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really cool video that I saw. It was a teacher teaching kids. It looked like boys at

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so those were the only things that this child could step on. He

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said, your goal of this exercise, give me a high five by only

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stepping on the pieces of paper. Pieces of paper were really short and

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close to each other. And there were numerous ones. It was like five or six. The boy stepped

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on each piece of paper as he got closer to the teacher. And

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when he got to the last one, he gave the high five. now he kind of put it

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to all the other kids like how do you think friend will do if

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i take out a piece of paper so he takes out a piece of paper which

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lengthens the space between each piece of paper and so

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the child does it again he has some that are easier and then he has to make a large leap

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at the end he makes it High five. And then he does

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it again. He takes out another piece, but this time he takes out two pieces of paper. So now

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there's only like three pieces of paper. There's one at the beginning, one in the middle, and

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one at the end. So the kid jumps. He barely makes it to the middle, barely makes it

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to the end, but he still makes it. Boom. High five. Now he takes away

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the middle. And he's like, look at how long you have to go before you

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can reach the goal of giving me the high five. And there's a

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big space. There's probably about five feet of space, which is really difficult to

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jump from the beginning to the end without running up. So it's really difficult

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to jump five feet. I don't know if I could jump five feet. There's no way I could. The moral of

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that story was if you want to get to the goal of giving your

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teacher a high five, whatever that goal might be, it might be a big house.

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It might be playing in the NBA or playing a professional sport.

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All those goals are great goals. But they're the end

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goal. That's the prize. It's really hard to

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get to the prize when you don't have other goals in

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the middle. Those are the pieces of paper. Each piece of paper signified

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the different goals. So as you started to hit the

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smaller goals you started to build towards the

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larger goal at the end. But if you don't have those small baby steps, it's

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really difficult to go from the beginning to the end, to the solution,

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to the goal, to the prize, without hitting those

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baby steps. And I think that's the same thing we have to think about with climate

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change. It's a great lesson for kids to learn, great lessons for adults to

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be reminded of, that you need to build up to get to

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that final goal. You need to take those steps in order

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to do something. Welcome back to another episode of the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast. On today's podcast, we're going to be talking about how

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lost some of us feel when we look at ocean conservation, especially

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when it comes to climate change. As I'm recording this, New York City

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Climate Change Week is happening. Also, there's

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a hurricane that's barreling down on Florida, category

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four record storm surges apparently, lots

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of wind, there's gonna be a lot of flash flooding. I

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hope people in the Florida, Georgia and Carolinas are

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gonna be okay. If you were told to evacuate, please evacuate

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as quickly as possible and be safe. But

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with that said, a lot of us feel lost and when we see storms like

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this happen, we see climate week happen and we're saying like, what are

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we doing? to actually reduce climate change. We

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hear from governments. We hear from people. We talk about

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it. Some people are still denying it. When you talk about how

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do we pay for it, how do we get everything done, it's very, very

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confusing. And who do you believe? What kind of opinions do

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you believe? And where do you go for information? So

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we're going to be talking about all of this stuff, and how to get over it, and how to

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get more informed on this episode of the How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast. Let's start the show. Hey

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everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm

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your host Andrew Lewin, and this is the podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean,

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how you could speak up for the ocean, what you can do to live for a better ocean

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by taking action. And for the past nine and a half years,

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I've been producing this podcast. At first it was Speak Up for Blue, then it was

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Speak Up for the Ocean Blue, and now it's How to Protect the Ocean. so that

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you can get more information on the ocean so you don't feel this overwhelm

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that sometimes we feel when we see massive storms like

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the Hurricane Helen that we're seeing right now. When we see

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these massive solutions or

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supposed solutions like the Paris Accord or we see these conferences like

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Our Ocean and New York City Climate Week, And

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we wonder, what's actually being done? Are we doing enough

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to ensure that we are reducing climate change, to ensure that

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we are addressing climate change, and we are adapting to

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climate change, especially those who are most vulnerable? And that is

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the difficult part. That's where a lot of people get lost. They

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watch stuff or they listen to things and it's really depressing and

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you get a lot of doom and gloom type of material out there. And then

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you're just sitting here and you're just like, I don't know, I give up. I have no idea.

