Navigating Marine Science Careers: Building Your Resume Beyond Courses and Internships

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A few episodes ago, I talked about the breakdown of sort of

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the marine conservation and science careers, you know, of what

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I've been through, through my experience and through my eyes and how I'm

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helping my daughter become a zoologist and a wildlife biologist by

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sharing my experiences and prepping her before she goes off to university of

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the types of things that she should prepare for, you know, and

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do before she gets to university or when she's in university. And

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then even after she's in university to get a job and build her career,

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in wildlife biology, whether that be oceans or land. She's more of

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a herpetology nerd instead of an ocean nerd like myself. But

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that's great. It's always good to see your kids do great

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things and follow their passions and their dreams and what

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they want to do. So I've been talking to my daughter about this. I've

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been talking to other people. And I've got some great feedback from the

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last episode that I sent. And it was great, again,

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it's great to hear from people, whether it be on LinkedIn, whether it be on Facebook, whether

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it be on Instagram at HowToProtectTheOcean when

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they DM me. But it's great to hear the feedback from

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people that they have. And I have a colleague and a friend, Erica

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Moulton, who is a dean at

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a college in Florida. She

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hit me up after listening to that episode, and she's like, hey, I really liked your episode. I

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have a suggestion for you, something that you could mention to people

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in the next episode whenever you're covering careers. And

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that has to do with all of the extras. you

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could put on your resume to show what you've done instead

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of just the courses and maybe some internships and things like that. All

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very well, you know, you know you need to have an undergraduate degree

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a lot of the times, you know potentially you need a graduate degree for certain

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aspects of what you wanna do with your career. But we don't talk

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a lot about the extracurriculars that you do,

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whether it be in high school or university, or even beyond, that

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kind of show that you're involved in, you know, ocean

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conservation and that you have a passion for this and that you are

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going above and beyond what you can normally do instead of

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just finding a job, you're actually looking for opportunities. And

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that could be volunteer ships that could be going on a board of directors, which

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we'll talk about in a second for a small nonprofit or local organization,

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or even like being a volunteer coordinator, you know, as

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a volunteer to do some cleanups or things like that. in leadership

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roles essentially, but also participating in local, you know,

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committees and politics and things like that. There are so many

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ways that you can beef up your resume, but not

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just for the beefing up your resume, but also for the networking opportunities

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and also for just getting more involved. in

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marine science and conservation. And this is what we're going to be talking about in this case.

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I might mention wildlife biology every once in a while, because that's what I talk to my

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daughter about. But that's really what it comes down to.

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It comes down to how can you help yourself not

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only build your career in the future or

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even presently, but how can you really forward on and

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follow those passions? Follow those

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areas where you can augment your career, but

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also like get to know the, you

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know, the feel that you want to go into, get to know, you

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know, what areas you really want to go into. Because oftentimes, like

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Eric and I, we talk about it, Erica and I, we talk about it all the time, where

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we'll get messages from people. And I have a Marine Facebook group,

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a Marine Science and Conservation Careers Facebook group, as well as

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on LinkedIn, Marine Biology Jobs. And a

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lot of times we hear, first of all, Anybody know of any jobs in

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marine science and conservation in the UK or in Europe or

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in? The US or in the Northeast or in the west coast

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of Canada or you know wherever you are People

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like anybody know anybody looking for a job. That's not how you get

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jobs Right? You have to know where you want to go to

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be directed. The first question I always ask, like, what area do you want to go into? And it's like,

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I'll do anything at this point. It's like, no, you have to figure

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out what you want to do. Because if you're doing the wrong thing in

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the field, like the wrong path, you're not going to be happy. And

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you're going to hate your job. Trust me. These are not easy jobs

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to take on. They require a lot of thought. A lot of times they require a

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lot of physical activity if there's a field component to it. And you

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have to be in your right mind, right frame of mind to be able to do

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it. You want to have that passion to do it. That was your dream. So figure

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out your dream, figure out your niche or a couple of niches that

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you would like to pursue, especially at the beginning of your career, so

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that you can really narrow down that path. Right? And

