From Exploration to Ocean Solutions: How OceanX is Changing the Narrative on Ocean Conservation

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Many of the aspiring marine biologists, or even early-career marine

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biologists, or even late-career marine biologists, or mid-career marine biologists

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like myself, the

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ocean. fact

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a lot of us when we were growing up got inspired by the Jacques

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Cousteau's and the David Attenborough's and the Shark Week's

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and the National Geographic's and all the different documentary type

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shows where we actually saw and got inspired like

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you know what that's what I want to do when I grow up. But

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we're gonna hear from OceanX and talking about how inspiration

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can lead towards solution to the ocean. And

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OceanX, if you don't know, is an organization, a nonprofit organization

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that explores the ocean and brings that exploration to you

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right in your living room or right in your bed or wherever you're watching on

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your phone or on your iPad, wherever you can see National Geographic

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or a program on BBC like Blue Planet, This is

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OceanX bringing you the stuff that they see each and every

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day. And I have Vincent Parabon who is the Co-CEO

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and Chief Science Officer on OceanX to

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be able to talk to you about what the message that

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OceanX wants to do in the future. They've been really Looking forward

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to bringing you, you know, the best the very best of Media

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that they can provide on Ocean X some of my good friends. Dr

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Nathan Robinson and Melissa Marquez have been on the

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shows on Ocean X and been able to show what that boat

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can do Also what they can do from the boat and be able

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to get all that information to you not only for science But

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and for governments but to you so we're gonna talk about a little behind the scenes of

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Ocean X how it got started and and where it's going in

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terms of bringing you not only the wonderful things about the ocean, but

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the solutions so that we can protect the ocean. And it's not all doom and

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gloom. There's a lot of optimism to look forward to in the future.

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So let's start the show. Hey

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everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. I'm

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your host Andrew Lewin, and this is a podcast where you find out what's happening with the ocean, how

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you can speak up for the ocean, and what you can do to live for a better ocean

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by taking action. And on today's episode, it's a special

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one. It's a special one for me because I am honored to have Vincent

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Parabon on this program to talk about OceanX.

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Now, he is the co-CEO and the chief science officer.

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He's got the origin story of OceanX. He's got the

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passion about not only what OceanX brings, but what

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OceanX wants to bring in the future. So not only the media that

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they've built for this beautiful vessel that goes around the world

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and takes samples and does observations and does beautiful

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science so that they can help governments from all over

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the world Tackle what they need to tackle right for

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their governmental things essentially they have they need science

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or they need to collect data You know ocean X is there. That's what

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the vessels there do. That's what the organization is there to do That's what the

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people in the boat are there to do and they do amazing work plus

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they have a whole media side of it where they bring people where they

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bring the information to you or right to your tablet, your

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phone, your TV, in your living room, in your home, on

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the bus, on the train, wherever you're watching it from, you

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can get all this information on National Geographic, BBC, their

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YouTube channel, it's just everywhere, and it's great

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to be able to be inspired by that, because we've all been inspired

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by something that, like what OceanX is doing in the

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past, right? Before there was OceanX, there was Jacques Cousteau, there

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was David Attenborough, There was for Canada, David Suzuki.

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There are a lot of different people bringing, and of course, Dr. Silver, bringing

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the information that we see in the ocean, the beauty of the ocean to us

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in our homes. And I think that's what the benefit of

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media is. And when you have an independent organization, it's

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not part of any government, just like you do with OceanX, they can

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do a lot more and they can speak up a lot more. And they do, and

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it's really great. But they're not only just speaking up and waving the finger

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at governments or anything like that. What they're looking for is they're working to

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partner with people, with organizations, with governments to

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find solutions so that they can talk about

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solutions to you. They can bring the solutions to you and say, hey, you know what? There's

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hope for the ocean. It's not all doom and gloom. We're going to be able to get through a lot

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of this stuff, but we've got to start looking at building businesses, for-profit,

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non-profit. We've got to look at there's opportunity to make money in

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this so that people can actually profit off of saving the ocean,

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off of saving the planet. And these are big, big ideas

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and small ideas that will benefit the ocean, that will

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benefit this planet, that will benefit you and I. And

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I think that's what I love about the message that OceanX is

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going to bring in the future, and I'm looking forward to

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it. It's going to be a lot of fun, bringing you a little bit of behind the

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scenes and sort of the strategy that OceanX is

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doing through Vincent Parabon. I appreciate him giving his

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time to be able to talk to me. He came to us from Cape Verde. That's

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awesome. I think it's amazing. I'm looking forward to this interview. I

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hope you are too. So here's the interview with Vincent Perrone, co-CEO and

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Chief Science Officer of OceanX. Enjoy, and I will talk to you after.

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Hey, Vincent. Welcome to the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Are you

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ready to talk about OceanX? I am, Andrew. I

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am super excited for this because OceanX has been

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on like my top like five lists of people I

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wanted to interview and and organizations I want to get to know more of

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so I really appreciate you reaching out to be on

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the podcast, this is a true honor for me. We're

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gonna get into OceanX, just sort of like the origin story, the

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purpose of OceanX, what you guys do, some of the cool

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projects that you've done in the past, and maybe some that you can tease for

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the future. We're gonna get into all of that, but first, Vincent,

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I will. First of all, I just would like to say it's great to be here. I

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think what you do is terrific. Protecting the ocean is OceanX. So

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that's a good segue into the concept of OceanX. So

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OceanX, the quick origin story is

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that Ray Dalio and Mark Dalio, Ray being

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the father, Mark being the son, you

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know, began diving together when they were, when Ray was a bit

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older in life. And Ray was sort of inspired when he was young by Cousteau, but

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didn't think, I think, much about the ocean until later in life when he started diving

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with his sons. And, you know, he became aware that

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the ocean, first of all, it's magnificent, but that

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the world was not appreciating it as much and that there was a lot of troubles

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in the ocean, that there's a lot of problems with the ocean. And I

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think Ray just had one of those moments that Ray has where he decided let's

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try something here. Let's see if something happens and

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this ship a Lucia the original vessel that we had came on the market

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and Ray being a very spontaneous guy just said let's buy it and he's

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not a yacht guy. Right. So he's got small boats,

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but he's not like, I'll buy a yacht. So this thing came online and it was a research vessel,

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you know, he's like, okay, it's available. So without much thought, he bought

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it. I think, I don't want to say that, but he didn't, he bought it. He said, let's see

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if this works. And then he, he got together with a lot of

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interesting people at Woods Hole and learned about it.

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And his model was basically, I'm going to take this out and we're going

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to use it. And we're going to invite scientists to come on board. And

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so I met him very early on

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at the beginning of this because he did a few expeditions. And then I

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was at the time a scientist, a neuroscientist, and

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we were very interested in these glowing proteins that we use in

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the ocean. And so I had done some expeditions looking for these things.

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And we had this really good exhibition at the Museum of Natural History, and in

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it we had all this beautiful glowing things and bioluminescence

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and everything like that. So I was kind of working with the Museum of Natural History. And then Ray Dalio

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made a donation to the museum and said, here, here's

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some money and put out a request amongst your scientists if

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they want to come and do this kind of ocean work on

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the ship. So I get a call from my friends. I was kind of an adjunct there

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at the museum. And they said, you know, we've done these expeditions. You want to

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go work with this guy? I didn't know who he was or anything. I said, sure. So we put a, put

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a, put a application in, got the grant and, you

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know, worked for about six, eight months building equipment, all this kind of cool stuff.

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Went to the Solomon Islands with Ray on the boat, spent, spent

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about two and a half weeks there doing magnificent work in

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this beautiful place, science samples, everything. And then the last,

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last day or two, Ray showed up on the boat, went to see what was going on.

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Cause he kept hearing all these good things about it. So he came, and

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I met him, and we spent an evening together, like a dinner. He

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brought me up back on the boat. We were all staying on shore in Honieri. And

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I came back on the boat anyways, ate dinner with him, met him, just was like

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amazed by him as a person. You know, in all fairness, I really didn't know

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much about him. And I thought, ah, it's just another finance guy, you know? Yeah.

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But he has this very, very interesting way of

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thinking. He's written a lot about it. He's got a very principled, very organized

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thought process. And I came away thinking, this is a guy who's basically

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a scientist. He evaluates things and it's

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his logic. If you read the books, it's a lot about rational thought,

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which seemed to me, I said, it sounds like you're talking like a scientist here. And I

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think he has an affinity for the sciences, I really think, in another life. you

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know, he would have been a great scientist as well. Anyway, so

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he and I began like a friendship that lasted several

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years where he would invite me out on the boat, done some expeditions and

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some other things to see how things were going and we sort of became friends over the

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next couple of years. And then at one point he just said, you

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know, hey, do you want to join, you know, this organization at the time

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is called Aleutia Productions. And I said, you

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know, I got a job. I'm a professor, full-time neuroscience professor. What

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do I know about the ocean? And he said, well, we've got a head on you

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for science, so why don't you come and join? So I joined the program around

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2017, full-time as an employee, but I met him back in 13. And

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he said, oh, you're in charge of the whole thing. And I was like, OK, that's shocking. So

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I was still at the classroom. We may not be testing today. Um,

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but he said, you know, come on and let's do this thing. And then immediately he said, let's,

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let's buy a new boat. We need a bigger boat, you know? So, so that became the

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sort of vision. And what he said to me was, and what I learned on

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the boat was that he, he really felt that. the

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science of the ocean needed a visual component to

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it. It needed a way to translate it. I

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remember him saying, there's a lot of science papers published about

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the world, and yet the world doesn't listen.

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I remember thinking to myself that year there was something like 11,000 papers

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published on climate. And why are we still, you know,

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the science, you know, I'll say this and probably nobody want to hear it,

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but the science around climate is pretty settled, right? We know what's going

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on. And a lot of ocean themes, unfortunately, the science of

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human inflicted problems is settled. Now, oceanography is

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not settled, but what we're doing to the ocean is settled. We shouldn't, we're

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overfishing, we're polluting plastic, but you know it, the list, right?

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So doing more science on the impact of that is important, but

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Solutions are the most important thing at this point and getting the word out

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and letting people know that this is not going well and we have to change. So

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OceanX was really built to first and foremost

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to celebrate the ocean, to make sure that the old quote,

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you don't protect what you don't love. You got to make them

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love it and Cousteau made us love it. Ray, my generation, we

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just loved the way he visualized. So

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this was like let's do a Cousteau moment in a modern updated

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version of Cousteau. Yeah, let's let's show

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the world, let's get to make the world fall in love with the ocean and protection will follow.

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And so that was it and then that the idea was doing great science and Ray

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the first time I met with him he gave me this Venn diagram, you know,

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and the Venn diagram was great science and great media and

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in the middle, you know, and what was happening. was

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we were doing great science, but it wasn't visually compelling.

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And then the visually compelling work

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didn't always have the best science involved. So my job was to find

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that middle ground, find the stuff that was exciting, scientifically valid,

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and was helping the world, was helping show stories. So for

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the first few years of OceanX, we just really

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built up a following. First, we created the company. We built this

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amazing vessel, COVID, blah, blah, blah. But then we started doing

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expeditions, and the vessel has been focused really on just exciting

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the world. But in the background, all the science that we were

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doing always had, and the messaging we always had was about conservation of

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the ocean and stewardship. But of late, we've

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begun to pivot our messaging, and this is actually quite new.

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The pivot is to spend more of our effort now trying to

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talk about what needs to be done in the ocean. The science we're

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doing, because we've become such a popular organization.

