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Have you heard of the vaquita?
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It's a small porpoise
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about four to five feet,
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90 to 120 pounds, and it
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lives in the Gulf of California,
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or also known as the
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Sea of Cortez in Mexico.
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And it's critically endangered.
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It's critically endangered
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because of fishing for a fish
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that's called the totoa alba,
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where the swim bladders are
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used for medicinal purposes
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over in China.
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We're gonna talk about
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why conserving these animals
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and getting above the 10
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individuals that they're at now,
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estimated to be lower
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than 10 individuals,
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why that's so important and
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why we need to conserve this
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and what we need to do
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to help conserve this.
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I'm gonna give you a
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breakdown of why they're critically
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endangered, what's been happening.
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And I'm also gonna talk
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about some of the new technology
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that can help in
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monitoring the protection
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and making sure that we
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can get these vaquita back
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to a healthy state.
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On this episode of the "How
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to Protect the Ocean" podcast,
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let's start the show.
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Hey everybody, welcome back
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to another exciting episode
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of the "How to
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Protect the Ocean" podcast.
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I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
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And this is the podcast where you find
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out what's happening
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with the ocean, how you
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can speak up for the ocean,
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what you can do to live for a better
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ocean by taking action.
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Now, today's episode, we are going to be
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talking about the vaquita
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and we're gonna be talking about a fish
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called the Totoauba.
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I'm gonna break down why these
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two ocean animals are related
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and what we need to do to help protect
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both of these animals.
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We're gonna talk about new technology
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that can actually help us do that.
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And some of the
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organizations that are helping out,
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some of them have been a controversy
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around them in the past,
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but they're actually helping
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out right now in the present
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and hopefully in the future.
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So we're gonna talk all about that.
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All right.
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Let's get back into the episode.
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The vaquita.
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Wonderful animal.
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Cute little thing.
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They always say it has like
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eyeshadow around its eyes.
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Just got black around its eyes and it's
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got these black lips.
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Really cool animal to be able to see.
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Obviously very rare.
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Rarest marine mammal in the world.
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Critically endangered.
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Under 10 individuals.
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It's under 10 individuals because of gill
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netting for a fish called the Toto Alba.
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Toto Alba have the swim bladders
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that Asian countries really
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enjoy for medicinal purposes.
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Even though there hasn't been any link to
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the fact that you can
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use it for medicinal use.
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And they'll actually help in whatever
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they're being helped for
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or they're being used for.
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However, they're still being caught.
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And now it's gotten to the point where
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it's a little out of control.
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There's a huge network of illegal
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wildlife trafficking
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because it is illegal to fish
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for the total Alba.
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It is illegal to fish for the vaquita.
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But what happens essentially is when you
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put the gill nets in,
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it's basically a big net
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that goes down the water column.
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Fish swim into it.
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They get caught into it.
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And unfortunately, it can be a little bit
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discriminatory for certain fish.
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Like bigger fish will have smaller nets.
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You can allow the grading the actual net
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size or the mesh size to go through.
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So allow smaller fish to go through and
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bigger fish get
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caught on those gill nets.
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But also porpoises get caught.
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You can get dolphins, some other fish
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like sharks, but you
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can also get the vaquita,
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which is known and it's
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endemic in the Sea of Cortez.
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And it's a big, big problem.
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It's taken that critically endangered
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species from about 95
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individuals a while ago.
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And they just plummeted
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down to under 10 recently.
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And it's been steady for
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about the last 10 years or so.
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And there have been efforts to decrease
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the incentive to fish for a total Alba.
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There's been efforts to monitor the Sea
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of Cortez, Gulf of California,
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to make sure that people are not fishing
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for total Alba using those gill nets.
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There's a number of problems really is
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when we look at it is
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the fact that there is a demand in Asia
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for the swim bladders of the total Alba.
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There is a reason and incentive for
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illegal wildlife
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traffickers to bring the swim bladders
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to Asia. There's definitely an incentive
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for that. There's a lot of money in it.
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There is an incentive for the fishers to
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fish for total Alba
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because they get more money
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and fishing communities in Mexico in this
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area are not very rich
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and they can get money that
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can feed their family. So there's a lot
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of incentive to do so.
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The disincentive is like,
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we want to protect the vaquita. We want
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to protect also the total
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Alba, which is also endangered.
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These species are endemic to this area of
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the world and we want to
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make sure that we can protect
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them. We also want to make sure that
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fishers can fish there for quite a long
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time. We also want to
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make sure that we decrease illegal
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activity and we want to make sure that
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there's a big education
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that has to be done around the
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conservation of total Alba to make sure
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that swim bladders are
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not in demand. So how do you do that?
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Well, the first thing that
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the government of Mexico did
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was they established a 1200 kilometer
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square vaquita refuge in
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2005 later enforce a stricter
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288 kilometer squared zero tolerance area
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in 2020 prohibiting all boat
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entries. So when you try and
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enter that area, the enforcement is going
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to stop you because you're
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not supposed to be in that area.
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Patrol initiatives now patrolling is a
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difficult thing you were talking about
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even though this is a
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smaller bay when you talk about the
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ocean. It is a pretty big area and it's
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really hard to track. Satellite imagery
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can track it, but it's also
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never really on the mark at the same
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time. It's really hard to
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catch the boats afterwards.
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Patrolling is probably your best bet.