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then you can start looking at, okay, let's see what kind of extras, but you're always

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trying to do extras. And I was just, I was actually just talking to my daughter about

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this recently. She's in high school. She's going into grade 12. They have

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this, uh, this thing that they do at the beginning of every year is to help welcome

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the freshmen or the great nines, uh, in high school. And it's called

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the linked crew and you do two days of training and then you, you

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go in and you, you know, you're kind of like a mentor and you kind of help them around

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the school and, have programs and stuff like that, especially at the beginning,

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the first few days of school, they do programs and stuff. We have an ISTEM program

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and so she'll probably participate as well in those activities and

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get to know some of the great nines to kind of get the great nines to feel

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comfortable. It's a big step, you know, going from middle school or elementary

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school into high school, right? So she's doing that, and at

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first she wasn't sure if she really wanted to do it. I said, it's a great opportunity to

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do extras. In fact, I mentioned Erika on it, and I was like, you know, a

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colleague of mine, a friend of mine saying, hey, this is what we need more. We don't see this

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enough on resumes where people are taking leadership roles or

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getting leadership training in different aspects so that they can use

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that on resumes later on. When you wanna go from like a field person

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to a manager, or to a supervisor of some sort

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in that area, you need to have those leadership skills and this

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could help. It's not going to be the be all and end all of it,

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but this could help and get you other jobs on your way

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to the career that you want and the job that you want, your dream job. So,

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you know, doing these types of things in high school, doing these

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types, being camp counselors and all these kinds of things is great. Now,

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let's start talking more about when you're in university. and you're going down

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more towards your niches. You're starting university or in the middle of university, maybe

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you're at the end of university and you're like, hey, you know what? I know

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the coursework. I know the marks I need to

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get and maybe I need certain marks and do your GRE if you're

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in the US or whatever equivalents elsewhere to get

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into grad school and all the things you need to do for grad

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school, which we'll cover on another episode. You know those things. But

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you don't know about, hey, how can I get the work experience that I

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need? You have, if you're at college or university, you

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have all the tools in front of you. You don't even realize

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it. You have professors that are looking for volunteers. Sometimes they hire students,

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right, undergrads. You know, you have accesses to

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laboratories. Like when I went to University of Guelph here in Ontario, they

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had a marine program, but they have a hydro lab. They had a lab. That was

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all on like keeping fish so that we can do aquaculture studies, we

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can do different type of scientific studies and behavioral studies.

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We had a whole lab full and I volunteered in

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my last year, unfortunately it was only in my last year, to be able to take care of

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those animals and look after the systems and learn about the computer systems and

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the alarm systems and the work that goes into it to help me

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direct like, do I want to go the aquarist route? Do I want to look

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after fish or even help, you know, people with their experiments and,

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you know, feed the fish and do some like, you know, record some

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of the data that they're looking at if they can't be there

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and stuff. I got to do all of that just by volunteering. I think

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it was like six to eight hours a week. It wasn't even that much, right?

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Two hours a day or I did a whole Friday that I

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would get like an eight hour day and it was fun. It was a lot of fun. I learned a

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lot and it reignited my passion because a lot of times when

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you go to school and you're going to the courses and you're doing the exams and

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the assignments and midterms and field labs and lab

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midterms and lab finals and lecture midterms and

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lecture finals for the same course. It's a lot. It's a lot and

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you kind of lose that focus of what you got into the

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program for in the first place, right? It's like, what job am I going to

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do? Where am I going to go? Where am I going to live? What am I going to do? I have no

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idea. And I had no idea when I started, when I was graduating, but

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I started to have an idea of the possibilities because now

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I was volunteering in a lab. Then I'm talking to, you

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know, the head, the, the, my boss, like my supervisor, who was

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a graduate student talking to the lab manager about all

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the stuff that. they do when they go out for us they went out east to

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collect animals every year and they would do field courses and all

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that kind of stuff and talking to them and hearing their stories and

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getting some of their advice as mentors and you know sometimes

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getting in crap if you're not doing your job properly you get all that you get