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I mean, we're sort of almost a victim of our own success that we're being asked

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by governments like, what can we do? And how can we help? And

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how can OceanX help us meet our goals in the ocean? So

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we have begun to rethink a bit our mission because we

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have built this unique position for ourselves, this

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platform. By really showing the beauty of

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science, the beauty of the ocean, we're in a position to

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help make change. So our pivot

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is around making change, around talking

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more about the things that we need to do. So we don't want to be the

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Debbie Downer. Right? Because the ocean, I

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And honestly- And that you see like when you're out on the expeditions too,

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You see it and it's evident, you know, but

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there is a reversal. We can reverse all this, you know? So our thing

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is like, let's just get everybody excited about it because the first step is that. And

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then we have to have the solutions, right? So OceanX

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has become an organization which wants to utilize its tools to

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help governments understand what it has. Because we go to

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a place that they don't know anything about their ocean and we want to say like, your ocean is

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super valuable. And super valuable not just in an

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It's not like just a place to start digging stuff out of.

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You got oil, you got this, you got fish, right? We need to like chill

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on that in a way. Valuable. But

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it needs to be, you know, the word sustainability is just overused

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and sounds like a bad word these days. You know, first we would just stop

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everything and then we said, oh, let's do it sustainably. But sustainably has become this thing. But

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the point really is that we're now at the stage where we

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really need to find alternatives. We need to find alternative

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value in the ocean, right? So they need to start thinking, everybody

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needs to start thinking about the value of the genetic diversity in the ocean and

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the value it provides in terms of food stability and all

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these things that it does. And how does the modern, how's

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the modern view of the ocean? What is the modern view? There's tourism in

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the ocean, right? There's coastal resilience against these

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changing hurricanes that we have. We got another one heading up

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the Gulf right now, right? Very scary. Crashed through Florida.

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There's another one heading there. The Gulf water is like an incubator for

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these terrible things. So coastal resilience is all about not not

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Exactly. The seagrass beds and the bearing of the carbon and the whole

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thing is there in a nutshell. So we

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really take on as our mission the enlivening of these stories and

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the enlivening of the ocean. We have all of the creature

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creature feature stuff we have all the cool yeah, she just can't get

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in a submarine or go down about the ocean, something amazing dropping

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in your lap so like the job it just does itself right so

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we're out there doing one thing and something else happens in the series that we

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just finished the National Geographic and BBC Jim Cameron is

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that story of half the things that are in that

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show or not we went out to film. Right we said we're going to see

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these humpback whales are going to study their language and

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we did that but on top of it these things happen and if

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you watch the show you get a sense of what that was you know that

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nature just pulls something out of a hat so so it's

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an easy job to to get some people. about the ocean.

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I say it's easy. It's easy in the sense that you have amazing people. But

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the ocean never ceases to amaze any of us, even old people

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like us. So OceanX is really this unique – we realize that

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still even to this day there isn't an organization that's really dedicated to

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almost be the PR for the ocean. And at the

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same time, a convener of people, of partnerships, of bringing people together

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to understand that these solutions are out there. We

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can solve these problems we have in the ocean. We can solve, we can have

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our cake and eat it. You know, it's not that we have to stop. We just have

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to understand it better and we have to understand how to treasure it for

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what it really is. And, you know, I just think that All

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these astronauts that go into space and look down on the Earth, they're just like,

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oh. And that Captain Kirk, when he went into space, William

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Shatner, and just said, I've been looking the wrong direction. Yeah.

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Space is beautiful, but the ocean and the planet, it's just

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an incubator. In some sense, it's like this little thing

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that keeps us alive as we're moving through the deadness of

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the space around us. And the excitement is right here under our feet. And

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I think this generation, I'm so excited of this younger generation. There's

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just a whole lot of criticism. But they're our best clients. They're

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the ones that feel it in their heart. And

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they're the ones that will go out in life and do things. Everything

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they do, they'll try to bring this love of nature and

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this discipline and what they need is a

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kind of a respect and a thought. That has to enter their mind.

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My generation, it didn't enter your mind to take care of world

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planet. They have that. That's

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going to save the earth, honestly. I think

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our generation gave them the tools to understand it. It's

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an exciting endeavor. traveling the world and doing

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that never ceases to be anything but a thrill I pinch myself

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I just today I was out with a contingent of people and they said you must have the greatest job

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in the world is like I'm I'm sorry to say, but I do. I

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don't know what yeah, right that this land. But

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it is truly you know, it's truly a pleasure and honor and it's

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Well, I'm sure, you know, through through the things

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that happened in the world, you set yourself up to be there

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for that opportunity. And that's how that's how it all came to be. So

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I'm sure that you did something, not realizing it, but it ended

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up being in a good way, even just being a good conversationalist, you

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know, with Ray. I have to say that. Yeah,

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Ray appreciated the ability to interpret science as

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a scientist and not speak always like a scientist, but

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rather At my stage in life, I've

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had to explain it so much in giving lectures and speaking to

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people that I get a sense of where, you

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reach a certain understanding in science, I think, where you no longer have to

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impress anybody with what you know, but you have an understanding of

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the top to bottom, from the molecules all the way to

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the organization. Not to say that you understand it, but there's a

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kind of a thread line. That you can explain in

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a way there's a lot of the whole process, you know, and that that's

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a beauty when you see it and if people I

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feel that I feel a little like Salieri, you know, the guy from the Mozart movie

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where. you're witness, as a scientist,

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you're witness to the greatness of the world, the greatness of

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things, but sometimes the audience doesn't get it, you

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know? True. Like, I cannot understand why you wouldn't protect

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the ocean. To me, it's an absolutely fantastic, amazing,

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it is just like the most rich thing on the earth. And so, that,

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I don't understand why the world doesn't see that the same way.

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Now, the world's got a lot of other problems to deal with, right? So I

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get it. But on the other hand, it's so foundational to

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Well, I find I find also, though, like we, you know, we've

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been brought up to understand and learn and and

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especially as scientists to communicate the problems that

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we're facing in the ocean and on this planet. And

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so we have been a doom and gloom. Like I'm Generation X,

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almost like at that cusp of Generation X and millennia. I was 78, baby. You

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hear about the climate change. I've been hearing about climate change my entire

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life, from the 90s all the way to now. And now

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we're really starting to see the effects. But now it's really

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coming in. It's undeniable at this point, over

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the last 10 years or so. But I find, though,

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we've been in such a state of doom and gloom for the

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last 30, 40 years. of

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my life anyway, that a lot of times we

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kind of hide the solutions to the end. You know, I always

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say, a lot of documentaries that you see in the past, they

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would go through, here's the beauty of the ocean, okay, and

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then here's the problem as a regular storytelling thing, here's the

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problem, here's sort of like where we're seeing at the custom,

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we gotta do something, but we're not doing something, and then at the

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tail end, after that climax of the story, we

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start to hear a little bit about the solution, but there's not a lot of time spent

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on the solution. That's why when you're telling me that

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OceanX is pivoting the messaging to be like, look, we're not

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only going to make people fall in love with the ocean, but we're going to start talking about

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the solutions. This excites me because we needed

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this on a global level. You know,

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on the platforms where, you know, OceanX working with National Geographic,

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working with BBC, working with these types of

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media platforms where you get global coverage to

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show the beauty of not only the OceanX ship and the mission, but

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also what you see in that ocean to be able to talk about

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solutions on that basis and get people excited. You know, that's

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the one thing that I've been trying to do on this podcast for a long time is get the

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stories that you don't normally hear and talk about the successes of,

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you know, villages in the Philippines being able to adapt to climate by

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having like a savings bank for their fisheries so in case their marine

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protected area gets taken out by a typhoon, They don't have to

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worry about fishing for a little bit because they've had something stored away and

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they can still feed their families. They can still send their kids to school and still

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take care of themselves while this builds back up as we

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hope that it does. They've been able to feed off of that and they continue to

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contribute to this. Hearing solutions like

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that gets people excited. Oh, so we're not

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in dire need. We're not doomed in this gloomy kind

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of situation. No, there are ways that we can

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build up. And even talking about what's about to hit Tampa

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Bay with Hurricane Milton, You know, it's

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looking at the infrastructure of Tampa and looking at

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the infrastructure of Florida and focusing on

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being more resilient, making those cities more resilient, even all the way

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up the Southeast and even to where I live in Ontario, Canada,

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we got the effects of Hurricane Beryl earlier this summer. And

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we started to see vulnerabilities in flooding because of so much water and

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so forth. So, you know, we've been talking about these stories and solutions. It'll

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be great to see those types of solutions get

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on a global map, on major media so that people are

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watching these. So not only are they seeing the beauty of the ocean and maybe some

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of those consequences that we're seeing, but also the solution to those

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consequences. So I'm really excited that OceanX is

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getting involved in that because you guys have such great production value, such

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great people that work on that. How do you, you

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know, get solutions and how do you portray that? Is it like individual

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stories or is it like you working with governments? Can you talk a little

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So, um, I noticed at COP when I went to COP 27, which

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was in Egypt and COP 28, which was in Dubai. I'd

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never been to the COP meetings before. Honestly, I went to the COP on

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a lark just to go see it, you know, and being invited there. And

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I walked around and it was so inspiring. to be there. Because

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sometimes in our country there just seems like there's like half the world doesn't believe in

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this whole thing and half the world is fighting against it. But then

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you go to COP and you're at this group of people from all over the world, anywhere

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they are, that understand the problems. And all it is

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about is solutions to the problems. It's just piles of solutions. Every

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booth I went to, I was like, oh, you've got hydrogen. Oh, you've got

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farming. Oh, you've got seaweed. Oh, like, like, like, oh, it's everywhere.

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You know, like, it isn't some bespoke thing. It's become a

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mainstream, you know, due to the real, due to

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the movement, the climate movement and the thought around it. The fact

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that, that, you know, what we're asking though,

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at the end of the day, to me, and this was an epiphany for

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me, is that I think that the development of

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oil and development of petroleum, I tell everyone

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this, it's probably the greatest thing that the human species has ever

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done. And I don't think that people want to hear that from an

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environmental group, but the reality is that that has brought such,

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it has changed humans in a way. If you study it, how amazing it was,

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what's changed in terms of lighting and just starting with lighting, but

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you know, transportation and food, it's all thanks

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To be honest, it saved the whales because that's what we got, our energy

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It saved the whales as a thing. In

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the end of the day, it was a great uplifter

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for the entire human race. It's a very hard thing to

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say, okay guys, we got to not do this anymore. And I

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think that I'm proud to be a scientist because scientists looked

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at the problem and said, okay, it's a problem now, but

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there's still entrenched, not just business, but there's

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an entrenched thing in that world because they built such

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an amazing structure to distribute this oil throughout the world. It's

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a bad word today, but in reality, it's an amazing thing.

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But as a scientist, we just look at it and

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say, now it's absolutely wrong. And maybe

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it wasn't wrong when we started it, and it wasn't wrong for the longest time, but

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now we realize that it's causing damage, serious damage to the Earth. And

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you're taking all this carbon that nature has spent billions

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of years burying, And the atmosphere is a result of

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that, and all of the earth is a result of this carbon being physically buried

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due to carbon storage over the billions of years. And we're just like burning it, like shooting

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it out. And the atmosphere and everything in the ocean is trying to take it, and

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it can't. It just can't take it. And you say,

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oh, it's a couple of degrees. You hear the IOC, and they're like, oh, it's

446
00:27:17,995 --> 00:27:21,878
two degrees. I always remind people, two degrees is

447
00:27:21,918 --> 00:27:25,160
two degrees over the earth. It's not like

448
00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:28,723
you're frying pan. What's the difference of two degrees? But the fact

449
00:27:28,783 --> 00:27:32,005
is that we're seeing the effects of that. A couple of degrees in the Gulf of

450
00:27:32,045 --> 00:27:36,808
Mexico, and you've got category fives every day. If something gets

451
00:27:36,868 --> 00:27:40,550
in that gulf, it's going to become a category five. It's warm. So

452
00:27:41,591 --> 00:27:45,093
I turned the corner when I was actually COP 27 on some level,

453
00:27:45,153 --> 00:27:48,955
because part of me is like, I live in this world of problem, problem, problem, especially

454
00:27:48,975 --> 00:27:52,257
traveling around the earth and seeing first hand. And

455
00:27:52,297 --> 00:27:55,982
I started to see the concept of this hydrogen generation,

456
00:27:56,042 --> 00:27:59,245
right? I know that hydrogen sort of had a false start maybe a couple of years ago.

