Protecting Blue Carbon Ecosystems: A Global Perspective

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You know what I always wonder? I always wonder how we're doing in. climate

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change. Like, how are we reducing climate change? What projects are out

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there? We hear all about these global initiatives, and

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the Paris Accord Agreement, and the

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Convention for Biological Diversity, and protecting biodiversity,

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and all these countries signing on. And then we see all these

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ocean decade, and 30 by 30 we have to protect the ocean and

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land, 30% of the ocean and land. We always hear about these international agreements,

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but what's actually happening? What's actually happening? How does that transfer to

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on the ground action. Well, I have

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Emily Kelly as my guest today. She is part of the Blue Carbon

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Action Network from the World Economic Forum, and she's

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here to talk about that very same thing, is

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how they're putting together restoration and

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blue action projects for blue carbon. So

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that could be restoring mangroves, that could be restoring

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salt marshes, that could be restoring seagrasses, or even

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just supporting projects that take ocean

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and coastal areas and generate that into something

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that the community can benefit from. It's a very human-centric

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project and it's global, but it also has some national and

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local ramifications, which is just amazing to

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see and we're gonna hear all about it from Emily Kelly. So we're

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gonna talk about all of this on this episode of the

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How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Let's start the show. Hey

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everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean podcast.

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I am your host, Andrew Lewin, and this is the podcast where you find out what's happening with

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the ocean, how you can speak up for the ocean, and what you can do to live for a

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better ocean by taking action. And on today's episode,

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we're going to be talking about action-taking from a global, national,

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and local level. We're going to be talking about international agreements,

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like the Paris Accord agreement. We're going to be talking about biodiversity and

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how to protect biodiversity. And we're going to be really focusing in

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on specific habitats that are known as

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blue carbon habitats, seagrass beds, salt

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marshes, mangroves. These are all areas that are

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being looked at as sort of being able to sort

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of take in carbon and sequester carbon, but also

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have these co-benefits, you know, where they can provide a

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haven as a nursery habitat, they can protect young species, they

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can have a lot of, they have a lot of biodiversity, they can

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have shoreline protection. But then they also look,

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these action plans and these partnerships also look

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at how to fund these projects, how to make

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it sure that they're focusing in on the core

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benefits, not the co-benefits, which I just talked about, but the core benefits of

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how is it gonna benefit the community? How is it going to financially

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stabilize the community? How is it going to make sure that

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people in households all have roles to play?

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Everything like that, you know, all around the world, in the Philippines, in

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Indonesia, in Latin America, all over the place, we're

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going to be talking about projects that are going to be either going on or

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are going to be talked about in the future and going to happen in the future. We're going

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to talk about how that's all set up. As a scientist,

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it's easy to say, hey, let's just restore this one

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area or these areas because that makes sense. There's a

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lot of co-benefits. There's a lot of core benefits that get that

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all get sort of satisfied, right?

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And we start to see success. But there's a lot of policy involved in

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that. There's a lot of stakeholder meetings. There's a lot of stuff that goes on. It's never an easy

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project, and hence why it's been so difficult to put those

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in very quickly. And so we're going to talk

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about how that's all played together. Emily Kelly, who works

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for the Blue Carbon Action Partnership,

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BCAP, part of the World Economic Forum, And she's

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here to talk about all these projects and how they all work

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and how they're all proposed and how, you know, the corporate partnerships

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happen and what they like to do and why they're part of this and,

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you know, talking about net and nature positive investments and

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so forth. So there's a lot of stuff that we go over. And

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I would love, you know, for you, I can't wait for you to hear this

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interview, but also ask questions after because I would love to get Emily back

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on and be able to ask more questions. And you can contact me. Just

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wait till the end of the interview and you can figure out how to contact me then.

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But here is the interview with Emily Kelly from the Blue Carbon Action Partnership.

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And from the Blue Action. And here

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is Emily Kelly from the Blue Action And

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here is Emily Kelly from the Blue Carbon Action Partnership talking

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about the organization and what they do. Enjoy the

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interview, and I'll talk to you after. Hey, Emily, welcome to

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the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Are you ready to talk about the Blue

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No problem. I'm super excited for this because it's not often we get somebody

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on the podcast to talk about blue carbon. And I think it's such an

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important topic that always flies under the radar.

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And I know there's reasons for it sometimes because it's not always

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like the sexy news. Like, you know, sometimes you get shark news or marine mammal

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news, there's things like that, but it's so important to conservation, especially in

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the situation that we are as a planet, you know, in

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terms of climate change and things like that. We need to change and blue carbon are

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one of those topics that we need to talk more about. So I'm excited to

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do that. We're going to be talking about the organization you

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work with, the Blue Carbon Action Partnership. We're going to talk about what

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you guys do and all those things. It's going to be a lot of fun. But

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before we get into all of that, Emily, why don't you just let us know who you

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Yeah, thanks, Andrew. And also on the sharks and all those other super

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charismatic animals, they rely on some of these ecosystems, these

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blue carbon ecosystems. So excited to talk more about that. Absolutely. Yeah,

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so I am leading our Blue Carbon Action

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Partnership. It's an initiative run out of the World Economic Forum funded

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through the UK's Blue Planet Fund. We launched in 2023. And

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my background is in marine ecology, actually. Prior

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to joining the World Economic Forum, I did

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a couple of postdocs. Previous to that, I did my PhD at

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Scripps Institution of Oceanography and came to that through

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sort of multiple different steps previous to that, but worked

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for the U.S. government briefly as a fellow, did

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a master's focused on prairie chickens in New Mexico and

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how people make decisions about environmental debates.

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So, yeah, so spent a few some time in different spaces, hung

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out in Antarctica for a little bit. So really, really

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happy to be working in blue carbon ecosystems right now, where some

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of my heart really lies in photosynthetic organisms, just

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to be extra nerdy about it. And, and

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things that fix carbon. So yeah, coming

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from a science, natural science background, and then moving into the policy with

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Awesome. One of the things I'm always interested is when I'm talking to

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people about their careers is, you know, you obviously you've had a

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very variety based diverse background

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in terms of the projects you've been able to work on. What's driven

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you throughout each of those projects? Like why take a

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master's studying prairie chickens? Why do you work in

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Antarctica? I mean, obviously just to go to Antarctica is enough, but

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like what drove you to make those decisions and be like, this

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is the project that I want to go for. That's,

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I mean, I think like, I mean, I love, listening

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to some of your other guests. And like many people, I think

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it's sort of what opportunity lies ahead that you feel

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like you can be helpful in. And so I think that's

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sort of where I've and where you've had the opportunity and

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the good fortune of finding yourself. So I think that's sort of how

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I've landed in all these different spaces. Certainly,

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I mean, I'm just super driven by a passion for the ocean. And

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I think, as you may relate to,

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and I think, and so it's

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always been really exciting to make connections with

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the ocean, with kind of everything else

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that happens on our planet. I love thinking about, for

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example, the sustainable development goals and how

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we think about where we want to go by 2030. And

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if you look at those sustainable development goals, Obviously

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there's one specific to the ocean, SDG 14, but

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there are lots of them that every single

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sustainable development goal touches on the ocean if you think about coastal communities. So

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if you think about food security, nutrition, poverty

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alleviation, all these things. And so I think it's really exciting to get to

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share with others the power of the ocean and what a healthy ocean

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Yeah. And now speaking of globally, you know, it's, you

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know, this is a pretty big project, you know, when you, when you look at the scope of,

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of everything, um, when you, how

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long have you been with, with, uh, this, this

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organization, like, and, and, and how long you've been working on this project and what made

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you decide this, like, this is where I'm going to

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So at the World Economic Forum, we work on public-private partnerships.