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that work environment you start to see okay this is where I could

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go this is what I could do and then you start to get introduced like

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when I was working in a lab where a lot of professors had you know studies

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going on and so you're you're interacting with their labs and those

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professors and you start to learn more you start to hear you know of them

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and they start to like you because you're helping them with their studies and

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so they're interacting with you and you know for me I got

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a really great program and I had really great professors and and

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you know we would go out for beers after or you know hang out

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in the lab and talk stories and stuff and I would just sit there and listen you

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know you hear comedians all the time I listen to a lot of comedians I love I love stand-up

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comedy and you hear about how they they What

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do they call it? They had they think it's like they take house or something like

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that And essentially what that is you get the the more like the

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popular? Comedian or like the person the comedians been around doing it for

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decades. They sit down. Oh, they hold court I think is

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what they call it and they sit down and they talk to all the other comedians who are

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trying to get their careers going and their comedy sort of career

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going and and they may have struggles and stuff but they listen to them and they listen

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to their stories and they listen to the advice and they become their mentors

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and stuff like that and that's what it was, that's what I love and actually that's

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how I got into podcasting, had I known earlier I probably would have been doing

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it earlier but that's what I fell in love with, it was those stories, those

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field stories and you know how people are interacting and

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the stories that they had and the good times and the bad times and the challenging times and

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so forth and you hear all of that stuff and that's what you

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know, what made me fall in love and reignited my passion for

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marine science and conservation as I was about to graduate. You

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can do that throughout your entire career at university. Just

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think about that. If you want marine biology so bad, whether you

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want to go the academic route, the non-profit route, the private consulting,

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all your skills are right in front of you. The ability

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to get the experience and skills are right in front of you as a volunteer, but

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you're already on campus, you're probably taking their courses, you're

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probably learning, and it'll reaffirm the learning that

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you're doing in your courses by doing a lot of the stuff that, like

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helping out with their studies, or maybe helping out in the summers with

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their field work and things like that, getting paid for it. Think about that.

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Just think about that. You know, you may have to do some volunteer, but you're already

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taking courses. You're already on the campus. And why not? It's a

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little bit more work. but you are there to do

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everything you can so that when you graduate, people know

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you, you have the opportunity to get jobs, you have the skills, you've

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been in labs, you've been working with teams, you can get references and

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all that kind of stuff and maybe direction of here's

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some graduate schools you can go to or maybe you collaborate with a different

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professor at a different school or even within the same school and they

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wanna take you on as a student because they loved working with you so much and they have some

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ideas that you've been you know, talking and exchanging ideas back

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and forth throughout your career at your undergrad. You know, just

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imagine that scenario, right? I'm not saying for everybody it's

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going to work, but for a lot of you it can work and you

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have more direction after. Now, the other thing that you

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can do that I'm really, really excited for people to do is,

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and I've talked about this before, but is participate and

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volunteer to be involved in societies. Scientific

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societies and conservation societies are your networking

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tool. But there's a lot of work and collaborations that can come

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from that. A lot of people talk, hey, we go to conferences in person,

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virtual, virtual is a little harder to collaborate and meet new people. But when

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you go there, you network, you meet new people, your professor go, they

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bring the lab or as many people, hopefully, you get

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to present a little bit, you get to meet some people, they introduce you to

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their colleagues, their friends over those years. And, you know, and

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like, you know, I talked to Dr. David

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Ebert, Lost Shark Guy. He's my co-host on the

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Beyond Jaws podcast. A lot of his students, they

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either came from somebody else that he knows. So

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if they were an undergrad at a particular school where he

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had a colleague or a friend that he trusted in you and they said, hey, I have a student

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for you. They're very interested in lost sharks or discovering species.

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This person's got a great work ethic. I can give you a strong reference. Why

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don't you talk to this person, he, her, or they, and be

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like, hey, let's talk and let's go. He gets a lot of people from there.