457
00:27:59,425 --> 00:28:02,529
People started it. Well, California did stuff with it. It

458
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:06,373
was the first time and I started to like dig into it, like as alternative fuel.

459
00:28:07,034 --> 00:28:10,378
And it's just the whole thing suddenly just came crystal clear to me, like there is

460
00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:14,623
this material on the earth, hydrogen, which is 80% of

461
00:28:14,643 --> 00:28:19,870
the earth is made of hydrogen, right? That is this exchange

462
00:28:20,031 --> 00:28:23,515
material between electricity and storage. And

463
00:28:23,555 --> 00:28:27,460
electricity, it's like the battery, it's everything all in one packet. The

464
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,863
idea now that hydrogen is just this exchange feature, but

465
00:28:31,923 --> 00:28:35,626
the beauty of the idea suddenly became to me that, again,

466
00:28:35,726 --> 00:28:39,749
as scientists, you can put aside all the difficulties in society. In

467
00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:42,971
other words, it's not the difficulties, it's society accepting things and changing. You can

468
00:28:42,991 --> 00:28:46,213
just look at it purely academically and say, this

469
00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:49,895
is clearly the way to go. There's no doubt about it.

470
00:28:50,236 --> 00:28:54,078
There's other fuels that can be in the mix, but all the different ways to create this,

471
00:28:54,198 --> 00:28:57,460
it's like, I always say it's like the ATP, you know, from biology, ATP is

472
00:28:57,980 --> 00:29:01,501
all this energy that you eat and the food ends up in your body and ends up as ATP, right?

473
00:29:01,822 --> 00:29:05,243
And the ATP is currency exchange. So hydrogen is like going to be the exchange, right?

474
00:29:05,263 --> 00:29:08,745
We're going to make it all different ways, whether it's solar or wind or

475
00:29:09,245 --> 00:29:12,386
geothermal, or we drill it out of the earth, which was another moment that was an

476
00:29:12,446 --> 00:29:15,868
epiphany for me. And suddenly we have this fuel that

477
00:29:16,148 --> 00:29:19,309
we can use and do it and it's not going to cause any problems for

478
00:29:19,389 --> 00:29:23,031
us. It's a different thing. Right. And, um, And

479
00:29:23,191 --> 00:29:26,632
it's suddenly like this big, beautiful thing that was oil

480
00:29:27,372 --> 00:29:31,034
sees its way to this new thing that has many of the features that

481
00:29:31,054 --> 00:29:34,255
we'll have. Oil, but it won't have all of

482
00:29:34,295 --> 00:29:37,616
the downsides of putting so much carbon into the atmosphere. And carbon in the atmosphere

483
00:29:37,636 --> 00:29:40,797
kind of leads to a lot of the problems that we see. The acidification, the

484
00:29:40,837 --> 00:29:43,918
heating, the movement of animals because of the temperature. Carbon's at

485
00:29:43,938 --> 00:29:47,861
the heart of a lot of that now. Having said that, as

486
00:29:47,941 --> 00:29:51,582
OceanX is concerned about the pressures on the ocean, carbon

487
00:29:51,622 --> 00:29:55,223
and acidification is really only one, unfortunately, of many problems

488
00:29:55,283 --> 00:30:00,504
that we have. Pollution, neutrification, overfishing,

489
00:30:01,145 --> 00:30:05,966
terrible coastal development, plastic pollution, everything. These are all human

490
00:30:06,186 --> 00:30:09,587
anthropogenic issues with the ocean. And only climate

491
00:30:09,607 --> 00:30:12,928
change is only one of those. But to me, I kept saying, if you can't solve that one,

492
00:30:13,554 --> 00:30:16,916
But then I thought, you know, the beauty of science is that it

493
00:30:17,056 --> 00:30:20,517
finds its way through all of this, you know? Yeah. It finds

494
00:30:20,637 --> 00:30:24,099
ways to solve these epic problems, you

495
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:27,300
know? And that makes me proud to be a scientist, to be one

496
00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:30,422
of the people who are on that side of solutions, you know? And

497
00:30:30,482 --> 00:30:33,603
all you got to do is take a bunch of young people, put them in a room, and tell them to

498
00:30:33,643 --> 00:30:36,765
solve a problem. And if they have the freedom in the

499
00:30:36,805 --> 00:30:40,347
society, the resources and the audacity. And America to

500
00:30:40,407 --> 00:30:43,570
me, as I travel the world, still retains this. It's not the

501
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:46,673
only country for sure, but it's one of the few countries in

502
00:30:46,713 --> 00:30:49,976
the world that has the audacity to just do

503
00:30:49,996 --> 00:30:53,099
stuff. To say like, we're going to try this and follow the

504
00:30:53,139 --> 00:30:57,743
leads and fail and fail and fail until we don't fail. And

505
00:30:57,843 --> 00:31:01,066
so now I come back to the solutions, as you're mentioning, and I see in

506
00:31:01,226 --> 00:31:04,384
each of these areas, You know, we've got solutions to

507
00:31:04,424 --> 00:31:07,526
these things, right? It's no longer, you know, like I

508
00:31:07,546 --> 00:31:10,987
came from biomedical science, right? Alzheimer's disease

509
00:31:11,028 --> 00:31:14,209
is a real problem. It doesn't have a solution. Science has not

510
00:31:14,249 --> 00:31:17,431
given us a solution to that disease. We've got some drugs that don't work that

511
00:31:17,471 --> 00:31:20,673
well. We've got a lot of really smart people studying it. But I can't say to

512
00:31:20,693 --> 00:31:24,415
you today that we've got like a scientific solution to that horrible problem,

513
00:31:24,435 --> 00:31:28,908
right? But then I look back in this field and I go like, wait a minute. solution

514
00:31:29,308 --> 00:31:32,511
for that. We've got bamboo. We've got hydrogen. We've got

515
00:31:32,571 --> 00:31:36,214
plastic bags that dissolve. We've got everything. We've got

516
00:31:36,274 --> 00:31:39,897
batteries. We've got stuff. We've got wind power. We've got solar.

517
00:31:39,957 --> 00:31:44,301
It isn't one thing, but what it is is a lot of smart people. I'm seeing desalinization

518
00:31:44,341 --> 00:31:48,985
plants that go underwater. Fantastic solutions to problems. Ocean

519
00:31:49,025 --> 00:31:52,150
energy for energy from the ocean, the science of

520
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:55,552
it, all aided by the modern AI and

521
00:31:55,792 --> 00:31:58,953
ways to utilize all this stuff. So to me

522
00:31:59,013 --> 00:32:02,871
it's like the problems are kind of all solved. And

523
00:32:02,891 --> 00:32:06,072
the money is now to be made. And that's the part that also makes me very

524
00:32:06,112 --> 00:32:10,173
excited, is that the power of the economy.

525
00:32:10,253 --> 00:32:13,774
And Ray has always driven that home to me. Philanthropy

526
00:32:13,814 --> 00:32:17,395
is great. It shines a light. It's like

527
00:32:17,435 --> 00:32:20,675
a risk capital. But when you want things to happen, you've got to get it into

528
00:32:20,695 --> 00:32:23,936
the private sector. You've got to get it to the larger global markets. That's

529
00:32:23,956 --> 00:32:27,317
where all the money is. That's where the things happen. And so I start

530
00:32:27,357 --> 00:32:30,438
to see how the global market's responding to

531
00:32:30,478 --> 00:32:33,980
this. in a way. They have to. But also there's investment

532
00:32:34,020 --> 00:32:37,323
potential. And government regulation, which is a good thing

533
00:32:37,363 --> 00:32:40,685
in many cases, nobody wants to hear that either. But seat belts were

534
00:32:40,705 --> 00:32:44,108
a good idea. That was a government regulation. Car companies didn't say, hey, let's

535
00:32:44,168 --> 00:32:47,390
save people's lives, unfortunately. And Ralph Nader, we'll

536
00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:50,873
talk your ear off on that, about how having airbags

537
00:32:50,893 --> 00:32:54,016
was going to kill the American car industry. It didn't. And

538
00:32:55,557 --> 00:32:59,073
Oh, I got 12. Oh, I got 13 airbags. And

539
00:32:59,113 --> 00:33:02,594
now it's a selling feature. Yeah. It's a selling feature, right? Yeah.

540
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:06,275
Like, oh, Volvo was doing well because it was a safe car. Oh, maybe we should make a safe car. So

541
00:33:06,735 --> 00:33:09,876
it's all temporal. Yeah, for sure. If you go back and

542
00:33:09,896 --> 00:33:13,097
look at those hearings in the 70s, they're like, he's killing the car companies. He's going to

543
00:33:13,137 --> 00:33:16,498
ruin it. It can't happen. How can we inflate a bag and 35 millisecond

544
00:33:16,538 --> 00:33:19,821
it? You don't hear anything about it anymore. It's

545
00:33:19,881 --> 00:33:23,042
gone. Our grandchildren will

546
00:33:23,062 --> 00:33:26,443
all be going like, what were you guys talking about? It's all done.

547
00:33:26,823 --> 00:33:30,145
So it's this transition period. But transitions are times

548
00:33:30,165 --> 00:33:33,706
to make money. So when you go back to that, I think

549
00:33:33,746 --> 00:33:37,948
that Ray is a unique position as this really global

550
00:33:37,988 --> 00:33:41,709
scion of finance and world economics. And he's a behind-the-scenes guy,

551
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:46,792
understanding how things are working. And people go to him. And I

552
00:33:46,832 --> 00:33:50,535
learned that, like, that you can see it beginning, these solutions

553
00:33:50,615 --> 00:33:53,979
are leaving the realm of the kind of startups and the venture capitals and

554
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:57,323
they're getting into the, so like, can you see that like Korea has made

555
00:33:57,363 --> 00:34:00,507
these massive hydrogen generating devices, you know, these

556
00:34:00,567 --> 00:34:03,891
high electrolysis units, and then these fuel cells, you can run a ship,

557
00:34:03,911 --> 00:34:07,555
they've got, they've got grains running on fuel cells, right? they

558
00:34:07,595 --> 00:34:10,858
they're making enough energy to store but it's just you just see

559
00:34:10,898 --> 00:34:14,540
it's incredible and I think now that now's

560
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:17,742
the moment. They're going to be people years from

561
00:34:17,782 --> 00:34:21,044
now, how did those how did those hydrant companies get so

562
00:34:21,204 --> 00:34:25,045
rich. now's the chance to get on that bandwagon. The

563
00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:28,348
Rockefellers of today are the people who are

564
00:34:28,368 --> 00:34:31,631
not waiting around and saying, let's move. And so

565
00:34:31,771 --> 00:34:35,514
I think there's money to be made. And I'm not saying that in a disingenuous way,

566
00:34:35,554 --> 00:34:39,037
but this transition has gone from not doable

567
00:34:39,117 --> 00:34:42,300
to, you better get in now, because soon you're going to

568
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:45,863
miss the train when the seaweed train goes,

569
00:34:45,923 --> 00:34:49,486
and the fish farms, and all the things that are going to help this economy. Our

570
00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:52,984
worlds shift. And unfortunately, you know, the other issue

571
00:34:53,004 --> 00:34:56,407
is, of course, the developed world, sort of the northern hemisphere will

572
00:34:56,447 --> 00:34:59,950
all get there sooner, right? And so part

573
00:34:59,970 --> 00:35:03,412
of my job as I travel around to these places, Cape Verde

574
00:35:03,432 --> 00:35:06,995
for one, is to say like, you know, the way the cell phones have kind of leaped

575
00:35:07,055 --> 00:35:10,357
ahead, Starlink is going to leap everybody ahead. Like

576
00:35:10,577 --> 00:35:13,820
you've got these leaping technologies and maybe you don't have to go through all the headaches we went

577
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:17,443
through. But you better get in on this business

578
00:35:17,463 --> 00:35:20,624
because you know, the next ExxonMobil is going to

579
00:35:20,665 --> 00:35:24,368
be in a business and you should have it here, right? Exactly.