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feel as though if everybody just stopped and said, hey, you know what, we just

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got to forget it. then it's not worthwhile. I

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think that's a lot of problem. And I think the first thing we have to address when

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we feel lost is misinformation. There's

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a plethora of misinformation online and wherever you

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can look for information, whether it's on TV, depending on the

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TikTok, YouTube, these podcasts, like all

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these other podcast shows that have this questioning

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of conservation and climate change and whether it's

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really worth to actually do anything. And a lot of the misinformation in

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the past has happened and started with fossil fuel

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companies. They would hire these PR firms, they

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would have a strategy, and they would spin this narrative that

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would be easy to understand and get in the minds

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of people, whether it be through newspaper back then, or radio,

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or TV, or celebrities, and say, hey, you know what? And

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politicians especially, climate change doesn't really exist. We're all

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just kind of freaking out. All these scientists are freaking out. Some politicians are freaking

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out. But really what it is, it's just the natural changes

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in the climate. It's happened for years. We've only really been studying

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for 100 years, so we only know what's for the last

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100 years, which is false, because the studies that have been done have

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dated back millions and millions, hundreds of millions of years,

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and we're able to see how the climate and

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how the planet has changed over time. That's the beauty of

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science. And to be honest, a lot of

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people don't have the time to look up all the science. A

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lot of people don't have the ability to even understand

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some of the science. Because some of it's really complicated. Sometimes I

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look at climate models and I'm just like, I have no idea what this is about. I'll

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look at the primary literature. I'm like, I have no idea what this is about. And I've

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studied science for a long time. Some of it's really complicated. But

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others, it's a little easier to understand. And to be honest, one of the reasons why

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I started this podcast was to help take that complex information, the

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ones that I understand, and be able to explain it to you so

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that you are more informed about the ocean, so that you can make better

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decisions surrounding the oceans and speak it up to other people. that's

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really the point and so the goal of what

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you should be looking for is you should be looking for sources

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of information that you know you can trust and by trusting

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is that people are providing evidence whether it's be

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through speaking to experts like scientists or

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know like that's what you're looking for journal articles and so forth that

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have been peer-reviewed have been gone through the the most strict

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criticism process that you've ever seen it's ridiculous

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how critical scientists can be of each other because

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we're taught to be critical that's what we're taught to do because

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you have to to be. You have to question, you know, when you see a

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scientific study in front of you, you got to question the scientific study to make sure that

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it passes the vigor of what the scientific process is as we

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know and love and learn when we're in school. And

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you, you know, when the final product comes out, you

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know that's the product like the study has gone through the criticisms gone

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through people looking it over not just the editors of the of

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the magazine that it's in the journal article but also other colleagues who

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have looked it over and if they don't agree they write a response in

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the next issue and then there's a little bit of a beef going on in

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terms of the science not personal but it's in science sometimes it

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spills into personal But there is information that continues to

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go back and forth to make sure that we're bettering the studies, we're bettering the science, and

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we're bettering our understanding of the science. And

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that's how the scientific process works in today's world. The

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problem is when it gets outside the scientific community and it gets into sort

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of the places where you and I consume information. And

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that could be on social media, that could be on TV, that could be on radio. There

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are a lot of places that it could be. And it just depends on

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who is providing that information. The source of that information

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really is important here. Right? It's important to

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start to look at, you know, somebody all of a sudden comes up with a

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new scientific process to explain something. You

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need to go through that scientific process in your mind. Like, where's

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the evidence? Where are they gone? Has it been accepted into the wider

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scientific study? Now, there are times where scientists get

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it wrong. Doesn't happen all the time. So when

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you look at a study or you hear stuff and you hear scientists speak on

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something, it's usually because it's been out in the literature for quite some time

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or it's a new study or a new discovery that's happened and that we need to

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get it out into the open. But talking to scientists, listening

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to scientists on podcasts like this and other podcasts out there

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that have to do with marine biology or science or anything like that is

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really important. It's really important to get information straight

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so forth that are reputable, that have the reputation to say,

