02:17:10,541
crazy well yeah great episode and uh
1802
02:17:10,541 --> 02:17:11,458
looking forward to seeing
1803
02:17:11,458 --> 02:17:12,958
more from her and hearing more
1804
02:17:12,958 --> 02:17:15,625
from her and and obviously seeing her her
1805
02:17:15,625 --> 02:17:17,166
videos and and diving into
1806
02:17:17,166 --> 02:17:19,333
the the australian data and
1807
02:17:19,333 --> 02:17:21,625
then east team more data and indonesia
1808
02:17:21,625 --> 02:17:23,000
and all sorts of places you
1809
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:24,333
guys went to so i'm looking
1810
02:17:24,375 --> 02:17:26,916
forward to that now uh we're gonna be
1811
02:17:26,916 --> 02:17:28,500
we're by the time this is
1812
02:17:28,500 --> 02:17:31,250
published the the first episode
1813
02:17:31,375 --> 02:17:34,458
of the lost sharks will be out so uh
1814
02:17:34,458 --> 02:17:36,541
check that out you know go to youtube
1815
02:17:36,541 --> 02:17:37,208
i'll put in the link
1816
02:17:37,208 --> 02:17:39,333
so you can you guys can check it out let
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02:17:39,333 --> 02:17:40,916
us know what you how you feel put the
1818
02:17:40,916 --> 02:17:42,583
comments in uh on the
1819
02:17:42,583 --> 02:17:44,208
youtube channel we'd love to hear how you
1820
02:17:44,208 --> 02:17:45,500
feel and tell other people
1821
02:17:45,500 --> 02:17:46,708
what you love about it and so
1822
02:17:46,708 --> 02:17:49,666
forth so uh check that out uh and uh
1823
02:17:49,666 --> 02:17:50,416
we're i'm gonna put the
1824
02:17:50,416 --> 02:17:52,875
links to denise's website as well
1825
02:17:52,916 --> 02:17:54,500
as instagram page so that you can check
1826
02:17:54,500 --> 02:17:55,875
out her work in case you
1827
02:17:55,875 --> 02:17:56,958
ever need a videographer
1828
02:17:57,541 --> 02:17:59,000
and dave if people want to get a hold of
1829
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:00,708
you how they do so uh you
1830
02:18:00,708 --> 02:18:02,125
the instagram is probably the
1831
02:18:02,125 --> 02:18:04,708
best way just follow me there i i'm also
1832
02:18:04,708 --> 02:18:06,291
on facebook and x and on
1833
02:18:06,291 --> 02:18:08,000
linkedin but probably instagram
1834
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:10,041
would be the best place to follow me on
1835
02:18:10,041 --> 02:18:12,541
perfect and then for us
1836
02:18:12,541 --> 02:18:14,000
it's beyond jaws pod and go to
1837
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,583
our youtube channel subscribe uh and uh
1838
02:18:16,583 --> 02:18:17,541
i'll put the link so this
1839
02:18:17,541 --> 02:18:19,125
the just to let you guys know
1840
02:18:19,541 --> 02:18:21,250
that the lost sharks video is going out
1841
02:18:21,250 --> 02:18:22,541
on dave's youtube channel
1842
02:18:22,541 --> 02:18:24,041
not the beyond jaws pod so
1843
02:18:24,250 --> 02:18:26,500
we'll link to that specifically so don't
1844
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:27,416
just go thinking that
1845
02:18:27,416 --> 02:18:28,500
you're going to see it at the
1846
02:18:28,500 --> 02:18:31,791
beyond jaws podcast page so yeah uh go to
1847
02:18:31,791 --> 02:18:33,125
the lost sharks guys page
1848
02:18:33,125 --> 02:18:34,250
so that i'll put that in
1849
02:18:34,416 --> 02:18:36,541
in the show notes as well but thanks dave
1850
02:18:36,541 --> 02:18:37,500
very much and thank you
1851
02:18:37,500 --> 02:18:38,500
denise we really appreciate
1852
02:18:38,500 --> 02:18:39,625
you coming on looking forward to having
1853
02:18:39,625 --> 02:18:41,125
you back on and for all of
1854
02:18:41,125 --> 02:18:42,083
you out there thank you for
1855
02:18:42,083 --> 02:18:44,250
listening we love having you on this
1856
02:18:44,250 --> 02:18:45,833
podcast and having you listen
1857
02:18:45,833 --> 02:18:47,250
and your comments are always
1858
02:18:47,541 --> 02:18:49,041
always welcome and feedback is always
1859
02:18:49,041 --> 02:18:50,041
welcome so thank you very
1860
02:18:50,041 --> 02:18:52,125
much for that and this has been
1861
02:18:52,125 --> 02:18:53,583
another episode of the beyond jaws
1862
02:18:53,583 --> 02:18:55,333
podcast thank you so much for
1863
02:18:55,333 --> 02:18:56,625
joining us from dave and i we
1864
02:18:56,625 --> 02:18:58,333
really appreciate you have a great day
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02:18:58,333 --> 02:18:58,958
we'll talk to you next
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time and happy conservation