580
00:35:24,608 --> 00:35:28,111
You should build. And so like the

581
00:35:28,191 --> 00:35:31,353
opportunity to me, like I can, you can name a problem and I can give

582
00:35:31,373 --> 00:35:34,756
you a solution, you know, in the climate world and the ocean world.

583
00:35:35,436 --> 00:35:38,619
And we work a lot with like World Economic Forum. Again, this

584
00:35:38,699 --> 00:35:42,102
is like the people that bring you Davos, which is a big like, Oh my God. But

585
00:35:42,122 --> 00:35:45,304
they're also got a thousand startups, a thousand ocean startups. And there's

586
00:35:45,344 --> 00:35:48,599
just, A bunch of smart people, we had them on our boat, we did like

587
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:52,222
a kind of like a tour around and each one of them is just like, oh,

588
00:35:52,702 --> 00:35:57,005
so wait a minute, I can use your technology and I can take CO2

589
00:35:57,585 --> 00:36:01,247
out of the atmosphere, I can make hydrogen, I

590
00:36:01,267 --> 00:36:04,510
can take seawater, I can bury this CO2

591
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:07,832
safely in the seawater and get hydrogen out as a

592
00:36:07,852 --> 00:36:11,059
byproduct. win, win, win, win, right?

593
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:15,067
And I'm getting out hydrogen that I can then use. So CO2 down,

594
00:36:15,147 --> 00:36:18,816
hydrogen out, no pH change. Yeah,

595
00:36:19,016 --> 00:36:22,518
it actually makes sense because hydrogen up means you're losing protons and

596
00:36:22,538 --> 00:36:26,241
you're putting, boom, that whole problem solved. You're on the way like, oh, wow. And

597
00:36:26,261 --> 00:36:29,683
what's the chemistry behind that? And it's a little company in California doing this. You're

598
00:36:29,703 --> 00:36:33,745
like, OK. So you see these

599
00:36:33,905 --> 00:36:37,327
transitions. And so to me, I started seeing

600
00:36:37,347 --> 00:36:40,629
this and thought, well, that's the story, right? Yeah. The

601
00:36:40,749 --> 00:36:45,053
story is the ocean as a place to be. And

602
00:36:45,094 --> 00:36:48,296
also, we talk a lot about space and how well they did,

603
00:36:48,356 --> 00:36:52,279
how well NASA did, how well SpaceX and everybody does. It's sort of popularizing

604
00:36:52,319 --> 00:36:55,561
this place that nobody really wants to go to. I mean, let's be clear,

605
00:36:55,961 --> 00:36:59,424
right? I always say there's no, like, talking raccoons in space,

606
00:36:59,524 --> 00:37:02,666
even though there is in Mars. We're not finding them when we

607
00:37:02,706 --> 00:37:05,868
get there, right? Not yet, anyway. I made

608
00:37:05,908 --> 00:37:09,070
this joke, which I always repeat, but I still think it's funny. I said it at

609
00:37:09,090 --> 00:37:12,613
a conference where there were some NASA people. I said, you know, that series, that miniseries that

610
00:37:12,633 --> 00:37:16,105
you're going to do on going to Mars, you know that 6 part series

611
00:37:16,445 --> 00:37:19,666
and the first part is getting there is that getting there. It's

612
00:37:19,686 --> 00:37:22,887
going to be great. Being there is not going

613
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:26,728
to be you know, it's going to take us on Mars right. Yes,

614
00:37:27,088 --> 00:37:30,129
the real boring because yes, it's going to

615
00:37:30,149 --> 00:37:34,650
be this part 2 dust part 3. Part

616
00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:38,411
4 rock and dust, you know, it's like it is to play off allies.

617
00:37:39,286 --> 00:37:42,447
dried, dead, worst nightmare of

618
00:37:42,487 --> 00:37:45,928
a place to go, right? It's not going to be easy. Elon Musk may

619
00:37:45,968 --> 00:37:50,849
want to go there. Good for him. Him and his sperm, you know, he sent his

620
00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:54,130
sperm out. So him and his sperm can go there. But

621
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:57,250
I'm telling you that I get in a submarine, you know, I go right off the coast here, I'll go

622
00:37:57,270 --> 00:38:00,391
down the submarine and I'll see creatures that that scare the

623
00:38:00,411 --> 00:38:04,652
hell out of me, right? And they're amazing. And they're magical. They're amazing.

624
00:38:04,672 --> 00:38:08,153
They're floating through time, right? So I don't need to go into

625
00:38:08,213 --> 00:38:11,634
space to see that. In fact, I know that I'm not going to see it, right? Exactly. So to

626
00:38:11,654 --> 00:38:14,934
me, the looking upward is not,

627
00:38:15,614 --> 00:38:18,735
to me, I love space. I love the whole thing of it. But it's more

628
00:38:18,755 --> 00:38:22,476
the getting there that's kind of interesting. But being down there underwater

629
00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:26,477
is so, you know, it's just organically exciting and

630
00:38:27,492 --> 00:38:31,021
Well, it's different every time you go, I would imagine, too. And if you're in a

631
00:38:31,101 --> 00:38:34,430
submarine, everything is different. Every time you go down, there's something

632
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,382
I mean, if you just do the math, right? We've mapped like maybe

633
00:38:39,982 --> 00:38:44,124
3% of the ocean bottom. Maybe more, maybe we're

634
00:38:44,164 --> 00:38:47,386
up to 40% as you map it with sonographic mapping, right? But

635
00:38:47,446 --> 00:38:50,528
most of it is on map, just to be clear, with sonographic. But if

636
00:38:50,548 --> 00:38:56,091
you go to like visualization, you're about 0.001%. Because

637
00:38:56,131 --> 00:38:59,452
the problem with the ocean, of course, is that It doesn't conduct

638
00:38:59,512 --> 00:39:02,893
light well. It doesn't conduct any radio waves, right? So you can't

639
00:39:03,273 --> 00:39:06,854
have GPS down there. You can't have Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, cell

640
00:39:06,874 --> 00:39:10,075
phones, nothing, right? So you're down there in this void, and

641
00:39:10,095 --> 00:39:13,395
the light that you send out of your submarine just goes maybe

642
00:39:13,695 --> 00:39:16,916
four or five meters max. That's how much you can get light out,

643
00:39:16,976 --> 00:39:20,637
especially in the dark, which starts, you know, around. So you're in this dark area

644
00:39:20,677 --> 00:39:23,878
where you can't, right? So as you're driving, you

645
00:39:23,898 --> 00:39:27,914
see stuff. And you think, oh, I was on a two-hour dive

646
00:39:27,974 --> 00:39:31,075
and I saw three strange creatures. That's not a lot. Well, do

647
00:39:31,095 --> 00:39:34,196
the math on that. You only saw. It's not like you went to

648
00:39:34,216 --> 00:39:37,578
the Grand Canyon and you looked out. Because the Grand Canyon, you look out, you're seeing miles

649
00:39:37,618 --> 00:39:41,399
and miles of everything. But underwater, you're seeing five

650
00:39:41,439 --> 00:39:45,081
meters for eight hours. So do the math on the volume you actually witnessed.

651
00:39:45,141 --> 00:39:48,642
It's tiny. And yet in that, you saw three creatures. And

652
00:39:48,802 --> 00:39:52,124
the other ones are scared of your lights or your sound. So the place is

653
00:39:52,184 --> 00:39:55,648
just livid with life, you know. So we're all playing, OceanX plays

654
00:39:55,688 --> 00:39:58,851
a lot with how to sneak up on them. I told everybody when we were building the

655
00:39:58,871 --> 00:40:02,115
boat, you know, we're building it with a lot of oil company people who build

656
00:40:02,155 --> 00:40:05,338
boats, you know. So I was saying, look, the goal of this boat is to sneak up

657
00:40:05,418 --> 00:40:08,642
on stuff. It's like to sneak up and witness it, you know,

658
00:40:08,802 --> 00:40:12,005
and not make noise. And they were all like, what? We're drilling. you

659
00:40:12,025 --> 00:40:15,668
know, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're not drilling, no hydraulics, no, let's

660
00:40:15,708 --> 00:40:18,911
get these quiet, low light, mid lights, like, it's sort

661
00:40:18,931 --> 00:40:22,714
of like nightclub mood, because you gotta move in on them, so they pay attention, you

662
00:40:22,734 --> 00:40:26,157
know? So, you know, that was okay, I get it, so we made very quiet

663
00:40:26,317 --> 00:40:29,619
ROVs, and we made quiet, we put new motors on the subs

664
00:40:29,659 --> 00:40:33,062
recently, very quiet, so they don't scare stuff, and then you start to, they

665
00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:36,425
start to come out, you know, they're shy, and they come out, and they see you, well, you walk around

666
00:40:36,805 --> 00:40:39,988
the woods, you don't see a lot of animals, they all run for cover, and they do it even more.

667
00:40:40,548 --> 00:40:43,852
In the sea, normally if they think if something's bright and making noise, I don't want to be anywhere

668
00:40:43,892 --> 00:40:47,377
near it, right? That's a sign that we're going to get eaten. So the life

669
00:40:47,477 --> 00:40:50,701
that you see when you play these tricks, you turn the lights out and

670
00:40:50,741 --> 00:40:53,825
you buy luminescence. I mean, it's just, yeah. I mean, like I

671
00:40:53,865 --> 00:40:57,169
said, it's, it's, I've never taken, I've maybe done 40, 50 sub

672
00:40:57,189 --> 00:41:01,739
dives in the past couple of years. It's never nothing. You

673
00:41:01,759 --> 00:41:05,120
may go all the way down and not see anything and all the way up and you're 15 feet from the surface

674
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,321
and something shows up and you're just like, there it

675
00:41:09,701 --> 00:41:14,902
That's incredible. If

676
00:41:14,942 --> 00:41:18,223
I'm getting this in terms of the solutions and the stories being

677
00:41:18,283 --> 00:41:21,504
told on the ship, I and on like what

678
00:41:21,604 --> 00:41:25,506
OceanX does, are you trying to bring the solution makers,

679
00:41:25,566 --> 00:41:28,847
inspire them on the boat and in the ocean and start

680
00:41:28,887 --> 00:41:32,008
to bring them together to have those conversations? So not only

681
00:41:32,028 --> 00:41:35,289
do we get collaboration like you would see in the science world, but

682
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:38,570
you're starting to get exchange of ideas and start to get that

683
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:41,811
inspiration. Like look, you could go down in the submarine or you

684
00:41:41,831 --> 00:41:45,073
can do a dive or you could look out on the ocean and be

685
00:41:45,113 --> 00:41:48,694
out in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and be like, this is amazing.

686
00:41:49,182 --> 00:41:53,204
You can never get, and I'll tell you this, I've been on ships before, there's

687
00:41:53,284 --> 00:41:56,966
no better place to see a sunset than on a ship. When there's

688
00:41:57,126 --> 00:42:01,108
just the horizon ahead of you and you see that sunset. I

689
00:42:01,128 --> 00:42:04,970
mean, I still think that my favorite sunset, which it didn't really set, was in

690
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:08,152
the Beaufort Sea up in the Arctic in Canada, where it

691
00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:11,434
was still light and you just see the sun go over the horizon for like, it felt

692
00:42:11,474 --> 00:42:14,800
like a minute and then pop up, back up. Yeah, and

693
00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:18,082
then like you never get sunsets like that like unless you're on a ship,

694
00:42:18,122 --> 00:42:22,585
so I totally buy into the inspiration that

695
00:42:22,685 --> 00:42:26,306
people feel Now, with the media

696
00:42:26,446 --> 00:42:29,688
aspect of OceanX, will this be filmed, these

697
00:42:29,748 --> 00:42:33,731
exchange of ideas and sort of seeing these solution

698
00:42:33,772 --> 00:42:37,815
makers, if we want to call them that, being inspired

699
00:42:38,035 --> 00:42:41,278
and having those discussions? And like, will those be on

700
00:42:41,778 --> 00:42:45,341
like the programs like, you know, the Blue Planet or something similar?