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hey, you know what? They provide really great information. They

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provide really great programs, governments, and so forth. You need

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to trust in them that they are giving you

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the right information. And I know there are some of you who have a little bit

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of the conspiracy theorists in you, but not everything is a conspiracy

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theorist. The theory, it is science, a lot of it

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science, a lot of it is science based and some of the decisions are science

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based, not all the time. We just covered an episode last episode

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about the cod fishery and how politicians weren't getting it right and taking

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risks where we should be conservative in a scientific opinion,

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not just mine, but also the own government scientists who

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do the information, work up the information. So, getting

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back to my point and not getting too much on the tangent, when it comes

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to misinformation, making sure that you are looking at sources that

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are correct, sources that can be trusted. And you should be questioning

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each and every one of them. And if they provide evidence, then you can

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be like, okay, now I'm starting to get to know this thing and

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now we're starting to get somewhere. So that's important as well, right?

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the right sources is extremely important. Trying to tell the right sources, you

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look for evidence-based, evidence that's given when somebody's trying

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to put something together. If there's no evidence and it's just conjecture, that's

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exactly what it is. It's just conjecture. Somebody proposing their

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theory of what they think happens, but it's not always right. So

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the source matters, the magazine matters, the website matters, all

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of it matters to make sure that it's a reputable place that puts out

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good scientific information and people as well, like myself. I've

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been called out before on covering some stories and I've come back and I'm like, you

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know what, you're right, like I never thought of it that way. Here's some

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evidence to back it up. And this is why I was wrong when I first said

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something. And I think that's really important to understand and

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take the responsibility for putting out misinformation by

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accident or not understanding an issue properly and being transparent with

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your audience. If you have that, then you're looking at a really

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good source. And I think that's really important. The

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other thing is that you're taking in so much doom and gloom that

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you just feel apathetic towards a

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topic, say climate change. We hear the doom and

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gloom. We hear about the hurricanes. We hear about the flooding. We hear about the droughts. We

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hear about the wildfires. What else do we hear? Increased

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storms. a lot of And

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it's very dire out there and it's something that we need to continue

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to get on and act. But we can't have people who

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are listening to information on doom and gloom always just feel

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so apathetic that they're just gonna stop listening to the information. They're gonna go

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somewhere it's happy. After listening to things that

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a big hip hop fan and the news coming

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out of Puff Daddy, P Diddy, Diddy, whatever

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his name is, the allegations that are coming out

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about him and the lifestyle that he's led and the disgusting things that

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he may or may have allegedly done, It's

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taken up a lot of my time. I'll tell you what, it's taken up a lot of my time

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listening to interviews, listening to conjecture, listening to rumors,

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and you're just kind of like, wow, all

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this negative talk really makes me look at the world differently. Some

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of the stuff that's come out could change the way we view musicians

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that have been some of our favorite musicians in the past, as well as some of

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our favorite actors in the past. This goes pretty deep, if everything is

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true, and it makes me think, This

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is really bad. This is horrible stuff that's coming

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out. The way some of these people have been treated is absolutely awful.

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and it affects your mindset. That's all you think about.

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It's like another, that's a real life situation, but it's like

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some of the times when we watch a TV show like Criminal Minds or Law

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and Order SVU, if you got into that a little bit and

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you start to watch it on a daily basis now with the ability to

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binge, you start binging things and you're just like, the

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world is a little messed up. Even though these are stories, the

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world is a little messed up. And it's affecting the way I think about

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life in general. Well, that's the same thing that happens with doom and

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gloom stories constantly being told to you by

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different types of media and by different types of way you consume information. And

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so you're always hearing the doom and gloom of the ocean, the doom and gloom of climate change,

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the doom and gloom of plastic pollution. Well, there are optimistic

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and there are good news stories out there about the

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ocean. And it's up to us like the communicators

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to get that information to you and it's for up to you to consume that

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information. It's okay to consume good news. And

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there are a lot of creators out there, especially on TikTok I've seen where

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they're sharing, like they've got this post and it's like you swipe across to

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a couple of different images and they just summarize these

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stories, these good news stories about climate, these good news stories

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or climate reduction or action and these good news stories on ocean action

