March 11, 2025

How the Panama Canal Expansion is Threatening Panama’s Ecosystem and Water Supply

How the Panama Canal Expansion is Threatening Panama’s Ecosystem and Water Supply

The Panama Canal expansion allowed bigger ships to move through the canal; however, it also allowed an invasion of saltwater and saltwater fish into a freshwater lake, which threatened freshwater fish species and half of the country's drinking water....

The Panama Canal expansion allowed bigger ships to move through the canal; however, it also allowed an invasion of saltwater and saltwater fish into a freshwater lake, which threatened freshwater fish species and half of the country's drinking water.

I dive into the unintended consequences of the 2016 Panama Canal expansion. Saltwater species from the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans are now invading Lake Gatún, displacing native freshwater fish and jeopardizing the water supply for nearly half of Panama’s population.

Find out how this ecological shift is affecting local communities and the potential solutions Panama is considering to address this growing crisis. 

Link to article: https://www.thecooldown.com/outdoors/panama-canal-expansion-fish-invasion-lake-gatun/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=TheCoolDown/magazine/The+Cool+Down

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Panama is having a crucial problem right

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now that could affect their puddle of

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water for half of Panama's population

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due to the expansion of the Panama Canal

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in 2016 that led to invasive saltwater

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species getting into

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a freshwater resource

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that's not only displacing fishermen but

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also affecting the quality of water that

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is coming into Panama.

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We're going to talk about it on today's

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episode of the How to Protect the Ocean

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podcast. Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of How to

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Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I'm your host Andrew Lewin. This is the

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you can do to live for a

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On today's episode, we're going to be

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talking about the Panama Canal, not

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because the US wants to take it over

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and maybe after they find this out, they

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may not want to take it over, which

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they're not going to, let's be honest.

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But we're talking about the Panama Canal

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because of a 2016 expansion that had a

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design to accommodate larger vessels that

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inadvertently facilitated the migration

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of saltwater fish from both the Atlantic

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and the Pacific into a

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lake called Lake Gatun.

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I think I'm pronouncing that properly.

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It's a canals primary freshwater

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reservoir and this ecological fish is

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displacing native freshwater species and

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adversely affecting local communities.

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And also on top of that, it could

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threaten the potable water situation,

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which is the drinkable water situation

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and usable water situation for the half

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of Panama's population.

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This could be big. This could be very

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scary in the future if it's not

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addressed. And so let's talk about what

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Let's get back into the show. This is

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something that I feel like is really

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important because it's something that you

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don't always see ahead of time. If you

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don't do a good job addressing the

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potential issues that

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could happen in the future.

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So when the Panama Canal expansion

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happened normally, and I assume it went

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through because I didn't get the

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information on it, but normally you would

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do an environmental assessment like you

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would do for any kind of development. You

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would find out what the strengths are,

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what the potential consequences are.

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This is one of the consequences that

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could have come out from one of those if

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they were done thoroughly. Again, I don't

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know if it was done thoroughly or not. I

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couldn't get a hold of one and I couldn't

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find out if one was

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done. I assume it was done.

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However, what eventually happened was we

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started to see saltwater incursion into

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their freshwater Lake Gattun, which has a

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lot of other different fish. It has

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peacock bass and tilapia, which local

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communities actually fish and eat. Those

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species are being displaced by snooks,

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jacks and snappers who if you know those

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species, they are saltwater species. That

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means there's marine water, saltwater

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that's getting into fresh water that's

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obviously going to change the dynamics of

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that ecosystem and that habitat.

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Getting rid of freshwater species because

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they can't handle the salt and bring in

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more saltwater species. Not only is that

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a problem, but they're coming in from the

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Atlantic and they're

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coming in from the Pacific.

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So you're getting not only a mix of

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saltwater, but you're getting a mix of

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species that could potentially cross into

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each other's oceans through the Panama

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Canal. So Atlantic species could get into

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the Pacific. Pacific species

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could get into the Atlantic.

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That could be a very big problem when it

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comes to invasive species. If you don't

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know what invasive species is, a species

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that gets into a system that doesn't

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normally live there and that could do

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very well in that system.

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And there are a lot of examples probably

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the most important or one of the most

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recently popular species that has done

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this is the lionfish. Lionfish normally

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is from the Indo-Pacific and it will eat

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a lot of smaller fish around there.

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And it's not dominant within those

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systems, but it does well within those

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systems. It's a predator within those

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systems. The lionfish is a very popular

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marine hobby fish that you find in tanks

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all around North America

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and all around the world.

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In North America, it is said that two or

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more lionfish were actually released into

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the ocean from those tanks, like the

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people who were done with it and they

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just released into the ocean. Not

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thinking that, hey, you know what? Those

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species don't belong there and they're

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probably going to die

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anyway or get eaten.

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But actually they reproduced and they

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lived and somehow they went all the way

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from like the lower half of the southeast

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of the US all the way down into the

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Caribbean where they proliferated very

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well. They did very well in those areas.