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So how can we get governments and corporations

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and many other stakeholders together to help tackle big

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challenges? And for

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the blue carbon space, we were hearing more and more, particularly from

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our corporate partners, that they're really interested in thinking about blue carbon, either

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from a nature positive perspective or from a carbon credit perspective.

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And we can talk a lot more about those pieces.

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And they were interested in understanding a little bit more about what would it mean to invest in mangroves. And

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we collaborate with our colleagues at the

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1T.org, which is the Forum's Trillion Trees Initiative, looking to conserve,

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restore, and grow one trillion trees by 2030. It's part of

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the UN decade for ecosystem restoration. And

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from within that, you know, could there be

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something where we could be supportive? And so we started thinking a little bit more about

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that. And from that, we, the

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mangroves working group was born, which is a collaboration between our ocean

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team and our 1T colleagues and helping our corporates

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better understand how they can connect with high

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quality projects, learn from one another in investment in mangroves. And

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then we also thought from the forum side, you know, how could

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we be supportive of governments? Because what we're really hearing is that governments are

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super interested in being involved more in blue carbon.

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But they're looking for how to do it in a way

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that connects all the pieces that they have ongoing. Blue

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carbon ecosystems, maybe taking a moment to back up to

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just explain how it can be complex from the policy side.

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We're primarily talking about mangroves, seagrasses, and

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salt marshes. And these are super

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cross-jurisdictional. when

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you're thinking about governments, there are multiple ministries often

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that are in charge of these different resources in different ways.

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So it might be they're a tree in the case of mangroves, but

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they're also in a coastal area and they may be in

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seagrasses or below water. And so those are often part of a

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fisheries ministry, for example. So there are a bunch of different

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ministries that are often involved. How can we think

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about supporting governments and connecting all these pieces? And

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then how can we also link what's happening in

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the policy side and get additional investment

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into those ecosystems? And that's where we thought our corporates would be really interested in

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playing a role. So putting all those pieces together is really the

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genesis for why we thought, where can the forum and

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the Blue Carbon Action Partnership serve a purpose in connecting the

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dots and being a platform for helping

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to provide additional resources

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as governments are working on this and then connecting it to these global conversations

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Gotcha. I have a question in terms of when you've mentioned it a couple

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times sort of the corporate sponsors and your corporate partners. We

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often see in the space of conservation and restoration

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that there are partners, there are a lot of times foundations, there

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are granting agencies, government will provide money a lot

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of the times through their own programs. How

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does it work with corporate partners? When

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they talk about investing into, say, a mangrove restoration

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or a conservation, how does that all come to

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corporations that work with

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the World Economic Forum. And they

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are interested in thinking, how can

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we invest. It might be for nature

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positive investment. It might be thinking about

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their net zero goals. It

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could be related to any other sort of

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like broader environment sustainability

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goal that they may have. We are, they're not,

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they are acting with their own they're

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acting independently of us, but they're looking to get

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guidance, support, connections from us.

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And so that's really where the excitement lies is, you know,

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as we have corporates thinking about wanting

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to invest, they're really looking for how to do so in a really high quality way.

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And I'll say that's what's so exciting is I think

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there's a real push for thinking

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about high quality investment, thinking about how to

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do, I mean, no one wants an article written about them,

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about greenwashing. So how

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can, how can they be looking to, how can they

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make the best connections to invest in ways that are of

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the highest quality? And, you know, an exciting part of that too,

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is that was some of the initial conversation that came out

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of the Mangroves Working Group was, you know, what

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could be, what is high quality in this space? That was questions that we

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process of a number of different organizations and

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global collaborative effort with feedback from

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a number of different open workshops that

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created the high quality blue carbon principles and guidance, which is right. the

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sort of overarching guidance that says, here's what high quality

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means. And that involves ensuring free and

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informed consent with communities, looking

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at understanding context, a high

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quality investment. So there are a number of different pieces that we

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can now say, okay, if you want to invest in a high quality way, here are ways to do

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that. And very excitingly, some of the partners involved

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are leading the way right now in creating a

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practitioner's guide for this for what does that mean in detail. So that's

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That's so interesting. So you know, when you hear all these companies come up, like, they

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have their company and they have their corporation, they get their revenue, however,

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which way whatever corporation they are, and then they design

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because they want to be they want to, you know, they want to have that outlook on

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where people can just be like, hey, this company is doing some great things with

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their they've come up with these policies and these values where

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they want to give back to nature, they want to make sure that nature is

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there and they want to help reduce climate change. So they want to

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look around and invest in something like you mentioned before that would

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be nature positive. So when they invest in a mangrove restoration

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or invest in a particular area, does that mean

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like you know, they're not looking for a return on

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investment. The only return on investment is like that, that, that

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the mangrove area that they've invested in, that

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they've helped supply money to do the restoration is blooming and it's doing

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really well. So they're looking for these guidance principles to make

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sure that they're doing the best work that they could be doing, or they're investing their

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money in the best work that they can be doing. Is that, do I have that, that,

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This is a great preview to some work that we're doing right now, in fact, which is

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really, really to, there's

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been a bunch of work to really understand, okay, what

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are the opportunities for corporate players in investing? And I'll say

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also that all the work that we're doing is also supporting

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a global movement called the Mangrove Breakthrough, which is a

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collaborative effort between the UN high-level

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champions, climate high-level champions, and

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the Global Mangrove Alliance. All of that work is really trying to

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really unpack. They've started this process where they're looking at

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different types of investment models. From our side, we're trying to

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think about what are the economics for investing in blue carbon ecosystems?

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And so I will say that there are a bunch of different opportunities. So

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it could be that your founder and CEO, like Salesforce

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and Marc Benioff, is very passionate about the ocean. And so they have commitments

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for what they want to do in terms of planting

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trees and also for their net zero goals. Or it could

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be that you are a company like Iberostar, which

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is a hotel chain that is intimately connected with

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its surrounding ecosystems and works very closely on thinking

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about its sustainability goals, because it's, of course, very

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well connected. Within their business model. So

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they're there. Those are sort of two sides of This

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conversation and there's a lot that's in between and we're working on unpacking a

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I love that. I love seeing that I just, I

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love seeing these types of projects kind of come to play, you know, and,

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and because they're so important and you need to start shaping all

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of these guidelines and, and, and

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things that, that all come into play to make sure that these investments go and seeing these

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corporations get excited about this because they're, they're not just investing blindly,

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they're investing into, into projects that have, you know, a

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good success rate or potential for a great success rate and I think that's, That's

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that's really really important when when you see it.