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and you just kind of feel good about yourself. You're like, oh, there are some good projects that

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are going on in the world. I may want to know a little bit more, so I'll dive deeper

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into it. But for the most part, it's pretty cool that

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there are some good stories that are happening. It's pretty cool that there's some

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optimism that's happening. And to be honest, a lot of the times I

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find those stories and I put them on this podcast. It's one of the reasons why

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I started this podcast was so that we can get information to

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you, the audience, you who are listening to this, who are looking for that information,

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not always doom and gloom. And you can see that there are fishing villages that

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put a climate bank together, their own climate savings, where

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they You know, they contribute a certain amount of

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money per month or however it works. And then so

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that when there's something that catastrophic that happens where they

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fish, marine protected areas destroyed, they have

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to wait to rebuild that. They can't fish until they

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rebuild that. But in the meantime, they can draw money

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from the savings that they've been contributing to, taking a little bit of

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money from their portions, and they can contribute to until that area

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rebuilds and is OK and safe to either, not

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the protected area, but around the protected area to fish again. Story

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like that are happening and there are organizations all around the

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world that are working with communities to make them more resilient

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against climate change, more resilient against these massive storms, more resilient

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against plastic pollution, sea level rise, all these things

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that are happening around the world that we don't know about because the

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mainstream media doesn't think it's important enough to

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actually put out. But that's the beauty of the internet is

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it democratizes the way we put out information. So if

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we want you to see projects that are happening around the world

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that are good news and that are building towards something bigger, we

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can do that. And that's what I try to do partly on

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this podcast is bring you the good news. Now, I have to talk about the

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doom and gloom stuff, right? Because it's important that we know and

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we're aware of it. But I always like to finish it off with ways we

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find solutions. with ways that people are working towards

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building a rapport, building a relationship with

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local communities, building a way that they can work together without

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being invasive, without being overbearing, and without

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taking information and not sharing it with that local community. Seeing

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that ocean justice being served, making sure people have a

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voice, making sure that conservation is not just

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about science, but it's about people as well. Mostly

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about people and how people manage their slice of the

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ocean. And that's the hope that

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it gives me. When I put out a story like that or I've just finished an

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interview where I talk to somebody about doing that, I

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feel great. I feel wonderful. And so what I

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do is I go out, I tell my wife, I tell my kids, I

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tell friends, I tell my mom, I'm like, hey, There's this cool project out

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and I want to talk to you about it. And then I put it out on the podcast and then people

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are like, wow, I didn't know this was happening. I'm so happy that it's happened. Now

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I'm in a happier mood and I feel good about the ocean. When you feel good

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about something, you get all this optimism, not all the time, but when you get this optimism,

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you start to want to chip in. You start to want to feel good

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about helping out and where you can do, maybe volunteer with

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an organization, maybe volunteer with like a marine life center

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or volunteer at a museum or volunteer in an educational facility

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to teach other people how they can protect the ocean

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or how they can protect the planet, how they can reduce climate change

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either on an individual level or on a volunteer level. Get

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involved with local organizations where you organize

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or work with people who are organizing riverside cleanups

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and coastal cleanups and beach cleanups where you're taking away plastic

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pollution and any kind of pollution that is solid that you can take away

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to ensure that those areas are clean. Those

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areas can go through their natural processes and we can see

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a healthy, nice ocean coastline or river coastline

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or lake coastline. Those are really important,

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not just for sort of the vanity of

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it all, but also for the healthy functioning of those ecosystems,

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of those habitats. That's extremely important. We don't get

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enough of that. We get a lot of bad news. We don't get a lot of good news where we

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can take action. We feel like we want to take action. That's

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what we hope here on this podcast, what I hope to inspire you

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to do is to take action. whether it be on an individual level

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or whether it be on a level where you vote or you work with organizations to help

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other people vote, or you start to get out and work with,

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uh, volunteer with, you know, politicians who are doing great

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things for the ocean and for the planet. That's what I hope that

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this podcast does is inspire you to, to go out there

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and change the way you think of the ocean and change the way how

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your lifestyle affects the ocean or