701
00:42:48,608 --> 00:42:52,094
So it's still at the heart of the organization is discovery and

702
00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:55,559
exploration. And I spent a lot of time thinking about

703
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:59,886
exploration as a concept. And exploration as

704
00:42:59,926 --> 00:43:05,542
a concept I think is super valuable in and of itself. But

705
00:43:06,002 --> 00:43:09,124
as we try to solve problems, our ship also is

706
00:43:09,204 --> 00:43:12,586
uniquely positioned to help collect the data necessary to solve problems.

707
00:43:12,606 --> 00:43:16,168
And I can't overlook that. It's built as a discovery machine.

708
00:43:17,029 --> 00:43:20,431
I call it like exploration science is what we tried to maximize. We

709
00:43:20,451 --> 00:43:24,713
tried to say, when we put this thing in the water, what's the maximum possibility

710
00:43:25,153 --> 00:43:28,455
over the limited time we have at a particular location to film, to

711
00:43:28,495 --> 00:43:32,348
collect DNA, to do as much possible viewing? So

712
00:43:32,369 --> 00:43:36,161
we built a ship that can pull up at a location. We

713
00:43:36,181 --> 00:43:40,327
can put two submarines in the water, put an RV down. do

714
00:43:40,387 --> 00:43:44,009
a CTD cast, put a helicopter in the air to do megafauna surveys,

715
00:43:44,409 --> 00:43:47,891
and put a team out of scuba divers out on the boat. Everything

716
00:43:47,931 --> 00:43:51,213
at once. And we've done this. You just, the boat gets on site, and

717
00:43:55,235 --> 00:43:59,037
It's like a morning meeting. You know, the night meeting is like, you're 8 o'clock,

718
00:43:59,257 --> 00:44:02,479
you're 8.05, you're 8.10, and the energy drops, and everybody's got, you know. And

719
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,701
it's like, it becomes like a machine. A scientist first comes out, what's going on here?

720
00:44:05,741 --> 00:44:08,862
Like, we can't do this. No, no. And when we're planning expeditions, I have to say to

721
00:44:08,882 --> 00:44:12,314
everybody, like, they're like, Oh, all we're going to do is this today. I was like, okay,

722
00:44:12,334 --> 00:44:15,396
you just plan for that. And then I'm over here. Oh, we'll plan for that too. You

723
00:44:15,416 --> 00:44:18,678
know? And they get there and they're like, what's going on? We're doing this. I'm like, just, you do that. We're doing

724
00:44:18,718 --> 00:44:22,041
this. We've got a helicopter going out and we're looking for whales, you know, at the same time.

725
00:44:22,101 --> 00:44:25,584
And so, so I did built it as this discovery machine. Now

726
00:44:25,704 --> 00:44:29,066
that was the overriding. Cause on the Lucia, the previous vessel, we

727
00:44:29,106 --> 00:44:32,169
had to use a lot of the same points to access, you know, we

728
00:44:32,189 --> 00:44:35,952
had to launch and recover RVs and subs all from the same place. So we have, separate

729
00:44:36,252 --> 00:44:39,596
launch and recovery systems for the helicopters, everything obviously, right? So

730
00:44:39,636 --> 00:44:43,240
we can do everything simultaneously. So it is a discovery machine

731
00:44:43,380 --> 00:44:47,165
and still in my heart, and I think Ray and Mark and both of us agree

732
00:44:47,205 --> 00:44:50,525
that discovery still is is the heart

733
00:44:50,565 --> 00:44:55,227
of the organization, because we can't even

734
00:44:56,187 --> 00:44:59,829
tell people what's out there if we don't know. We just don't even know. I make

735
00:44:59,909 --> 00:45:03,650
discoveries on that boat, scientifically valid discoveries. Sometimes

736
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:06,891
they come back to you. We discovered an algae in the Red

737
00:45:06,971 --> 00:45:10,233
Sea, right? I think an algae in the deep. And this

738
00:45:10,393 --> 00:45:13,794
algae, you know, it just kind of becomes an

739
00:45:13,834 --> 00:45:17,015
anomaly. Like, why is algae so deep? Algae, by

740
00:45:17,035 --> 00:45:20,277
definition, is the most embedded creature. Yeah, it needs light. So it turns out

741
00:45:20,777 --> 00:45:24,178
that zooxanthellae, which are the type of algae that live in coral and make them brown

742
00:45:24,218 --> 00:45:27,499
and do photosynthesis, they

743
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:30,740
also can eat. They're one of the few creatures on the earth that can eat and

744
00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:34,281
do photosynthesis, so like plants that also eat. So

745
00:45:34,341 --> 00:45:37,822
these creatures live in the deep, and instead of doing photosynthesis because they don't have any chlorophyll

746
00:45:37,842 --> 00:45:41,160
left in them, they just eat food. But they still

747
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,505
live symbiotically with the corals in the deep, it seems like. So

748
00:45:44,625 --> 00:45:47,949
how are they doing that? Why are they doing that? Why do you need a symbiotic algae in

749
00:45:47,969 --> 00:45:51,153
your tissues if you're not doing photosynthesis? Well, we think, we don't

750
00:45:51,193 --> 00:45:54,537
know, we think they're digesting food and then secreting a

751
00:45:54,597 --> 00:45:58,201
kind of glycerol or like like easier products

752
00:45:58,241 --> 00:46:01,442
for the coral to absorb and live off of. So the coral still provides a

753
00:46:01,462 --> 00:46:05,404
home, but maybe they become more of a parasite than a symbiotic,

754
00:46:05,424 --> 00:46:08,505
but still the relationship exists. I thought that's a

755
00:46:08,525 --> 00:46:11,947
little interesting esoteric. And then fast forward where I'm

756
00:46:11,967 --> 00:46:15,248
applying for a DARPA funding to use

757
00:46:15,348 --> 00:46:18,629
these algae in a deep sea device that

758
00:46:18,669 --> 00:46:22,127
will create power. with an

759
00:46:22,207 --> 00:46:25,670
algae that can live at that depth and can digest food

760
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:29,873
and secrete glycerol onto an electrode surface that

761
00:46:29,973 --> 00:46:33,916
turns glycerol directly into electricity. So

762
00:46:33,956 --> 00:46:38,091
there are bioelectrode arrays that you can build. So now suddenly you have a

763
00:46:38,151 --> 00:46:41,453
discovery that at the time seemed cool and interesting but not

764
00:46:41,714 --> 00:46:45,396
relevant, into building into a product that will be able to produce 10 watts

765
00:46:45,456 --> 00:46:48,719
of power sitting in any environment with no sun and

766
00:46:48,759 --> 00:46:52,261
no water movement, almost nothing, to power sensor arrays,

767
00:46:52,301 --> 00:46:55,483
for example. When they're non-destructive, they don't They don't have

768
00:46:55,523 --> 00:46:58,644
batteries in them, right? So that's the concept of this. I mean, we're working on

769
00:46:58,664 --> 00:47:02,265
it in the lab right now. But discovery still opens

770
00:47:02,285 --> 00:47:05,746
the door to businesses and industries

771
00:47:05,786 --> 00:47:09,127
and ideas that you didn't have. So discovery still is at the heart of what we do.

772
00:47:09,668 --> 00:47:13,389
But like I said, we realized that with our prominent visual

773
00:47:13,429 --> 00:47:16,730
position as a vessel and what we built,

774
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:20,231
the prominent image of OceanX, and countries are

775
00:47:20,251 --> 00:47:23,611
inviting us to come. and say, we want you to discover our waters. And

776
00:47:23,651 --> 00:47:26,958
then at the same time, they start asking like, well, what,

777
00:47:27,018 --> 00:47:30,325
what kind of studies should we do to help protect our waters? Like, what is the,

778
00:47:30,726 --> 00:47:33,841
what could be done? Yeah. protect the

779
00:47:33,901 --> 00:47:37,604
fisheries, to evaluate our fisheries, and how

780
00:47:37,624 --> 00:47:40,785
do we find carbon credits in the ocean? We don't know how to do that, so

781
00:47:40,826 --> 00:47:44,388
can we help them with that? Can we help them find seagrass beds? Because

782
00:47:44,408 --> 00:47:47,950
seagrass beds, as you know, are great carbon stores, and they

783
00:47:47,970 --> 00:47:51,452
want to destroy them or don't care about them, but they're really valuable to storing

784
00:47:54,294 --> 00:47:57,435
And biodiversity. They're like the coral reefs. They're one

785
00:47:57,456 --> 00:48:00,898
of the few Plants that lives in the ocean and they do a magnificent job

786
00:48:00,938 --> 00:48:04,860
and everybody loves it. You know, there's companies that are looking

787
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,222
for these things. We're looking for them. So so what we tried to

788
00:48:08,262 --> 00:48:11,524
do now is try to bring together both of

789
00:48:11,564 --> 00:48:15,007
the technology we have on board the vessel to help countries

790
00:48:15,047 --> 00:48:18,971
who Honestly, the vessel is the best oceanographic

791
00:48:18,991 --> 00:48:22,674
vessel in the world, without exception. So even the U.S. and France, we're

792
00:48:23,015 --> 00:48:26,218
very proud to say that, that we built the thing, and thanks

793
00:48:26,258 --> 00:48:29,621
to Ray Dalio, and thanks, it is an amazing, like I said, it can do so much

794
00:48:29,661 --> 00:48:32,805
at once. But, so any country we go into, we're

795
00:48:32,825 --> 00:48:36,330
the best they've ever seen. And we need to help them

796
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:39,693
with that. We have to turn that into a valuable, that's

797
00:48:39,734 --> 00:48:42,917
the goal of the nonprofit, is to go in and help society and help. And in

798
00:48:42,957 --> 00:48:46,301
this case, discovery is important, but helping them

799
00:48:46,361 --> 00:48:49,805
make the transition to a more to

800
00:48:49,845 --> 00:48:53,146
an economy that will think more about

801
00:48:53,186 --> 00:48:56,587
the ocean and protect the ocean and view the long-term investment and

802
00:48:56,967 --> 00:49:00,468
value the ocean the way it should be. So how can we help them do that at

803
00:49:00,508 --> 00:49:03,848
the same time where they're trying to develop as a country, where the country is

804
00:49:03,868 --> 00:49:06,989
trying to grow to be a more developed country? So

805
00:49:07,009 --> 00:49:11,010
how can we help them do that at the same time? Because they seem to inherently understand

806
00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:14,391
the idea that this exploitive extraction from their waters

807
00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:17,732
is not good. Also, in some cases, it's

808
00:49:17,772 --> 00:49:20,907
become difficult when they're extracting so

809
00:49:20,927 --> 00:49:24,730
much fish. And if it's a place

810
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:28,272
that lives on fish, there are many of these Southeast Asian countries that

811
00:49:28,352 --> 00:49:31,494
eat fish. And they're losing it. And so it's more of

812
00:49:31,514 --> 00:49:34,817
an issue, not just a financial issue, but a country that can't

813
00:49:34,917 --> 00:49:38,327
feed It's populous. Some countries in the Southeast Asia

814
00:49:38,447 --> 00:49:42,129
get 40% of their protein from fish, and the fish are going away. First

815
00:49:42,149 --> 00:49:45,431
of all, they're leaving the waters, but also they've been overfished dramatically. So they

816
00:49:45,551 --> 00:49:48,793
can't do that. And they think, well, they need more

817
00:49:48,833 --> 00:49:51,975
fish for the economy. And on the other hand, the more fish they take, the less they have. I

818
00:49:51,995 --> 00:49:56,399
mean, it's a terrible thing. But we say, maybe we can find a way. to

819
00:49:56,439 --> 00:50:00,260
reduce the take, or take in certain areas, protect other areas.