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So I Love that. I love that aspect Can

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we talk about like maybe you mentioned literally like there's a couple projects that you're

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thinking about and stuff Like are there ongoing like when

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you guys do the guidelines and then the corporations like look at

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like the partners look at this Are there do

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you? Sort of recommend specific projects

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that are going on. Like do you have other partners on the ground who are doing

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Totally. I mean, I will say also, again, our role we see

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as really connecting a bunch of different pieces and there's so

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much amazing work that colleagues are doing in Blue Carbon and

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have been doing for a very long time. I mean, Blue Carbon, a

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broader sort of excitement about Blue Carbon has

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really just been the last less than

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10 years, maybe five years of a lot of excitement.

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And so I think, yes, so we're very happy to be making a lot of connections. So

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we work a lot. I mentioned the Global Mangrove Alliance. We work with

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those partners, which is a group of NGOs

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that have all come together to really be incredibly impactful in

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the way that they coordinate across all the work that they're doing in

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mangroves, which of course is one of the blue carbon ecosystems that we

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know the most about. Or we

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spend the most time, I guess, in figuring out how

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to be very specific in carbon accounting,

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for example, but also in restoration conservation more broadly. And then

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we work with a bunch of innovators across the world. The

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Forum also has a platform for innovation called Uplink, and

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some of our Uplink Ocean innovators have been, are really

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doing amazing things in the blue carbon space. So thinking

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about how they can leverage technology for

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this space, but also very deeply connecting with

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communities. So thinking about one distant

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imagery, for example, which is an innovator out of the out of UAE,

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working on planting mangroves using drones. But the

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really cool part of it is connecting with communities

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very deeply about their goals, their interests, and working

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globally now with them. And they build those drones out of pieces that

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can be very easily fixed in

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within the community. So super cool, very impactful

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Can I just tell you something that's kind of interesting? So my daughter, she

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was in grade 10 a couple years ago. She's a senior

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right now. But she looked at that. She

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had to build the drone. They're in an iSTEM program. And one

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of their projects was building a drone to do something for

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climate change. And so a lot of people were building on the land drones

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to do regular tree planting, like on land tree planting. And

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I told my daughter, I'm like, you should look at something different. Like

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what about coastal? And obviously I'm an ocean guy and she

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wants to be a zoologist. And I said, have you thought about like, what about flying drones? Can

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you do that? And we picked up the UAE project. Like we did

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a search, looked up the UAE project and she used

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that as a model to do her drone prototype. And

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we use it for that. So for mangrove planting. Yeah, that

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we're looking at like, and it was interesting because like you're looking at like, like dispersal

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of seeds and how much that weighs. And you know, you have to it's

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it was it wasn't an easy project to do like to do those prototypes, but

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to see how You know, quickly the sort

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of just drones have like that technology has evolved

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so quickly to be able to use like different parts. And

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you know, it doesn't have to be a $100,000 machine.

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You know, it could be a $2,000 machine or less and be

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able to hold that payload to be able to disperse those seeds. So

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yeah, it was really exciting. Sorry, I just wanted to let you know I got excited about

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Oh my gosh. Oh, I'm so excited to hear

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about that connection. That's so fun. And yeah, I mean, I think the

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other cool part about drones, for example, is, you know, being able

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to better understand the, um, the landscape. So

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you can understand what, what does drainage look like here? Like, you

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know, there are a bunch of different ways that the drone can be helpful, which is cool. Um,

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I think, I mean, I think the key thing too is, of course, this isn't really a

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tech challenge. This is a people challenge, of

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course, but how can you be using technology

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to be supportive? So it's super cool. And what

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I love about them is that they're so engaged in the community. So, I mean,

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I think they're such a poster child for how wonderful you

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can be in engaging at a community level and then

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Yeah. And so I think, you know, connecting with these sorts of partners is

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really powerful. And then the other piece that we

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can, you know, unpack a little bit more potentially is just how we're connecting

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with the governments. Because I think, again, where the

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Blue Carbon Action Partnership, we

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really think about working in sort of two different spaces,

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one at a national level, for how we can support governments in

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achieving their blue carbon ecosystem conservation and restoration ambitions.

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And that that's purposely ambiguous what

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ambitions means, because it could be anything. It could be engaging

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with the voluntary carbon market. But really, it's it's

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super a lot of focus right now on how to include

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blue carbon ecosystems in their nationally determined contributions under the Paris

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Agreement. So how how how are,

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how is each government helping to achieve our global climate goals? And

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blue carbon ecosystems are part of that. And then, you know,

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there's also, um, everything that's we're thinking about

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with our biodiversity goals as well. So this would

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be a different treaty than our climate treaty, but our, um,

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our biodiversity treaty and thinking, how do we achieve those goals?

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And this is where these ecosystems come into play as well. And

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then I think the key, you know, key

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part is, and again, why this is often cross-ministerial

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work, is that these are really important. These ecosystems are

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really important to coastal communities. And so, you

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know, when we're thinking about livelihoods, food security, fisheries,

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fuel, all of those different pieces are important

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to communities that live around blue carbon ecosystems. Yeah,

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so there's a, there's a lot to consider on a policy level and how

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governments can streamline and align those policies to

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then say, okay. We're, we're sort of

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more set up for thinking about what types of investment can come in and

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It's so interesting because my science brain is going off and you're like, yeah, basically what

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you're talking about is, you know, making sure that

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we're putting in mangroves, seagrasses, salt marshes back

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to where maybe they were taken away at one point or identifying areas

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that may have changed where they could be. really helpful and

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really good and have a great good chance of success so in

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my brain like I'm like this is easy you just oh here's where we can put a

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mangrove let's just you know plant them let's do it but then like the

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conservation brain goes off and that's where policy comes into play and

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like you said you're you're dealing with You know, this is a global effort.

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So you're talking about here are the global and international

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treaties that where these all fall under. And

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then you have to go to each government and look at their plans and

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how, you know, how they're sort of adapting to these agreements

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and their policies. And it really becomes this web,

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you know, for each country's different, each country's unique, but not only within a

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national sort of policy standpoint, but you're looking at even

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deeper and even smaller scale to local levels, right?