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And he also suggests a lot of people from his labs to go on and do

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PhDs. So there's that camaraderie

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among these networks, whether it be sharks, marine mammals, or

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fish, or anything. There are all these communities out

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there that they all talk and they all exchange and be like, hey, I've got a

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student for you. You should check this person out. They're great. I'm going to suggest this

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person. That's how it all works. That's how it all works. When you

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know what they talk about, it's not what you know, it's who you know. still

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works for marine science and conservation. You just have to put yourself out there. And

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sometimes getting to conferences is not easy. It's expensive. They're

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often far. Like, unfortunately, I'd like to go to the International

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Marine Conservation Congress. It's just not in the books for me this year. It's in South Africa.

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I live in Canada. It's really far to get to. It's expensive to get to.

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I just can't do it this year. And so hopefully, next

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time, I'll be able to participate and go

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to that conference. But I'm going to be watching every other people like tweet

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and all that kind of stuff to see what it's like and to see what people are doing

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there. But, you know, it's if you can't do

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that, you can still participate in the planning of

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those conferences. Right. You can get on committees and

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volunteer. One time I was the chair of the funding committee and

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I had people helping me out. We were all trying to get funding to fund

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that conference. There's other ways where you can be on the social committee, or

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you can be on the student committee if you're a student, or you can be

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on the communications committee and

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help out with all the different tasks there. Then you're building a rapport

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with other people who are also in the marine science world, not all students.

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Some of them are graduate students. Some of them are managers and hiring

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managers. You just never know who they would suggest

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or be like, hey, I've got somebody here. Andrew's great. He can help you with

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this. You know, people don't really know him. He's trying to

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get into this new area. I think this would be a perfect opportunity to pick him up

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and work with him. Like, that's how it works. That's the great

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part. If you show what you can do and you show how hard you work, people

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are going to be like, all right, this is cool. Like, I'm really going to enjoy this, you

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know, and I'm going to enjoy working with this person. So, you know,

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Erica had the great suggestion of talking about the extracurriculars that

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you have. And it could be a different things too. It doesn't always have to be

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within marine science and conservation societies and all this kind of stuff. It could

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be other societies that you're part of. It could be a board of directors that you're part of, like a

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non-profit organization. They're always looking for board of directors

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to help them out and help manage those non-profits. Then you get

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to see it from a different aspect. You get to see how hard it is to

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run a non-profit organization and all the different intricacies that go in

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to putting together and running it and making sure you're

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abiding by all the charitable laws in each country that you're in.

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It could be a lot, but it could be fun. And then again, you're networking

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with other people who may be a part of other jobs or other

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organizations and they might be like, hey, this person is

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looking for a job. I have a perfect job opportunity for

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you. there's a lot of things that can come out of that you

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just have to put yourself out there and I know you know looking

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for a job is hectic looking for a job is emotional it's

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draining you can't do it full-time you can't do it each

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and every day all days of the week you have to

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start getting into doing other things networking Joining

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societies a lot of the times they're really, you know, I think it's like 50 bucks a

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year or something like that The Society of Conservation Biology

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is one that's really really great Estuarine Society has

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one as low which is the I think

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it's American Society of Limnology

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and Oceanography, I think as low is a FS

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which is American AES, Elasmo

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Brank Association, ESA, Ecological Society

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of America. There's all these different organizations to

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be a part of that you can join. You don't have to join all of

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them. I suggest joining one and really putting all your effort into

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that and joining that and participating where you can. And then,

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yeah, that's the way you go about it and you start to learn what

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it's all about. Hear different research that's going on

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you get to you know participate in planning these conferences that go

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on Sometimes they have work groups that you can be a

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part of and work group meetings and stuff like that It's all

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great a lot of its virtual these days to make it easier for everybody And

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it works out really well and it helps not only just drive your

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passion for what you want to do But it helps networking and

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it helps build up your resume So when people see that, it's like, oh, this person gets involved,

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like this person knows what to do. Don't take on too much, make

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sure that you get good references from those. And then you've got

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a great CV and a great resume. So that's my advice to

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you. Thank you, Erica, for bringing that up. I really appreciate it. And

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I appreciate you guys for listening each and every time to these episodes. I'd love

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