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And now they are dominating reefs in many

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places. If you go diving the Dominican,

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you go diving in Jamaica pretty much

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anywhere within the Caribbean, you can

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pretty much find a lionfish. They're

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pretty much everywhere.

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And there are a lot of people who go and

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hunt them and try and get and try and

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reduce their population, but they do so

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well. They end up eating a lot of other

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smaller reef fish, which affects the

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ecosystem of the

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Caribbean reefs, to be honest.

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And so they're a big problem in the

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Atlantic and in the Caribbean. Now you

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talk about if Atlantic species like

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lionfish gets into the Pacific on that

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side. And normally they're in the Indo

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Pacific, so near Indonesia and so forth.

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If they get into the Pacific, like the

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Eastern Pacific, which is like the side

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of North and South America where the

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Panama Canal comes out, they can go all

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the way up the coast or all the way down

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the coast and they can

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invade those systems as well.

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And this is why invasive species are so

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dangerous, right? So there's the threat

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of invasive species crossing the Atlantic

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and going into the Pacific or just

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species that are crossing the Atlantic

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going into Lake Khatun and then coming

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out of the Pacific and vice versa.

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Those become invasive species and they

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could proliferate very well in those

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areas. And then all of a sudden, now you

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have a lot of different invasive species.

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You lose biodiversity within each

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different oceans or

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those sections of the oceans.

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And you don't get a productive system.

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You don't get a healthy ecosystem. You

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can get a very affected ecosystem that

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can be impacted. And we don't want that.

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Let's go back into the fishing aspect for

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the local community. The article that I'm

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going to put in the show notes, talk to a

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couple of fishermen, including Felix

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Martinez Gonzalez, who

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reported dwindling catches.

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He said recently hauling in only 16

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pounds of fish over six hours, which was

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a stark decline from the pre-expansion

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yields. So in sports fishing guides like

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Elswaldo, Alberto Robles also noted

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intensified competition with numerous

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boats vying for scarce fish

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exacerbating resource depletion.

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So that means there are more people going

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out to fish the same fish and they're not

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as many fish. So there's more competition

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between boats or between fishermen. And

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that's becoming a problem as well. That

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can lead to a lot of conflicts.

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So obviously seeing this type of impact

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from the local fishing community as well

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as potential of invasive species and then

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just the dwindling of local species is

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very concerning when we talk about like

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such an important human creation in terms

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of the Panama Canal to connect the

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Atlantic and Pacific shipping lanes.

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This is a big part because we need the

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Panama Canal and we're affecting local

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communities where we could be introducing

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invasive species, which Panama Canal has

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always had to be careful of anyway

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because you're allowing ships to go from

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the Atlantic to the Pacific right away.

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But also you are affecting the potable

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water, which is like the drinkable and

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usable water for half the population of

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Panama. That is not a good thing. That's

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something that could be very, very

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dangerous in the future. It could affect

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a lot of people, obviously.

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There's a lot of people in Panama and

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also be dangerous. Just absolutely be

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dangerous to a lot of people. So they're

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going to have to figure out some type of

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response, some type of mitigation

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measures. And there have been looking at

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it. So Panamanian authorities are

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exploring different types of solutions.

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The environment minister Juan Carlos

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Navarro emphasizes a measured yet urgent

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approach encapsulated in the Spanish

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proverb, I get dressed slowly because I'm

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in a hurry. I don't know exactly what

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that means, but I assume that the

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intervention has to be done properly.

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So we have to take our time, but it has

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to be done as quickly as possible. That's

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how I interpret that. But I'd love to

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hear your thoughts too. You can just

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leave them in the comments below. But the

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potential interventions include

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installing barriers such as electric

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fields or even an air bubble curtain to

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prevent fish from getting in or to deter

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the movement of saltwater species into

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freshwater zones. However, these methods

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may impede shipping traffic and their

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effectiveness remains uncertain. So

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obviously more studies have to be done

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there. But again, we

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have to move quickly.

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Dr. Bela Galil, an expert on similar

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issues in the Suez Canal underscores a

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long term commitment required to manage

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invasive species warning that inaction

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could lead to destroyed areas. Obviously

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the situation underscores the complex

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problem and interplay between the

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infrastructural development and

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environmental stewardship.

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Highlighting the necessity for

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comprehensive planning before you do

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expansion and to mitigate an unintended

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ecological consequences. I don't know

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what happened before.

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That's the mystery in here.

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But regardless of what happened, it

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wasn't effective enough to predict or

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deter this type of consequence and

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invasive species potentially the lack of

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fish for local fishermen, but also the

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danger of impeding or affecting potable

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water for half of a country.

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This is a big consequence for this Panama

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Canal and it really underscores why we

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need to do proper planning before we do

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an expansion like this. It should have

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been avoided. But I would love to hear

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