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Regional and then local level. So it can get really complex,

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as you mentioned, you know, at that time. What are

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the major challenges that, you

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know, even like the Blue Action, the

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Blue Carbon Action Plan face? or even like

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the corporate partners face, even the government's face, like what are the major challenges that

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you come up against that you have to overcome, I guess,

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That's such a good point. I mean, I think that what you

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just outlined is the first big challenge is just having all

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stakeholders sitting around the table together. And that's that's

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really our goal is supporting through local

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partners. We work with local NGOs to partner

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in each country, and they are a secretariat that

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is the glue that helps to just

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be additional human power in connecting all

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the pieces. So right now we're partnering in Indonesia and

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the Philippines, and we're looking to continue to grow in Southeast Asia, and

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then thinking about additional partners in Latin America and Africa.

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Right now, we're thrilled to be working So

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far, Indonesia is our first partner, Philippines, our second partner, both

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already have a lot that's happening in this space. And so how

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do you help with coordinating and

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connecting a bunch of pieces? And that's the work that

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they are all doing internally. So again, these are country-driven National

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Blue Carbon Action Partnerships. It is the

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hard work of all of those that are in country that

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is making all of this magic in-country surrounding

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blue carbon happen. And that's making sure that you

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have all of the relevant government partners in

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the room, you have NGO partners that are doing a lot of the connecting with

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communities, you have community leaders, you have those

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from the corporate side, from finance, and all of them coming

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into one space to say, okay, here are the big things we want to unpack, we

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need to be thinking about. policy, and that's likely, you know,

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much more of a ministerial driven process. And then you have a

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finance task force, and that's focused on

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once we better understand what the policy landscape is going to be, how do

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we make sure that this is connecting to finance? The

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core for all of this is creating a cohesive national

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roadmap. And that roadmap then is

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the vision that is set out by all those stakeholders to

468
00:29:27,159 --> 00:29:30,422
say, okay, here's, we know this is where we want to go. And this is how

469
00:29:30,502 --> 00:29:34,245
we want to get the finance to come in to support that as well. So that's

470
00:29:34,265 --> 00:29:37,807
the, that's the ultimate goal, but it's also the challenges to

471
00:29:37,827 --> 00:29:41,170
make all those pieces happen. But I will say, I mean, there's so much

472
00:29:41,470 --> 00:29:44,752
excitement around this space and because these, these

473
00:29:44,813 --> 00:29:48,235
ecosystems are such super ecosystems. I mean, mangroves, we

474
00:29:48,275 --> 00:29:51,938
talk about the biodiversity a lot there. They

475
00:29:52,158 --> 00:29:56,053
obviously are storing carbon. But again, the core benefits

476
00:29:56,093 --> 00:29:59,534
of these ecosystems is really in supporting these

477
00:29:59,594 --> 00:30:03,075
communities. And seagrasses are also,

478
00:30:03,695 --> 00:30:07,636
as we know, fisheries, nursery

479
00:30:07,676 --> 00:30:10,998
habitats, they're really important for a bunch of the species that

480
00:30:11,018 --> 00:30:15,159
we might see in other ecosystems later, start out in seagrasses. Both

481
00:30:15,199 --> 00:30:18,840
of those, as well as salt marshes, super important for

482
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:23,241
shoreline protection and for As we think about

483
00:30:23,821 --> 00:30:27,084
climate change, also they help us with thinking about

484
00:30:27,124 --> 00:30:31,848
how we adapt to climate change. So I think

485
00:30:32,028 --> 00:30:35,251
for all of those different reasons, we have a lot of excitement and

486
00:30:38,262 --> 00:30:41,583
Yeah, for sure. And one of the things that, you talk about shoreline security, one

487
00:30:41,603 --> 00:30:45,344
of the things that always stands out, especially in those areas, that Southeast

488
00:30:45,424 --> 00:30:48,706
Asia area, Indian Ocean area, one of the things

489
00:30:48,806 --> 00:30:52,107
that always stands out was the report that the UN came out

490
00:30:52,167 --> 00:30:55,848
with, I think it was UNEP, I'm not sure, but that came out with after the

491
00:30:55,988 --> 00:30:59,329
2004 tsunami that occurred in that

492
00:30:59,409 --> 00:31:02,850
area. And they said areas that had healthy

493
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:06,312
coral reefs, healthy seagrass beds, healthy mangroves did

494
00:31:06,472 --> 00:31:09,913
better against the tsunami than areas that

495
00:31:10,093 --> 00:31:13,654
didn't have, you know, they didn't have, like, in healthy ecosystems, like,

496
00:31:13,694 --> 00:31:17,056
they either, you know, remove some mangroves or

497
00:31:17,096 --> 00:31:20,477
remove, like, those kind of

498
00:31:20,517 --> 00:31:24,078
habitats. So that always stands out for me. Like, that's so important, especially in

499
00:31:24,218 --> 00:31:27,740
island nations, smaller island nations and things where you

500
00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:31,121
get a lot of ocean and you just never know, especially during, with climate

501
00:31:31,141 --> 00:31:34,702
change consequences, you know, sea level rise and storm surges

502
00:31:34,782 --> 00:31:38,145
and storms in general. these habitats become very

503
00:31:38,185 --> 00:31:41,409
important to these communities in many ways. And

504
00:31:41,429 --> 00:31:45,074
then you talk about biodiversity, you know, protection. All those, all

505
00:31:45,114 --> 00:31:49,259
those, all the like salt marshes, mangroves, seagrasses are huge for biodiversity protection

506
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,824
and conservation. So it's so important to have

507
00:31:53,884 --> 00:31:57,667
all those. Now, we talk a lot about setting up these projects

508
00:31:57,727 --> 00:32:01,550
and identifying where there's potential for these

509
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:05,252
projects to happen. And I'm sure you have a lot of the projects. Actually,

510
00:32:05,292 --> 00:32:08,495
that's a good question. Do you have a lot of projects on the go now

511
00:32:08,555 --> 00:32:11,777
that you're either involved or somewhat a

512
00:32:11,897 --> 00:32:15,399
partner with as part of the action plan?

513
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:20,583
I'm sorry. So on the ground individual projects?

514
00:32:21,503 --> 00:32:24,616
Yeah. So again, I think this is where we

515
00:32:24,657 --> 00:32:27,959
are just thrilled to be partnering with wonderful organizations on

516
00:32:27,999 --> 00:32:31,802
the ground that are doing exactly that work. And then we are

517
00:32:32,222 --> 00:32:36,466
really happy to be connecting that with the broader discussion,

518
00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:42,931
or rather to be facilitating where it's not already happening. But yeah,

519
00:32:42,951 --> 00:32:46,573
so I mean, amazing project. So for example, the

520
00:32:47,414 --> 00:32:51,117
Philippines, just the Philippine Space Agency just finalized

521
00:32:51,157 --> 00:32:54,462
their mangrove mass um, their national map and

522
00:32:54,502 --> 00:32:57,823
they did a bunch of that's cool. Okay. So fun.