820
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,781
And there are examples of places in the US have done it,

821
00:50:03,821 --> 00:50:06,942
other countries have done it, where they protected fisheries. And the

822
00:50:07,002 --> 00:50:11,264
fisheries can rebound and get to a kind of a stable level

823
00:50:11,284 --> 00:50:16,385
of production, where they're not showing a decline. And if you look at

824
00:50:16,425 --> 00:50:20,227
values, for example, of effort put in, amount of fishing boats versus

825
00:50:20,307 --> 00:50:23,634
fish, You know you normally used to see this more fishing

826
00:50:23,654 --> 00:50:26,796
boats, the more fish now you just see that starting to plateau and

827
00:50:26,816 --> 00:50:31,378
you're piling more fishing boats and you're not getting any fish out because you know

828
00:50:31,398 --> 00:50:34,819
the cod fisheries in the North Atlantic where or our wake-up

829
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,594
call as a yeah, we're all but especially the. the

830
00:50:38,674 --> 00:50:42,158
Atlantic hemisphere that we can't just do that. We've been hunting those animals for

831
00:50:42,178 --> 00:50:45,422
a thousand years, Scott. And now

832
00:50:45,442 --> 00:50:48,987
we just can't do it. They're gone, right? So we

833
00:50:49,027 --> 00:50:52,672
can use a lot of our bad experience. And

834
00:50:52,732 --> 00:50:56,356
I think I go, for example, we spent a lot of time in the Florida Keys.

835
00:50:56,997 --> 00:51:00,501
you know, and I grew up in Florida and the Florida has done a terrible job

836
00:51:00,561 --> 00:51:04,264
and I'm saying it here at protecting its natural resources. And

837
00:51:04,284 --> 00:51:07,407
I, I imagine, you know, when I was young and

838
00:51:07,427 --> 00:51:10,750
we go to the keys, there was, you couldn't throw a rock. You didn't hit a dive spot.

839
00:51:13,032 --> 00:51:16,536
It could have grown into the largest dive site in the world, right?

840
00:51:16,596 --> 00:51:20,119
Because it had driving access. It's the only coral reef that America owns,

841
00:51:20,219 --> 00:51:23,662
except for what's in Hawaii, right? But it's the only, and it's one of the largest barrier

842
00:51:23,682 --> 00:51:26,986
reefs. Well, it is destroyed. No matter what the Florida

843
00:51:27,006 --> 00:51:30,129
Tourism Bureau might want to tell you, it's not on the top list for

844
00:51:30,189 --> 00:51:33,479
anybody to dive in the Caribbean. So if you go to a dive magazine, you

845
00:51:33,499 --> 00:51:36,782
say top dive spots, they're going to say Bonaire, they're going to say Turks

846
00:51:36,822 --> 00:51:39,885
and Caicos, they're going to say, you know, and that's basically every time I

847
00:51:39,925 --> 00:51:43,089
see that it's like Big Pine Key, it's Lou Key, it's all

848
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:46,412
the keys could have been in that list. And they're not anymore because of everything they

849
00:51:46,452 --> 00:51:49,695
did, you know, and so you go to a foreign country and you're like, look, I

850
00:51:49,735 --> 00:51:53,034
can tell you how to ruin your coral reef. You over-fish it, which

851
00:51:53,074 --> 00:51:56,316
we did in Florida. Put anchors down all

852
00:51:56,336 --> 00:52:00,618
you want in Florida. We stopped doing that recently. You can

853
00:52:00,678 --> 00:52:04,100
neutrify the water by polluting, and you can pump raw sewage out of Miami,

854
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,862
processed sewage outside of Miami Bay. Still, to this day,

855
00:52:07,902 --> 00:52:11,044
we pump sewage into Miami Bay. You can do those things. And

856
00:52:11,064 --> 00:52:14,366
let me show you what it looks like. In my time, in the

857
00:52:14,466 --> 00:52:17,808
70s, I dove there. It was crazy. And then we

858
00:52:17,848 --> 00:52:20,939
had a trip to Cuba. And I

859
00:52:20,999 --> 00:52:24,263
say that's a real kick in the gut for a real red meat state

860
00:52:24,303 --> 00:52:27,427
like Florida. They don't love Fidel Castro and his

861
00:52:27,487 --> 00:52:30,711
Cuba, but I'll tell you, Fidel Castro did a better job of protecting the waters around Cuba.

862
00:52:30,731 --> 00:52:33,835
He did. And I'm going to get killed for saying this, but I dove in

863
00:52:33,855 --> 00:52:37,549
that area. We were talking about it earlier. saltwater crocs,

864
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:41,190
you've got whales, you've got bait balls, you know, you've got the thing that you

865
00:52:41,250 --> 00:52:44,691
had in Florida. It's gone, right? And that's 90 miles

866
00:52:44,952 --> 00:52:48,533
off the coast. So it's not a climate change issue in Florida. Those

867
00:52:48,613 --> 00:52:51,714
reefs were actively destroyed by, you know,

868
00:52:51,754 --> 00:52:55,175
and there's a lot of great people down there working. Now we've got this disease running down

869
00:52:55,195 --> 00:52:58,416
the coast. I mean, I have to say, I went down there and dove. I

870
00:52:58,456 --> 00:53:01,637
hadn't dove 20 years there. And when we brought Aleutia there, we did this

871
00:53:01,697 --> 00:53:05,398
very extensive set of experiments all the way from dry Tortuga up.

872
00:53:05,918 --> 00:53:09,580
to Miami Bay. And we went that direction because we didn't want

873
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,921
to drag the disease with us as we went down. We were recommended, if you're going to dive

874
00:53:13,381 --> 00:53:16,703
in the diseased parts of the water, don't. So I did that. And I said, of all the places

875
00:53:16,743 --> 00:53:19,964
I've been in the world, I've never seen in a country like

876
00:53:19,984 --> 00:53:23,286
the United States, why would we do that? And I'm on the boat,

877
00:53:23,326 --> 00:53:27,188
and we're having these press conferences. And the beauty of being OceanX is nobody

878
00:53:27,268 --> 00:53:30,409
owns us. Right? Right. Some of the laboratories that

879
00:53:30,449 --> 00:53:33,590
we worked with there, they're all state-funded, and they don't keep their mouths shut. I

880
00:53:33,610 --> 00:53:37,717
don't keep my mouth shut. And now they're debating whether they should

881
00:53:37,757 --> 00:53:41,121
ban certain types of sunblock. And I was saying to the guy like, are

882
00:53:41,141 --> 00:53:44,465
you kidding me? Can you look in the water out there and am

883
00:53:44,525 --> 00:53:47,843
I sure that sunblock Are you changing sunblocks going to protect your reef?

884
00:53:47,943 --> 00:53:51,165
No. I don't know. But I'm going to tell you, if you put sunblock in a tank

885
00:53:51,185 --> 00:53:54,587
with fish, with reef, it kills them, right? Yeah, but you don't know. OK,

886
00:53:54,627 --> 00:53:58,389
you go ahead. But you've got a patient underwater there that's like on life support. So

887
00:53:58,569 --> 00:54:01,871
can you not do everything you can possibly do to revive this thing?

888
00:54:01,891 --> 00:54:05,253
Or are you just going to argue with me about whether sunscreen, which

889
00:54:05,313 --> 00:54:08,475
blocks the sun rays, is from getting to your skin, and corals need sun? So I

890
00:54:08,515 --> 00:54:11,797
don't know. Logically, it makes sense to me. I'm saying like, well, penguins are

891
00:54:11,837 --> 00:54:16,202
out there. And by the way, penguins live in Mexico. So

892
00:54:16,822 --> 00:54:20,024
all your complaints, the Mexicans figured this

893
00:54:20,064 --> 00:54:23,205
stuff out. And Florida's arguing the point, like, really, I

894
00:54:23,325 --> 00:54:26,606
mean, really nailing the coffin. So I realized that

895
00:54:26,647 --> 00:54:30,068
those points that the messaging that we do at OceanX is even

896
00:54:30,108 --> 00:54:33,589
more important than the science, because what I was surrounded by was amazing scientists

897
00:54:33,609 --> 00:54:36,991
studying these diseased coral. And I'm like, guys, like,

898
00:54:37,531 --> 00:54:41,022
it's like the economy, stupid, you know, like it is That's

899
00:54:41,382 --> 00:54:45,686
the problem is facing you there. You know that you screwed up the Everglades. So

900
00:54:45,786 --> 00:54:49,129
I go to other countries, and I'm like, I'm not here to tell you, in

901
00:54:49,149 --> 00:54:53,332
your developing country, how America does things better. Of

902
00:54:53,352 --> 00:54:56,594
course. And they don't want to hear that. And you know what? We don't tell them that, because we didn't

903
00:54:56,654 --> 00:55:00,517
do that. No. I can't stand there and go, let me bring you to the Florida

904
00:55:00,597 --> 00:55:03,760
grief and show you how beautiful it is. And I'm sure I won't be

905
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:07,723
allowed to go to Florida again. But on the other hand, please stop.

906
00:55:07,743 --> 00:55:11,554
Yeah, it's true. And they've got this huge multi-billion dollar

907
00:55:11,574 --> 00:55:14,695
plan to try to fix the Everglades. Where is

908
00:55:14,755 --> 00:55:17,936
it? They've got to fix the problem that they made. So, you

909
00:55:17,956 --> 00:55:21,416
know, I think that we have case studies in that direction.

910
00:55:21,456 --> 00:55:24,857
And so, and then you've got Cuba right across the water,

911
00:55:24,877 --> 00:55:28,058
you know. So I think that in the

912
00:55:28,098 --> 00:55:33,839
thing about OceanX was beautiful for me as a person to witness all of this. Whether

913
00:55:33,879 --> 00:55:37,240
it's the Red Sea or the Indian Pacific or the Arctic or

914
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,331
the Antarctic or I've been in all the oceans. I've

915
00:55:41,351 --> 00:55:45,073
seen it all firsthand, you know, from the from a submarine. I've

916
00:55:45,113 --> 00:55:48,334
talked to everybody about it, right? So so it's not a I'm

917
00:55:48,374 --> 00:55:51,576
not it's not a fake news thing. It's a like I've known it seen it.