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That means you require a boat there at
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all times. You require the boat in this
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protected area where the
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vaquitas can survive where the total Alba
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can survive and they can replenish.
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Obviously, this zero tolerance area is
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probably a very
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important area for the vaquita.
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They've probably been seen there and
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they're not easily catchable. Let's just
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say they're not easily seen in terms of
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that's what I mean by catchable in this
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state because they're just elusive.
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They don't like to come to the surface
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too much and when they do, they're so
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small, they just kind of
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come down and back again, right?
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So they don't want to be around. So
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patrolling has been difficult for the
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Mexican Coast Guard, but a collaboration
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between the Mexican Navy and the Sea
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Shepherd Conservation Society,
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which is the controversial organization
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that I was talking about, has led to
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enhanced monitoring of illegal fishing
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through the use of ships,
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sonar, radar and drones.
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This is the new technology that we're
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talking about here. The Sea Shepherd has
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upgraded its patrol vessels over the
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years, currently utilizing a repurposed
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150 foot former petroleum vessel equipped
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with advanced sonar and drone
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capabilities to detect illegal activities
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and monitor vaquita populations.
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This is really great because you can
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actually send the drone out further than
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where the ship is, maybe
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hide in an area further away.
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And so that any kind of fishing vessel
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that enters the no tolerance zone or zero
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tolerance zone can be caught.
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And if they start to fish in a protected
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area for the vaquita refuge, then they
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can actually get caught and they can
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enforce a punishment without having those
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pictures without being
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able to actually catch them.
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These fishers can be quite elusive. That
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would take away the element of surprise.
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But having these drones really help
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having sonar to be able to detect fishing
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gear in the water is also great.
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You can also detect something that I
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didn't realize. You can also detect the
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mass of fish in the area so that sonar
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can help with that as well.
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Now, other organizations like the Earth
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League International emphasize addressing
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the root cause of targeting international
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wildlife trafficking networks and
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reducing the amount of total products
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rather than focusing
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solely on enforcement.
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You're trying to enforce laws against the
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fishers, which I get, but they're not
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rich fishers. They're not making a ton of
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money off this. They're just trying to
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feed their families.
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Take away the incentive for the wildlife
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trafficking networks to be able to sell
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that. Take away the incentive for Asian
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communities to not want the
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swim bladders for total alb
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but also to attack it at each of the
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areas. Go to the local community, invest
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in the local community and educate the
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local community on why this shouldn't
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happen, but also work with them. It's not
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just going in and saying you can't do
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this. This is not how we do conservation.
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That is not the way you go. You work with
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local community. You get people in the
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local community as champions. You start
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to maybe perhaps do alternative types to
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fishing for total alba and do different
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things like that. That's been happening
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over time over the last couple of
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decades. It hasn't been completely perfect.
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It hasn't been completely perfect
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implemented in terms of taking away the
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incentive of catching total of there's
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still the money demand for that. And so
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you have to attack it at the wildlife
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trafficking network. Now that's talking
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about working against organized crime and
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basically the cartels in Mexico are
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scary. And that's a very difficult thing
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to do. And also you're looking at
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educating even countries to decrease the
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demand. That I feel like is a way that we
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can really hit the demand and really
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decrease the demand
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for the swim bladders.
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And so what I think is going to be a way
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to get people to do that is to go in
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communities where they have these swim
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bladders in demand and start to talk to
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them and be like, you know what? You
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don't need this. There's no actual
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indication that these have medical
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properties that can help you in whatever
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elements that you have and educate them
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on that. Hopefully again, working with
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them, not against them, but working with
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them. And hopefully that will come to
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fruition. And we see a decrease in
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demand, meaning everything
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else just can't eliminate it.
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And so going after the cartels is one
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thing. Obviously people are going after
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the cartels for different reasons, but
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going after the cartels is a very
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difficult thing to do. It's scary. It's
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dangerous going after the fishers little
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bit easier, but it's still difficult
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because there's still that incentive for
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money and to be able to feed their
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families and get their kids to go to
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school. It's a very complex situation.
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And unfortunately, the vaquita is
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suffering for it and the total out, but
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of course, but the vaquita suffering for
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less than 10 individuals in the wild.
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That is a difficult thing. There are no
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vaquitas in Capitos.
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So it's all in the wild. So less than 10
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individuals. Hopefully we're going to
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start to see that increase with these
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types of initiatives. Technology is
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helping with the monitoring. Education
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can help with the decrease for demand.
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And hopefully during that time, the
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wildlife traffic networks just go away
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and don't try sell these swim bladders
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and traffic these swim bladders. But
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that's it for today's episode. Want to
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give you a breakdown and update on where
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the vaquita is in terms of conservation.
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Nothing in terms of the population has
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been under 10 individuals for quite some time. Could be lost.
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We don't know. It could be higher. Like I
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said, they're very elusive to monitor.
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But having drones, having the ability to
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have sonar, having ships in the area,
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even if it's from Sea Shepherd, this
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could be really helpful to get the
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populations back in healthy shape at some
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point. But that's it for today's episode.
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I'd love to hear what you think of this
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episode. You can leave a comment down
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today's episode of the how to protect the
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ocean podcast. I'm your host, Andrew
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Lewin from the true North strong and
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free. Have a great day. I'll talk to you
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next time and happy conservation.