523
00:32:57,843 --> 00:33:01,885
So fun. And, um, and they, they

524
00:33:01,905 --> 00:33:06,027
just re they just, um, formally, uh, uh,

525
00:33:06,107 --> 00:33:09,669
launched it in July and they did a bunch of really

526
00:33:09,729 --> 00:33:13,531
neat citizen science connecting with that. So using their, their

527
00:33:13,591 --> 00:33:17,693
imagery, then connecting that with on the ground with local communities, um,

528
00:33:17,733 --> 00:33:21,103
with NGOs, with academia. with government who is doing

529
00:33:21,143 --> 00:33:24,686
all the ground truthing of their images and also doing

530
00:33:24,726 --> 00:33:28,369
a bit more detail. So to understand

531
00:33:28,409 --> 00:33:31,512
not just here's where we have mangroves, but also what

532
00:33:31,552 --> 00:33:34,914
type of mangroves do we have in those places. So really neat

533
00:33:34,954 --> 00:33:38,117
connections with citizen science there. And we're really excited to see how

534
00:33:38,137 --> 00:33:41,760
that all came to be. And I think particularly, you know,

535
00:33:41,780 --> 00:33:45,223
when you can be involving communities in the work that's happening at

536
00:33:45,423 --> 00:33:48,806
such a national level, it's so exciting and really makes those connections so

537
00:33:48,886 --> 00:33:52,183
real. Oh, for sure. And then there's a

538
00:33:52,243 --> 00:33:55,545
lot of really neat work, again, in

539
00:33:55,565 --> 00:33:58,827
the Philippines, thinking about what's going to happen with some of

540
00:33:58,867 --> 00:34:02,229
the abandoned fish ponds that they have. It's coming from some

541
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:05,551
work that they've done in the past, where fish

542
00:34:05,591 --> 00:34:09,274
ponds was a larger policy

543
00:34:10,555 --> 00:34:14,197
in the 80s and 90s. And then some of those ponds are

544
00:34:14,237 --> 00:34:17,399
no longer functional. And there's an opportunity to

545
00:34:17,439 --> 00:34:21,621
think about if they could be restored to mangroves. And

546
00:34:21,661 --> 00:34:25,164
so, wonderful organization, for example, Oceanus Conservation, who's

547
00:34:25,224 --> 00:34:28,928
working very closely with communities and local governments

548
00:34:29,868 --> 00:34:33,552
in thinking about how to do restoration there. And not just to do restoration

549
00:34:34,012 --> 00:34:37,475
for some of these, you know, broader goals of

550
00:34:37,956 --> 00:34:41,359
biodiversity and shoreline protection, but, and habitat

551
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:44,682
and those sorts of things. But thinking also, okay, so it

552
00:34:44,722 --> 00:34:48,396
was a fish pond, we were thinking about food production with it,

553
00:34:48,456 --> 00:34:51,898
how can that still be a place for food production? And so pairing that

554
00:34:52,158 --> 00:34:55,740
restoration and conservation with a crab

555
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,822
fishery, for example, and working with communities and thinking about how

556
00:34:59,882 --> 00:35:03,224
to create that in concert with planting mangroves. So

557
00:35:03,964 --> 00:35:09,687
really, really exciting opportunities that exist there. We're

558
00:35:09,847 --> 00:35:13,469
really excited to be partnering with Conservation

559
00:35:13,489 --> 00:35:16,966
International in in Indonesia, and

560
00:35:17,126 --> 00:35:21,727
they are working a lot, as you may know, on climate smart

561
00:35:21,767 --> 00:35:25,229
shrimp. So there's a bunch of cool work,

562
00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:28,650
I think, that's really thinking about these

563
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:32,272
broader benefits that we can, the

564
00:35:36,013 --> 00:35:39,435
Oh, absolutely. It's so exciting. And just even just to think, like, an abandoned fish pond

565
00:35:39,995 --> 00:35:43,088
for that local community must just be, you

566
00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:46,349
know, they must look at it and just be like, we could do so much with that. And they just may

567
00:35:46,389 --> 00:35:49,889
not have the resources at the time to be able to do that or

568
00:35:49,969 --> 00:35:53,290
the time to be able to change that into, like what you mentioned,

569
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:56,770
a potential crab fishery or, you know, something different.

570
00:35:57,151 --> 00:36:00,511
And so having that ability to regenerate that area into something that's more

571
00:36:00,591 --> 00:36:03,952
productive is probably really helpful for that community and

572
00:36:03,992 --> 00:36:07,472
brings a lot more excitement for that community. So I think that's,

573
00:36:07,953 --> 00:36:11,653
I'd love to hear projects

574
00:36:11,693 --> 00:36:15,035
like that. And, you know, we talk about, you mentioned earlier, you know, putting

575
00:36:15,055 --> 00:36:18,556
the finance together and the plan together,

576
00:36:18,576 --> 00:36:22,178
the action plan as you go through to restore specific areas

577
00:36:22,258 --> 00:36:25,579
and sort of regenerate areas and

578
00:36:25,619 --> 00:36:28,740
make it more productive for that local community, but also be

579
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,042
able to store more carbon and act in that

580
00:36:32,122 --> 00:36:35,697
manner. There's got to be a plan

581
00:36:35,737 --> 00:36:39,079
for the long term right like these are like essential like spatial plans

582
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,461
or business plans for the long term How

583
00:36:42,561 --> 00:36:45,783
is that done in terms of one of trying to predict how

584
00:36:45,803 --> 00:36:49,285
the project's gonna go? But also adapt to changes that

585
00:36:49,345 --> 00:36:53,228
might happen in specific areas like local areas Is there are

586
00:36:53,268 --> 00:36:57,390
there sort of plans being made to look ahead 10 5 10 15 years

587
00:36:58,931 --> 00:37:02,151
That's such a good point. I mean, I think there's really important work also

588
00:37:02,631 --> 00:37:07,294
that partners are doing and thinking about, okay, so we

589
00:37:07,334 --> 00:37:10,836
know that we're thinking about these amazing ecosystems as nature-based

590
00:37:10,856 --> 00:37:14,278
solutions for climate, for example, but

591
00:37:14,338 --> 00:37:17,600
how are they responding to climate change and where will sea

592
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:21,142
level rise be and these other pieces and how will that impact the

593
00:37:21,202 --> 00:37:25,365
longevity of a restoration site, for example? And

594
00:37:25,385 --> 00:37:30,140
so I think, yeah, those are super important pieces. this

595
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,481
this is also if you're thinking about a carbon credit coming

596
00:37:33,521 --> 00:37:36,602
into play this is also a super important space because you need to be

597
00:37:36,622 --> 00:37:39,743
able to show that the carbon that you're saying is going to be stored in

598
00:37:39,804 --> 00:37:43,265
a specific area is actually going to be stored there um for

599
00:37:44,145 --> 00:37:47,746
30 years more yeah so um so that's

600
00:37:48,166 --> 00:37:51,328
important in the calculation of all this and certainly has to

601
00:37:51,368 --> 00:37:54,949
happen and has to happen in projects um and and