918
00:55:51,676 --> 00:55:55,478
Yeah, people a lot of people have I'm not the only one scientists do it but Ocean

919
00:55:55,518 --> 00:55:58,837
X has given me the unique opportunity to be. to be there and

920
00:55:58,857 --> 00:56:02,099
to look at all that. But then to see

921
00:56:02,139 --> 00:56:05,461
that in enlightened societies, think about it,

922
00:56:05,721 --> 00:56:09,203
right? Think about waste treatment. You know, the Florida Keys

923
00:56:09,983 --> 00:56:13,084
had septic systems on the keys. I mean, what were you thinking? These are

924
00:56:18,469 --> 00:56:21,690
And you're going to put, you know, E. coli down there and you think

925
00:56:21,730 --> 00:56:25,111
it's not going to get out into the, of course it neutrified the whole area, right? And

926
00:56:25,131 --> 00:56:28,293
you're going to block the water that's filtered through the Everglades and

927
00:56:28,353 --> 00:56:31,774
now you're getting fertilizer. I mean, so, you know, you

928
00:56:31,834 --> 00:56:35,716
see these things and you see countries that are really trying hard to

929
00:56:35,756 --> 00:56:39,117
avoid those problems. And that to me is, is just that solution happening

930
00:56:39,137 --> 00:56:42,384
right there. So to kind of bring that message, is what I

931
00:56:42,424 --> 00:56:45,827
think is great. And then to bring the technology, but it's more

932
00:56:45,847 --> 00:56:48,930
than technology, it's a way of thinking, which is a

933
00:56:49,010 --> 00:56:52,273
way of thinking. So to say to them, like, for

934
00:56:52,433 --> 00:56:55,556
sure, Western culture doesn't have the answer to

935
00:56:55,616 --> 00:56:59,679
these problems. We have answers by the fact that we did things wrong. And

936
00:56:59,799 --> 00:57:03,882
so what I'm going to ask of you is to just feel

937
00:57:03,902 --> 00:57:07,247
in your heart, what does your heart telling you? And then let us help you

938
00:57:07,287 --> 00:57:10,873
with the technology. Let us help you see the solutions to

939
00:57:10,893 --> 00:57:14,258
your problems and maybe we can solve it together. And that, that kind

940
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:19,821
Well, I think also there's that side, which I think is a very

941
00:57:19,941 --> 00:57:23,642
admirable side, because we need more solutions. We need more people. Not

942
00:57:23,682 --> 00:57:27,203
only do we have the solution, but we need more people putting those solutions into

943
00:57:27,283 --> 00:57:31,363
place, whether it be through business, whether it be non-profit, for-profit

944
00:57:31,764 --> 00:57:35,224
businesses, but basically putting those solutions so that people see

945
00:57:35,264 --> 00:57:39,245
it. We need to see these kelp-made

946
00:57:39,425 --> 00:57:42,966
clothing, and we need to see the ways to... Yeah,

947
00:57:43,026 --> 00:57:46,649
bamboo and no more single-use plastic, but the alternatives

948
00:57:46,689 --> 00:57:50,231
to that, not just so that we regulate, which we still need to do, regulate and

949
00:57:50,291 --> 00:57:53,833
ban some of those materials, but also offer those alternatives

950
00:57:53,853 --> 00:57:57,175
so it's not difficult to find and be able to go out and find

951
00:57:57,195 --> 00:58:00,617
it, which is great. But I think the other side, which is a huge side

952
00:58:00,657 --> 00:58:04,339
too, is to educate and inspire the

953
00:58:04,379 --> 00:58:07,561
people who are watching this message. There are people out there who want to

954
00:58:07,581 --> 00:58:10,783
know more about the ocean. There are people who are out there who don't want to just know

955
00:58:10,823 --> 00:58:14,425
about the doom and gloom, but they crave those

956
00:58:14,485 --> 00:58:17,627
solutions so that they can be like, okay, we're actually on the right track here.

957
00:58:17,647 --> 00:58:22,349
There's actually ways to do it. Because I think what happens is The

958
00:58:22,429 --> 00:58:26,371
messaging around a lot of these major problems for

959
00:58:26,411 --> 00:58:29,593
people who don't want to change is there's nothing you can do about it. So

960
00:58:29,613 --> 00:58:32,914
you might as well just rely on it. And

961
00:58:33,654 --> 00:58:36,816
if people see that there are solutions, then

962
00:58:36,836 --> 00:58:40,358
they can start to put pressure on the people who are avoiding those solutions or

963
00:58:40,398 --> 00:58:43,959
avoiding putting those solutions into play or putting up barricades to

964
00:58:43,979 --> 00:58:47,401
those solutions to say, hey, you know what? Maybe you shouldn't be in those positions of

965
00:58:47,421 --> 00:58:50,762
power anymore. And if it's something that's elected, Maybe you

966
00:58:50,802 --> 00:58:54,064
shouldn't be elected into those positions of power, and maybe we should put

967
00:58:54,104 --> 00:58:57,505
people who want more solutions to be put in place, who want

968
00:58:57,525 --> 00:59:01,167
to address the problems into place. I feel like there's a definite

969
00:59:01,727 --> 00:59:05,148
benefit to that type of messaging that OceanX will

970
00:59:05,168 --> 00:59:08,329
be putting out for people to see and just be like, hey, you know

971
00:59:08,369 --> 00:59:12,131
what? No, I'm on side of putting these solutions into

972
00:59:14,812 --> 00:59:17,915
I blame a little bit Hollywood recently because there's a

973
00:59:18,135 --> 00:59:21,237
sort of dystopic Hollywood messaging around the future, you

974
00:59:21,257 --> 00:59:24,560
know, they just kind of right and yeah,

975
00:59:24,660 --> 00:59:28,023
I know that it's easier to write those kind of shows that is to yeah,

976
00:59:28,543 --> 00:59:31,886
but I want to think like they're thinking either

977
00:59:31,906 --> 00:59:35,008
we have to go back to little house in the prairie going to give up all of our tech and

978
00:59:35,048 --> 00:59:38,291
everything's going to go back to work. We're telling you is that you got to give up all this

979
00:59:38,351 --> 00:59:42,151
amazing stuff. And that's the dystopic part

980
00:59:42,171 --> 00:59:47,458
where you're going to end up chasing zombies or whatever on horseback. The

981
00:59:47,498 --> 00:59:50,583
choice isn't that we're going to pollute the world and it's going to be

982
00:59:50,623 --> 00:59:54,208
hard. I mean, the Blade Runner, right? The raining and then, oh my God, it's never

983
00:59:54,248 --> 00:59:57,749
sunny out. It can

984
00:59:57,789 --> 01:00:01,111
happen. It doesn't have to happen. In fact, we can have both. It's

985
01:00:01,152 --> 01:00:04,774
the cake and eating it part that I love to tell the story of like, just

986
01:00:04,814 --> 01:00:08,437
because I'm saying oil's a bad thing doesn't mean I want us to go back to before oil.

987
01:00:10,619 --> 01:00:13,861
In fact, that's the truth. It's moved past it. It's almost like saying, well, should

988
01:00:13,881 --> 01:00:18,484
we just go back to killing whales again? It's ludicrous. The

989
01:00:18,524 --> 01:00:23,227
beauty of all this is the human spirit and the generational, I'm

990
01:00:23,347 --> 01:00:26,849
older, but I get to just live in this world of optimism. It's

991
01:00:26,889 --> 01:00:30,031
not optimism as much as I see it differently. Like I was

992
01:00:30,051 --> 01:00:33,295
saying before, I see it as like this is the time of opportunity. Because

993
01:00:33,315 --> 01:00:36,956
the species ain't going anywhere, and we're not going back. Nobody's

994
01:00:36,976 --> 01:00:40,118
going to accept that, OK, we're going to go horse and carriage now. No, no,

995
01:00:40,158 --> 01:00:43,799
we're not going to accept that. Because if you're going to offer horse and carriage or a hydrogen vehicle,

996
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,480
I'm taking the hydrogen vehicle, right? I mean, I'm doing that. For sure. So

997
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,721
I think that the thing is, it's the chance, it's the real chance to make

998
01:00:50,782 --> 01:00:55,403
money. It's a chance to build a new world. is

999
01:00:55,463 --> 01:00:59,207
a good incentive in a way. The non-profit space is absolutely essential,

1000
01:00:59,227 --> 01:01:02,449
like I said, but that letting people know that there's a future, and

1001
01:01:02,489 --> 01:01:05,852
it's going to be a happy future, and we're going to like it just as much. We're

1002
01:01:05,892 --> 01:01:09,014
going to get over the fact that the car doesn't make the same noise it does when

1003
01:01:09,054 --> 01:01:12,217
you put it in there, right? But it doesn't make the

1004
01:01:12,237 --> 01:01:16,447
same noise. You're going to get over that. I mean, I love I

1005
01:01:16,487 --> 01:01:19,690
love Bruce Springsteen, but the generation of cars of that, you

1006
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:22,993
know, that muscle car concept, you know,

1007
01:01:23,033 --> 01:01:26,136
it'll change somehow. Well, there'll be a new concept that comes out

1008
01:01:26,176 --> 01:01:29,278
of it, but we will, you know, we will find that place and

1009
01:01:29,318 --> 01:01:32,481
it's okay. We'll be okay. We'll get there. It'll still be, it'll be

1010
01:01:32,521 --> 01:01:35,944
great. The world will be even greater, you know, and life will

1011
01:01:35,964 --> 01:01:39,467
come back. I mean, I think the planet renewed will

1012
01:01:39,507 --> 01:01:42,903
surprise people. you know, yeah, surprise people said years

1013
01:01:42,963 --> 01:01:46,345
around the streets like it actually really let the coral reefs

1014
01:01:46,385 --> 01:01:49,766
come back in the rain for us come back. That's the future I I

1015
01:01:49,786 --> 01:01:52,908
would love to see I was fortunate to go to some

1016
01:01:52,928 --> 01:01:57,109
of these places before some of them are damaged and there's still some of them that are there. Earth

1017
01:01:57,129 --> 01:02:00,491
will rebuild itself, but it needs time needs us to leave it alone,

1018
01:02:00,531 --> 01:02:04,112
you know, but that will happen so the future isn't doom and gloom it's

1019
01:02:04,313 --> 01:02:07,694
instead. opportunity for the new world, to

1020
01:02:07,734 --> 01:02:11,356
build a new world. You don't get that opportunity often.

1021
01:02:12,216 --> 01:02:16,578
If you can now build energy systems to compete with ExxonMobil, you're

1022
01:02:16,598 --> 01:02:20,000
doing good. Let's say that you can make

1023
01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:23,161
energy, you've got a windmill and you can make energy and you can make hydrogen and

1024
01:02:23,201 --> 01:02:27,623
you can sell it to your neighbor. You've just beat ExxonMobil. Everybody

1025
01:02:27,663 --> 01:02:31,065
doing this in its own little way. Because you can't drill in your backyard

1026
01:02:31,085 --> 01:02:34,388
and find oil and refine it and sell it. That's in the domain of

1027
01:02:34,468 --> 01:02:37,691
large companies that take it to places where it is and move it

1028
01:02:37,711 --> 01:02:41,434
to places where it isn't and refine it. It's a very elaborate process.

1029
01:02:41,554 --> 01:02:44,837
But now imagine that you have a windmill and you make enough power to

1030
01:02:44,877 --> 01:02:48,480
make enough hydrogen or electricity to give to your neighbor or

1031
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:52,488
to make enough for yourself or to power a few cars or if you've got a dam In

1032
01:02:52,528 --> 01:02:56,154
a city, you can make enough to drive all the cars in the city, right? Oh, suddenly

1033
01:02:56,615 --> 01:02:59,940
it's a different playing field for energy. Now, suddenly energy becomes

1034
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:03,346
open to everybody. And if you're in North Africa right now,

1035
01:03:04,253 --> 01:03:08,235
You should be sitting around going, we have the sun. And

1036
01:03:08,516 --> 01:03:12,038
they need energy north up in Europe. So let's make

1037
01:03:12,078 --> 01:03:15,940
the hydrogen. Let's put it in pipes. And let's send it up there. And they're

1038
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,562
going to be making green energy up there. And they don't have to get it from places

1039
01:03:19,602 --> 01:03:22,724
that are not as pleasant. And they've had that fuel for

1040
01:03:22,764 --> 01:03:26,066
so long, they don't remember how to govern properly. Because the fuel is

1041
01:03:26,126 --> 01:03:29,328
just so rich with it. So in some places, not all

1042
01:03:29,348 --> 01:03:33,270
places. Yeah, of course. But now this changes the balance, right?

1043
01:03:33,350 --> 01:03:36,512
And allows you to think more, wow, creative ways to

1044
01:03:36,572 --> 01:03:39,774
do things, you know? So I think it's a time of

1045
01:03:39,814 --> 01:03:43,016
opportunity and a time of excitement. I think it could be amongst young

1046
01:03:43,056 --> 01:03:46,538
people. But the messaging, like you said, we really can't continue

1047
01:03:47,418 --> 01:03:51,201
pounding away on the dystopic future. It makes for great movies. And

1048
01:03:51,241 --> 01:03:54,643
I don't tell Howard to do their business. But the fact is, that

1049
01:03:58,780 --> 01:04:02,287
Not the future we want. Young people are going to be optimistic. My young

1050
01:04:02,327 --> 01:04:05,614
children, I have 13 and 15 year old, and I try to tell them like, don't, don't.