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influences the ocean. That's the goal. And

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that's what I hope you get out of this podcast. Like the first thing, like

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you've already done the first step. Anytime I talk to

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an expert, I have a guest on, I always ask them like, what do you think people can do? And

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the big thing people say is educate yourself. Find

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out what's happening with the ocean. Find out the cool things that are happening and

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find out some of the not so cool things that are happening. right and

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inject yourself where you can to be able to

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provide value for the ocean whether that be in a donation to

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support a charity or support a non-profit organization whether

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it be to volunteer your time to do so whether being a board of

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director or actively going out and doing cleanups and

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making sure your area or local area is really good. I

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think that's making sure that you participate and feel

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good about the ocean so that you can participate to be like, hey, you know what? I

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know we have a problem, but I want

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to make sure that I'm doing my

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part to get it cleaned up, to get it fixed. Yeah,

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you're only one person out of eight billion, but if more people feel this

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way, then that's great. That's

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what's really important. The other thing I want to cover, the last

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thing I want to cover is I saw this post on

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LinkedIn. And it was someone who had just attended a

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couple of sessions at New York City Climate Week. And

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they were saying how they saw this project, a couple of projects that were being

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sort of exposed or being shared at one

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of the sessions during Climate Week, the New York City Climate Week.

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And there is saying that a lot of times when we get caught

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up in climate change, and this is one of the reasons why I did this episode today,

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is when we look at climate change, there's a lot to handle. It's

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a big issue with multiple layers of consequence, and

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it's complex. So we always think

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about climate change globally. And when we think about globally, we're like, what can I

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do as one of eight billion to help out globally? But

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that's a hard pill to swallow. But

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this post was like, it's good to really think about when

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climate change first came out, it was like, think globally, there

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was a saying, think globally, act locally. That

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was a saying. It was like, if we want to make an

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impact globally, we had to take baby

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steps. We can't reduce climate change on a global

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level unless we start reducing it locally. And

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that means everywhere. I've got, I've have the opportunity to

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speak to people every episode who are all around the world,

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many different countries over, I think 90 to a hundred different

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countries have listened to this podcast over the last 10 years or

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nine and a half years, almost a 10. I

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have that opportunity to sort of influence you and help

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you think about the ocean by providing you that information and all of a sudden, you

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can start acting locally that will take those baby steps towards

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going to our final goal which is thinking globally. There's

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a really cool video that I saw. This is the last point I'm going to make. It

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has to do with this one but there's a really cool video that I saw. It was a teacher teaching

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kids. It looked like boys at a school and they look like

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elementary school level, maybe grade 6, maybe grade 7, maybe

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even younger. And the teacher set

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out these different pieces of paper along the floor. And

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so those were the only things that this child, the child that was going up,

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could step on. And what he did, he said, your goal

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of this exercise is, and the teacher stood at the opposite end

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of the pieces of paper of where he was. So there was probably about four or five different pieces of

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paper. So the kid stood at the beginning, and the teacher stood at the

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end. Your goal is to come over here, give me a high five by only

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stepping on the pieces of paper. So the pieces of paper were

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really short and close to each other. And there were numerous ones, there was like five

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or six. And so the child stepped on each,

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the boy stepped on each piece of paper as he

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got closer to the teacher. And when he got to the last one, gave the high

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five. Great, no problem. So now

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you kind of put it to all the other kids, like, how do you think The

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boy will do, your friend will do, if I take out a piece

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of paper. So he takes out a piece of paper, which lengthens the

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space between each piece of paper. And so the child does

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it again. He has some that are easier, and then he has to make a large leap at

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the end. And he makes it. High five. No problem.

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I keep hitting the mic when I give myself a high five. Sorry about that. And

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then he does it again, and he takes out another piece of paper. This time he takes out two pieces of paper.

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So now there's only like three pieces of paper. There's one at the beginning, one

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in the middle, and one at the end. So the kid jumps, and he barely makes

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it to the middle, barely makes it to the end, but he still makes it. Boom. High

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five. Didn't hit the mic. Nice. Now he takes away

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the middle. And he's like, now do it.