602
00:37:55,009 --> 00:37:58,210
also um yeah there's just a

603
00:37:58,945 --> 00:38:02,286
other elements that need to be considered in terms of like longer term

604
00:38:02,346 --> 00:38:06,227
development plans and these sorts of things that might

605
00:38:06,407 --> 00:38:10,128
impact an area. So in the work that we

606
00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:13,709
are connecting with these governments on and with

607
00:38:13,749 --> 00:38:16,930
these broader stakeholders, part of the roadmap process is

608
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:20,371
to be thinking holistically about all of this too. And I think that's where that

609
00:38:20,911 --> 00:38:24,432
can be, that will be a really powerful piece of

610
00:38:24,792 --> 00:38:28,333
the hard work that they're all doing is how

611
00:38:29,287 --> 00:38:33,409
how do we think about all the different elements that come into play, not just these

612
00:38:33,449 --> 00:38:36,730
are areas that are ripe for restoration or

613
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:40,571
we definitely want to conserve these, but also what is the broader plan for what we've considered

614
00:38:45,293 --> 00:38:49,954
Okay. Okay. Really, really. That's super, super interesting. We've

615
00:38:49,974 --> 00:38:53,656
talked a lot about, you know, the sort

616
00:38:53,696 --> 00:38:56,877
of projects of where some of the projects are happening and sort

617
00:38:56,897 --> 00:38:59,961
of that synergy between sort of the global efforts and the

618
00:39:00,001 --> 00:39:03,423
local efforts and the national efforts. There's one thing that

619
00:39:03,563 --> 00:39:06,945
a term that we discussed before the interview, like just when

620
00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:10,387
we were planning out this interview, is that the core benefits versus

621
00:39:10,427 --> 00:39:14,089
the co-benefits. And I would love for you to explain what those mean

622
00:39:14,149 --> 00:39:17,531
and sort of how they play either against each other or for each

623
00:39:17,591 --> 00:39:20,913
other when we talk about, you know, doing this Blue

624
00:39:22,788 --> 00:39:26,831
Yeah, I think this is a really important sort of just

625
00:39:26,971 --> 00:39:30,274
a slight adjustment to our language in

626
00:39:30,314 --> 00:39:33,637
this that we see as really important. And this is coming out

627
00:39:33,657 --> 00:39:36,839
of some really great work that colleagues have done and just

628
00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:42,564
published on in terms of thinking. You know, we

629
00:39:42,604 --> 00:39:46,567
talk about the sort of language to date has been these

630
00:39:46,587 --> 00:39:49,970
are blue carbon ecosystems. We've sort of called them

631
00:39:50,010 --> 00:39:53,648
this because they all share this superpower of sequestering

632
00:39:53,708 --> 00:39:58,250
carbon if we give them that opportunity. But

633
00:39:58,310 --> 00:40:01,891
really, the carbon piece of it is but

634
00:40:02,131 --> 00:40:05,432
one of many of the reasons that we care about them. And

635
00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:09,033
in fact, if you are living amongst these ecosystems, there

636
00:40:09,593 --> 00:40:12,814
are these core benefits that you really care about. And they're

637
00:40:12,834 --> 00:40:15,955
not really co-benefits like, oh, we love carbon and then we care about these

638
00:40:15,995 --> 00:40:19,156
other things, they're co-benefits. The core benefits, in fact, are

639
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:22,448
the things that we have been chatting about already. really

640
00:40:22,488 --> 00:40:27,772
caring about livelihoods, food security, also

641
00:40:27,792 --> 00:40:32,535
thinking about the roles of different people in the household and, you

642
00:40:32,575 --> 00:40:36,177
know, people going out and gleaning, particularly

643
00:40:36,277 --> 00:40:39,419
often women who are collecting from these ecosystems and

644
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,761
adding to additional parts of the dinner plate

645
00:40:42,781 --> 00:40:46,484
for their families. So there are these core benefits

646
00:40:46,964 --> 00:40:50,766
that we, that are the centerpiece for these ecosystems. And

647
00:40:51,007 --> 00:40:54,693
it just means that Taking a human centric

648
00:40:54,833 --> 00:40:58,435
perspective in what these, these

649
00:40:58,475 --> 00:41:02,277
ecosystems mean for their communities, local communities, indigenous peoples.

650
00:41:03,458 --> 00:41:06,779
And and that's a centerpiece for how

651
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:10,241
high quality. Projects can be developed to whether those

652
00:41:10,301 --> 00:41:14,323
are positive, or if they involve a carbon credit is

653
00:41:14,363 --> 00:41:17,625
really thinking about the community leadership. And again, I will point to

654
00:41:17,645 --> 00:41:21,195
the amazing. organizations that

655
00:41:21,255 --> 00:41:25,158
we are happy to collaborate with that

656
00:41:25,238 --> 00:41:28,460
do incredible work in really the

657
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,103
community leadership piece and connecting communities with the resources

658
00:41:32,163 --> 00:41:36,947
they need to understand where they want to take

659
00:41:37,047 --> 00:41:40,830
action and what they might want to be thinking about for planning for their ecosystems.

660
00:41:41,330 --> 00:41:44,492
Just so super important for making sure that

661
00:41:45,733 --> 00:41:49,274
we're doing well in how we think about our

662
00:41:53,774 --> 00:41:57,235
I love that. I love that. I have a couple more questions before

663
00:41:57,255 --> 00:42:01,336
we end this interview. This has been super, super informative. I'm

664
00:42:01,396 --> 00:42:05,036
sure you and I can talk about this forever, but we do have, you

665
00:42:05,076 --> 00:42:08,197
know, a show to do and to keep within a certain constraint, but

666
00:42:08,217 --> 00:42:11,397
we'll love to have you back on, of course. You know, but

667
00:42:11,477 --> 00:42:14,858
one thing that I always try to do is bring it back to the audience, right?

668
00:42:16,018 --> 00:42:19,160
You know, this is, the podcast is called How to Protect the

669
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,002
Ocean. This is, you know, these types of projects, when

670
00:42:23,042 --> 00:42:26,324
you get it so global, is very difficult for

671
00:42:26,404 --> 00:42:29,866
people individually to be like, how can I contribute or how can I help

672
00:42:30,427 --> 00:42:33,708
within this sort of context, right? And

673
00:42:33,748 --> 00:42:37,170
so what would you suggest, as someone who's working and seeing all

674
00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:40,412
the sort of the different drivers and all the different players that are in this,

675
00:42:41,813 --> 00:42:45,054
How can people in my audience be able

676
00:42:45,134 --> 00:42:48,715
to support or help or even find out more information?