1051
01:04:06,435 --> 01:04:09,836
Don't worry about that. It's your chance to grab this thing now.

1052
01:04:10,257 --> 01:04:14,118
And we're out there with all the computer technology

1053
01:04:14,138 --> 01:04:17,600
and AI and hydrogen, all these different things are building

1054
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:20,801
this new world that you're going to take home. And it's just

1055
01:04:20,821 --> 01:04:24,363
going to work better. In the end, it's going to take years, years

1056
01:04:24,403 --> 01:04:27,664
before everybody can make the change to these things. But so what?

1057
01:04:27,744 --> 01:04:31,046
It took years to get where we are. It takes time.

1058
01:04:32,384 --> 01:04:36,428
What we're talking about takes time, but it takes people to

1059
01:04:36,468 --> 01:04:41,372
be inspired, to be optimistic, and I think the line

1060
01:04:41,392 --> 01:04:45,495
that OceanX is on and the direction that OceanX is taking, I think is a great way

1061
01:04:45,535 --> 01:04:49,138
to start this off, to get more people inspired,

1062
01:04:49,178 --> 01:04:52,862
to get people looking for solutions, look around, and then continuing on

1063
01:04:52,902 --> 01:04:56,124
and being part of that solution, I think is the future. Like you said, there's

1064
01:04:56,164 --> 01:04:59,287
opportunity. There's money to be made and it doesn't have to come at the

1065
01:04:59,347 --> 01:05:03,609
cost of the environment and of the planet and of the ocean. I think that

1066
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:07,072
is probably the perfect way to even sum up what we need to do

1067
01:05:07,112 --> 01:05:10,454
in our planet and what OceanX is helping to do for our planet with

1068
01:05:14,196 --> 01:05:17,959
So I love that aspect. I'll tell you and your listeners, send

1069
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:21,995
us your solution. Your ocean view. And

1070
01:05:22,055 --> 01:05:25,358
what we'll do is if we find time or find

1071
01:05:25,418 --> 01:05:28,740
place or find a location, we'll highlight that concept. We'll

1072
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:32,002
be your free advertising. Because we're looking at having

1073
01:05:32,022 --> 01:05:35,284
people come on board that do these things. We're already doing that. Bringing them

1074
01:05:35,344 --> 01:05:38,507
on board and saying, showcase what you're doing. Let's put it down there. Let's visit it.

1075
01:05:38,547 --> 01:05:42,371
Let's visit the fish farm, seaweed farm. and talk about solutions

1076
01:05:42,471 --> 01:05:46,477
rather than and we have a brilliant way of his brilliant filmmakers

1077
01:05:46,537 --> 01:05:49,762
and storytellers in our court and by the way they're all gung-ho on

1078
01:05:49,802 --> 01:05:53,307
the idea because they see it for us. So we're all gung-ho we're

1079
01:05:53,327 --> 01:05:57,132
all this optimistic group there, you know they just want us to help

1080
01:05:57,172 --> 01:06:00,595
so when I talk to the group about OK we're going to make this pivot everybody yes

1081
01:06:00,655 --> 01:06:03,757
because we see we're not we're not yeah, I mean

1082
01:06:03,817 --> 01:06:07,359
it's a notion it's never been doom and gloom we've always been like that optimism around

1083
01:06:07,399 --> 01:06:10,601
the ocean and how beautiful it is and that's worked and that's gotten an

1084
01:06:10,701 --> 01:06:13,983
audience that's like totally thrilled by that we also want to say like okay,

1085
01:06:14,003 --> 01:06:17,390
you love the animals. what can you do to protect them is think

1086
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:20,713
about, you go out and make some money and

1087
01:06:20,773 --> 01:06:24,216
start a company that's going to be, but, but go with that new sensibility that

1088
01:06:24,236 --> 01:06:27,419
you're going to, that this generation is going to have more than any that can

1089
01:06:27,459 --> 01:06:31,022
solve that problem. 100%. I love this. And

1090
01:06:33,968 --> 01:06:37,290
I think that's fantastic. I look forward to seeing

1091
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this messaging coming out. I think it's going to be something that it's

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necessary. We need it. We need more of this solution. I think it's filling that

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People don't want to be pointed fingers at.

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As a scientist, I don't see a reason to do that. We're all in this

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01:06:53,899 --> 01:06:57,061
together. Just taking sides, it

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01:06:57,722 --> 01:07:01,184
doesn't work. I used to do AIDS activism

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01:07:01,204 --> 01:07:04,605
when I was younger around AIDS when it was such an issue. We learned early

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01:07:04,785 --> 01:07:08,127
on that what we call disease pitting wasn't going to work, like saying

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01:07:08,187 --> 01:07:11,508
no, cancer needs to get more money. We're all in this boat

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01:07:11,548 --> 01:07:16,310
together of health and we're all in this boat of motion together. Science

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01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:19,651
and technology and social responsible behavior will

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01:07:19,691 --> 01:07:23,892
all lift everybody up and there's no finger pointing. Anybody

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01:07:23,912 --> 01:07:27,033
who's making an effort to make this work better is going to be part of

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01:07:27,053 --> 01:07:30,315
the party. Anybody who signs up for a better

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01:07:30,355 --> 01:07:34,011
world, So to me it's just

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01:07:34,051 --> 01:07:37,133
the time to get in on it right now. Get in on the fun, get in

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01:07:37,153 --> 01:07:40,454
on the excitement. And OceanX is just sort of about if you love the ocean

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01:07:40,754 --> 01:07:44,156
and you don't want to think about climbing, you just want to see how beautiful it

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01:07:44,256 --> 01:07:48,218
is, it's a home for that. If you want to see that you

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01:07:48,238 --> 01:07:52,059
don't need to do anything, you just want to see that the world is going to be better, that's

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01:07:52,099 --> 01:07:55,601
what we'll bring to people. Because that's what the world is. It's a beautiful place

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01:07:55,641 --> 01:07:59,010
and keeping it that way, through hope and

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01:07:59,110 --> 01:08:02,336
thought and work is what we're all about. So to

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I love that and I can't wait to see the

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messages that are coming out in the future. Love

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01:08:13,148 --> 01:08:16,530
to be a part of that and looking forward to Vincent having you back on

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01:08:16,570 --> 01:08:19,811
or anybody from OceanX back on to help tell those

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01:08:19,851 --> 01:08:23,172
stories and share those with this audience because I know we're looking

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01:08:24,172 --> 01:08:27,293
I have a whole team of people who you'd love, who would love to talk to you. I have to

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say that your show is part

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01:08:30,855 --> 01:08:34,336
of the solution to this problem and having you out talking

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01:08:35,777 --> 01:08:39,200
to the people, to your audience, that we talk to our audience, again, it's

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01:08:39,220 --> 01:08:42,743
part of the team of communicators, to communicate the

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01:08:42,783 --> 01:08:45,986
beauty and the solutions and everything about the ocean. And to me,

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01:08:46,927 --> 01:08:50,530
you embody a piece of what we embody, is that we all feel excited

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01:08:54,614 --> 01:08:57,896
Absolutely. Yeah, no, I can't wait. Yeah, we'll definitely team up

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01:08:57,976 --> 01:09:01,559
on some more storytelling. And I'm looking forward to doing that. You

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01:09:01,579 --> 01:09:04,841
know, we definitely on the same page of that. So thank you so much,

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01:09:04,881 --> 01:09:08,283
Vincent, for spending time. You're very busy. So I appreciate you

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01:09:08,383 --> 01:09:11,866
taking the time and being able to share all this new and exciting

1131
01:09:11,906 --> 01:09:15,068
information with our audience. And we look forward to hearing from you again.

1132
01:09:17,234 --> 01:09:20,599
Thank you, Vincent, for joining me on today's episode of the How

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01:09:20,619 --> 01:09:23,743
to Protect the Ocean podcast. It was great to be able to hear what OceanX is going to be

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01:09:23,763 --> 01:09:27,268
doing in the future. Thank you for bringing that to me. We really appreciate it.

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01:09:27,288 --> 01:09:30,472
This audience appreciates you and the staff, the work

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01:09:30,492 --> 01:09:34,116
that you guys do. It's amazing. to see all this information

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01:09:34,196 --> 01:09:37,317
coming to us. It's something like a dream of a scientist to be able to

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01:09:37,377 --> 01:09:40,498
say, hey, I'm going to take this boat, and I'm going to get on it, and I'm going

1139
01:09:40,518 --> 01:09:43,639
to collect all this different information, not only just for me, but it's going to

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01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:47,100
be for the government. That's what I love about this. If you

1141
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:50,401
heard Vincent talk, it's not just like going to a

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01:09:50,481 --> 01:09:53,642
coastline of the Solomon Islands, taking data, and bringing it

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01:09:53,683 --> 01:09:57,145
back to the US. or North America and saying, hey, we're

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01:09:57,165 --> 01:10:00,268
going to just do whatever we want with this data and not share with it. No, they're going over there

1145
01:10:00,288 --> 01:10:03,451
and be like, what data do you need to collect? We can be here to collect it

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01:10:03,531 --> 01:10:06,874
with you. And they partner with these countries, this

1147
01:10:06,934 --> 01:10:10,137
organization partners with this country, and they say, hey, look, we're

1148
01:10:10,177 --> 01:10:13,500
here to help you. What can we do? Now they're going to start to say, hey, what

1149
01:10:13,540 --> 01:10:16,963
solutions are you looking for? And how can we foster that

1150
01:10:17,023 --> 01:10:20,945
by inspiring people, business leaders, or up-and-coming entrepreneurs

1151
01:10:21,205 --> 01:10:24,487
to be like, hey, you know what? Do you want to solve a problem? Because that's what business is. Do

1152
01:10:24,507 --> 01:10:27,769
you want to solve a problem? Let's solve a problem. And what I love

1153
01:10:27,789 --> 01:10:31,351
about this conversation, it wasn't just promoting OceanX. This

1154
01:10:31,411 --> 01:10:34,593
was about what OceanX's mission is. And that is to

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01:10:34,673 --> 01:10:37,895
help the ocean, help us understand the

1156
01:10:37,975 --> 01:10:41,117
ocean better, help us find solutions for the ocean. And that's what

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01:10:41,157 --> 01:10:44,318
it's giving us. in the future and I can't wait for that. So

1158
01:10:44,398 --> 01:10:47,600
again, Vincent, thank you so much for spending time with

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01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:50,882
me today, with our audience today and telling us about OceanX and its new

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01:10:51,322 --> 01:10:55,304
sort of path and its new mission to bring ocean solutions to

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01:10:55,544 --> 01:10:58,726
us. We really appreciate it and we look forward to having you back on. We look forward to

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01:10:58,786 --> 01:11:02,188
hearing from you and the staff of OceanX in the future on

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01:11:02,208 --> 01:11:05,849
this podcast to be able to tell us all the wonderful solutions that you find, and

1164
01:11:05,909 --> 01:11:09,071
I'm looking forward to that. So folks, if you loved this episode and you

1165
01:11:09,111 --> 01:11:12,372
want to hear more, you can subscribe or follow, however you need to do.

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01:11:12,412 --> 01:11:15,633
You can see us on YouTube, on Spotify. We have videos as well

1167
01:11:15,673 --> 01:11:19,515
on Spotify. We're on Apple, and we're on all your favorite podcasts. And

1168
01:11:19,555 --> 01:11:22,796
of course, we're on the website speakupforblue.com. You can get

1169
01:11:23,097 --> 01:11:26,300
access to Beyond Jaws, How to Protect the Ocean, and other

1170
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:29,543
podcasts. So you can just go there and enjoy all the

1171
01:11:29,583 --> 01:11:32,866
different types of content on wildlife and ocean. I want to thank

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01:11:32,906 --> 01:11:36,129
you so much for joining me on today's episode of the How to Protect the

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01:11:36,189 --> 01:11:39,692
Ocean podcast. Have a great day. We'll talk to you next time, and happy conservation.