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And he's like, look at how long you have to go before you can

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reach the goal of giving me the high five. And

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there's a big space. There's probably about five feet of space, which is really difficult

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to jump in space, like from the beginning to

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the end without running up. There's no room to take a run at

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it. And this is a younger child, so it's really difficult

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to jump five feet. I don't know if I could jump five feet. There's no way I could. So

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he's just said, the moral of that story was the fact that

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if you want to get to the goal of giving your teacher a high five, whatever

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that goal might be, it might be a big house,

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it might be playing in the NBA, or playing a professional sport,

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it might be a music career, it might be a family,

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and having a, marrying your partner and having a family.

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All those goals are great goals, but they're the end

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goal. You could have multiple goals, but that's the end

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goal, that's the prize. And it's

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really hard to get to the prize when you don't have

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other goals in the middle. Those are the pieces of paper. So

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each piece of paper signified the different goals.

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So as you started to hit the smaller goals, you started to

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build towards the larger goal at the end. So

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as you started to hit that, basically

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climb that ladder to get to that final goal, that's

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how you do it. But if you don't have those small baby steps, it's really difficult

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to go from the beginning to the end, to the solution, to the

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goal, to the prize without hitting those baby

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steps. And I think that's the same thing we have

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to think about with climate change. It's a great lesson for kids to learn, great

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lessons for adults to be reminded of, that you need to build up

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to get to that final goal. You need to take those steps in

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order to do something. So the first step you would take as You

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know, someone who's new to ocean conservation and climate change

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reduction is to look inwards and look at

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what you can do on an individual level. And it may not have an impact on

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a larger scale, may not reduce climate change, may not be your final goal,

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but that would be it. That would be what you need to look

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at when you are looking towards your final goal. You need

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to start with yourself. Reduce plastic pollution, your

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own plastic pollution, right? Go to, you know, multiple

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use plastics or stay away from single use

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plastics, right? Start to look at reusable stuff. Like,

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you know, all these things can be done. There's so many ways we could talk about

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this in other episodes. Then you start to look at the next step

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and that could be like, who can I volunteer with that will have a bigger impact? Who

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can I support? Whether it be a monetary value or volunteer value,

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right? Your time. Whether it be on a board of directors, or like

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I said, on the ground doing some field work or doing some

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cleanups. Then you build bigger, like who do I vote for? Who represents

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protecting the ocean that are my values? I want them to

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have the same values. Those are the people I'm gonna vote for, or that's the person I'm

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gonna vote for, depending on the election and what level, what scale

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the election's at, state, federal, or local, right? Then

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you just keep building from there. Maybe dedicate part of your career to it. There's

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so many things you can do. before you get to that level,

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before we get, and then everybody has their own journey. And nobody's

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the same, and it doesn't have to be the same. There's no right or wrong way

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to go about doing it. But those steps, you've

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gotta take those baby steps to get to the final goal. Understanding that

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is a huge deal. And I want you to really understand.

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If you feel lost, just realize it's not gonna be solved tomorrow.

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It's not gonna be solved 50 years from now. It's gonna take a lot of

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time. And I hope we start to see that reduction happen,

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but it takes the baby steps to get to that point. And

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once we get there, then progress is going to continue to make. We don't stop there.

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We continue to do it to start to see and chip off those pieces to

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see that end goal happen, especially when you want to reduce climate change and

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protect the ocean. That can be done, but we need to take small baby steps.

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And that's sort of the lessons that I have

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kind of seen and observed and taken throughout my journey

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to live for a better ocean. That's the goal. So

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I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. This is something that we're

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building a community here. It's not just an audience listening to this podcast. This

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is the start of a conversation. I would love to hear your

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thoughts and continue that conversation. So please feel free

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to reach out. You can comment on Spotify on

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you can just DM me at how to protect the ocean it's the

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name of this podcast all one word I would love to

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hear your thoughts on how you're protecting the ocean and the baby steps that

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you're taking to get there and and where you think you need to go next because

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that's what we talk about when we talk about as a community share

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those ideas so that other people can benefit and you can learn something as

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well that's it for today's episode if you want to learn more

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Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm your host, Andrew Lewin. Have a great day. We'll