677
00:42:48,735 --> 00:42:52,476
It's like three really things that they can do to get

678
00:42:52,516 --> 00:42:56,098
involved in some sort of way where they can help protect the ocean or even feel

679
00:43:00,019 --> 00:43:03,440
Yeah, thanks, Andrew. And thinking

680
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,741
even about your recent podcast, as

681
00:43:06,761 --> 00:43:11,476
we were talking about with the former mayor of Sausalito and thinking You

682
00:43:11,516 --> 00:43:16,398
all talked about where we'd lost a lot of wetlands in California. I'm

683
00:43:16,418 --> 00:43:19,600
sitting in California right now. And so I think one of those

684
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,081
pieces is, you know, just being aware of what's happening

685
00:43:23,101 --> 00:43:26,602
with your local ecosystems and thinking

686
00:43:26,662 --> 00:43:29,904
about, okay, there's a new development going in, they're planning for

687
00:43:29,924 --> 00:43:33,005
a new development, for example, and being able to comment on

688
00:43:33,845 --> 00:43:37,267
what land use change we're seeing, even

689
00:43:37,407 --> 00:43:41,425
in our local communities for that is so, so important. These

690
00:43:41,485 --> 00:43:44,867
ecosystems are amazing. They

691
00:43:44,947 --> 00:43:48,628
can be super gooey. They can smell like rotten eggs. They

692
00:43:48,648 --> 00:43:52,149
have super carbon-rich soil. If you were to be tromping

693
00:43:52,189 --> 00:43:55,531
through them, your boot might get caught and you would end up face first

694
00:43:55,611 --> 00:43:58,732
in mud. They're sort of amazing and

695
00:43:58,852 --> 00:44:01,973
also not necessarily, you know, they don't have the

696
00:44:01,993 --> 00:44:05,775
same charisma as a coral reef sometimes, depending.

697
00:44:07,553 --> 00:44:10,975
But they're super important to how our coastlines work.

698
00:44:11,555 --> 00:44:16,037
So even if you're not sitting in a place that's rich, like

699
00:44:16,537 --> 00:44:19,639
mangroves out your front door or seagrass beds in front of

700
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,840
you, or even a salt marsh, and just

701
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,962
thinking about what's happening in your local community is so important for just

702
00:44:27,002 --> 00:44:30,184
being active in taking control of what we're doing with our

703
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own ecosystems nearby. And then I

704
00:44:33,465 --> 00:44:37,342
would say also just giving them more attention and following more

705
00:44:37,382 --> 00:44:40,705
of what's happening is really

706
00:44:40,765 --> 00:44:44,067
helpful. And thinking about

707
00:44:44,147 --> 00:44:47,590
how we're using our dollars as consumers in terms of the

708
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:50,652
types of companies that we purchase from. And I

709
00:44:52,474 --> 00:44:56,397
guess related to that is also, I think I

710
00:44:56,417 --> 00:45:01,501
really like to think a lot about ocean optimism and how

711
00:45:01,521 --> 00:45:04,723
can we be celebrating successes and how can we

712
00:45:04,783 --> 00:45:08,193
be rewarding behavior that we think is really uplifting

713
00:45:08,233 --> 00:45:11,514
the ocean. And so I think that can go across so many different

714
00:45:11,534 --> 00:45:15,695
spaces. So that could be, um, you know, investing

715
00:45:15,735 --> 00:45:19,797
your tourism dollars in a place where you think that there's really excellent work

716
00:45:19,837 --> 00:45:23,518
that's happening in blue carbon ecosystems. It could be purchasing,

717
00:45:23,538 --> 00:45:27,340
um, purchasing your seafood in a way that, you know, is valuing

718
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:31,021
blue carbon ecosystems, um, valuing ecosystem

719
00:45:31,041 --> 00:45:34,671
management more broadly. And, and, you know, engaging

720
00:45:34,711 --> 00:45:38,152
with companies that you think are doing a good job, too. All of these things really

721
00:45:38,952 --> 00:45:42,113
Yeah, absolutely. I think you're right. And one of the things

722
00:45:42,153 --> 00:45:45,394
that really popped up that you mentioned is, you know, just

723
00:45:45,434 --> 00:45:48,594
being active in your local area and finding out

724
00:45:48,954 --> 00:45:52,155
sort of just natural areas and keeping them

725
00:45:52,195 --> 00:45:55,376
natural, you know, wherever possible. You know, we talked a

726
00:45:55,456 --> 00:45:59,058
lot about restoring mangroves and seagrasses and

727
00:45:59,198 --> 00:46:02,882
salt marshes. At one point, you know, the world's

728
00:46:03,062 --> 00:46:06,845
coastlines probably had, wherever there could be mangroves or seagrasses

729
00:46:06,965 --> 00:46:10,248
or salt marshes, naturally there were. And a lot

730
00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:13,831
of the times they were either taken out for building, you

731
00:46:13,851 --> 00:46:17,153
know, sort of human-centric areas and we

732
00:46:17,193 --> 00:46:20,395
lost a lot of those over time, and it's a

733
00:46:20,475 --> 00:46:23,657
lot more expensive to put them back in than it is to take

734
00:46:23,697 --> 00:46:26,918
them out, or it is to just conserve them. And so, where you see

735
00:46:26,979 --> 00:46:30,681
mangroves, where you see or know of seagrasses, and

736
00:46:30,721 --> 00:46:34,282
where you know salt marshes, do your best as a community to

737
00:46:34,342 --> 00:46:37,524
keep them in place, and I think that's That's

738
00:46:37,564 --> 00:46:40,925
really important. A lot of the times they sneak them in there. They sneak development in

739
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:44,767
there. And I mean, I'm not sure if you're aware, Emily, but by

740
00:46:44,787 --> 00:46:47,928
the time this podcast airs, it

741
00:46:47,988 --> 00:46:51,850
may be past the time, but we just did an episode a couple weeks

742
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:55,311
ago or so about the Florida State Parks and how they're trying to develop

743
00:46:55,351 --> 00:46:58,992
golf courses and resorts on state parks in

744
00:46:59,052 --> 00:47:02,414
Florida. And you're just like, these parks don't need that. They're

745
00:47:02,434 --> 00:47:06,235
an attraction in itself and they're loved by Floridians. And

746
00:47:06,295 --> 00:47:09,458
all of a sudden, just under the noses, they tried to get it

747
00:47:09,478 --> 00:47:12,641
go. And you had the National Audubon Society and all these

748
00:47:12,701 --> 00:47:16,404
other organizations that are, you know, making light of and

749
00:47:16,464 --> 00:47:19,947
bringing awareness to these public commentaries where

750
00:47:19,967 --> 00:47:23,229
you can actually have a say. And I think it's working because they've already

751
00:47:23,249 --> 00:47:27,016
delayed at this point in time of this recording, they were delaying public

752
00:47:27,036 --> 00:47:30,817
comment times and public meetings, because I think there's been a lot of people who

753
00:47:30,837 --> 00:47:34,358
are like, no, we cannot, we cannot have this. So I think, like

754
00:47:34,398 --> 00:47:38,138
you said, being aware of the areas of what's around

755
00:47:38,158 --> 00:47:41,299
you in the areas and trying to protect those natural areas, I think is

756
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,600
really important. So that's a good way of, you know, we already have some

757
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:47,740
blue, you may have some blue carbon areas around you, you just don't even know it yet. So I

758
00:47:49,201 --> 00:47:52,381
That's right. And I think public comment is such an

759
00:47:52,421 --> 00:47:56,251
amazing tool that I don't know how, you

760
00:47:56,291 --> 00:47:59,737
know, your neighbor may not be aware of public comment. So like, just

761
00:47:59,757 --> 00:48:02,823
like chatting about it, if you have like a neighborhood gathering or

762
00:48:02,864 --> 00:48:06,050
something like that, it's so powerful. Yeah, really amazing to

763
00:48:06,985 --> 00:48:10,526
Absolutely. Emily, this has been absolutely fantastic to

764
00:48:10,566 --> 00:48:13,806
have you on the podcast and being able to learn

765
00:48:13,846 --> 00:48:17,767
more about the Blue Carbon Action Network and the projects that you guys are

766
00:48:17,867 --> 00:48:21,488
helping and partnering and finding out all about the intricate details.

767
00:48:21,528 --> 00:48:24,709
I think it's really important. I know these projects go on and

768
00:48:24,809 --> 00:48:28,050
some people tend not to know about them, so now my audience knows about

769
00:48:28,070 --> 00:48:31,211
them and I appreciate you coming on and explaining. And I know you're

770
00:48:31,231 --> 00:48:34,333
doing this early in the morning California time, so I really do appreciate it.

771
00:48:34,353 --> 00:48:37,955
And I'm sorry to get you up so early to do this, but

772
00:48:38,255 --> 00:48:41,357
I definitely appreciate it. And it's been so much fun to

773
00:48:41,377 --> 00:48:45,300
have you on. I'd love to have you back on to discuss more of BCAP in

774
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,822
the future and to get updates on some of those projects that

775
00:48:55,806 --> 00:48:59,276
You bet. Thank you. Thank you, Emily, for joining me here on the

776
00:48:59,356 --> 00:49:02,557
How to Protect the Ocean podcast. It was great to have you on. So

777
00:49:02,617 --> 00:49:05,718
much information. I love the fact that there's so

778
00:49:05,738 --> 00:49:08,939
many levels to this, and it can be very complicated. But

779
00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:12,641
really, the core part of this is let's start making

780
00:49:12,721 --> 00:49:16,322
coastal habitats productive and making sure that

781
00:49:16,562 --> 00:49:20,484
it hits those core benefits for

782
00:49:20,524 --> 00:49:23,826
those coastal communities that will benefit from that.

783
00:49:23,866 --> 00:49:27,569
Their households will benefit. It's not just individuals, not just a sector

784
00:49:27,789 --> 00:49:30,931
of that village or that area, that community. It's

785
00:49:31,111 --> 00:49:34,373
everybody benefits. And I think that's really important. And it goes

786
00:49:34,413 --> 00:49:37,695
to show the complexities of these types of projects and why it's

787
00:49:37,715 --> 00:49:41,077
so hard to get them going. I even love the fact that Emily

788
00:49:41,097 --> 00:49:44,279
started mentioning how you can get involved and how you can help

789
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:47,581
support these projects in natural areas. in your area. We

790
00:49:47,601 --> 00:49:50,744
talked a lot about looking around your area. It doesn't matter where you live,

791
00:49:50,764 --> 00:49:55,028
whether you live in Canada, the UK, the States, Latin America, Australia,

792
00:49:55,128 --> 00:49:58,652
Africa. Look around and look at where your natural areas are

793
00:49:59,152 --> 00:50:02,616
and protect those areas. Work with organizations, work with

794
00:50:04,077 --> 00:50:08,141
your governments and stuff to ensure that they know that

795
00:50:08,781 --> 00:50:11,923
those natural areas are important to you. And when there

796
00:50:11,983 --> 00:50:15,765
are areas or there are times when you can participate

797
00:50:16,025 --> 00:50:19,907
in public comment, participate. That's the really

798
00:50:19,947 --> 00:50:23,669
important thing. So it's a huge awareness campaign

799
00:50:23,709 --> 00:50:27,311
for yourself. Like see what's local, see what's national,

800
00:50:27,812 --> 00:50:30,873
regional, whatever that might be, and then look at

801
00:50:30,893 --> 00:50:34,195
international and be able to participate in those. So there's so many different levels

802
00:50:34,215 --> 00:50:37,397
that you can participate on. and be aware of what's happening and then talk to

803
00:50:37,457 --> 00:50:40,878
other people about it. That's the big thing is really knowledge and gaining

804
00:50:40,918 --> 00:50:44,138
that knowledge. And, you know, one of the things you can do is you can start,

805
00:50:44,299 --> 00:50:47,559
you know, if this is your first episode, you can start listening to the podcast. And,

806
00:50:47,579 --> 00:50:50,900
you know, I talk about different projects that are going on. I talk about different ocean

807
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:54,421
news and how you can participate and so forth. And I think that's important. That's

808
00:50:54,461 --> 00:50:57,802
important to have and to have for a very long time in the future. We

809
00:50:57,842 --> 00:51:00,963
do these episodes three times a week. So follow, subscribe, whatever you need to

810
00:51:01,023 --> 00:51:04,085
do and and support the podcast. So I want to

811
00:51:04,105 --> 00:51:07,428
thank you for joining me and for Emily for joining me on

812
00:51:07,488 --> 00:51:10,551
the podcast. It was really great to have her on and I

813
00:51:10,591 --> 00:51:14,916
can't wait to have her back on to talk more about the Blue Carbon Action

814
00:51:15,056 --> 00:51:18,339
Partnership. That gets a lot after a while for me to

815
00:51:18,379 --> 00:51:21,722
say, BCAP. But really happy to have Emily

816
00:51:21,782 --> 00:51:25,686
on, can't wait to have her back on. And if you have any questions, you can leave a comment on

817
00:51:25,746 --> 00:51:29,209
Spotify, YouTube, You can hit me up on

818
00:51:30,971 --> 00:51:34,173
Instagram at how to protect the ocean. So many different ways of getting a

819
00:51:34,213 --> 00:51:37,516
hold of me. I'm on LinkedIn as well. So feel free to connect with me there. There's

820
00:51:37,536 --> 00:51:40,718
just so many ways. And I will listen to

821
00:51:40,758 --> 00:51:44,001
you in any kind of way. So that's the whole point of this is to start

822
00:51:44,041 --> 00:51:47,824
the conversation by presenting you the information. Love to hear your feedback. That's

823
00:51:47,864 --> 00:51:51,046
really, really important to me. But thank you so much for

824
00:51:51,127 --> 00:51:54,429
joining me. That's it for today's podcast. So thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of

825
00:51:54,449 --> 00:51:57,772
the How to Protect the Ocean podcast. Have a great day. We'll talk to you next time and