Why Ocean Conservation Policies Are Falling Behind (And How We Fix It)

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We've seen a lot of policies and

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executive orders come

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down in the last little bit.

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From the US, Canada, all over the world.

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We see policies all the time.

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A lot of times we just

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don't even know what it means.

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There are so many different levels to

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each policy that makes

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it really difficult to

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understand how is it actually going to

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protect us as people and the oceans and

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nature in general.

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It could be very difficult to understand

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some of these policies, even though I've

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been studying them for quite some time

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and sometimes I get confused.

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Now let alone just actually seen the

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wording of an actual bill.

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I know here in Canada, it can be very

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complex to even just translate that.

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It's almost like translating Shakespeare

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into modern day English.

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It can be very complex and you can

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stumble on some of those words.

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Regardless of it, policies are extremely

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important and the problem

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that we're seeing right now,

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that was highlighted in an article at

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phys.org, which I'll

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link in the show notes,

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is that we are falling

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behind in the policy.

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A lot of the times it has to do with the

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government at hand or a

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government of the day,

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but we are falling behind in those

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policies, which is showing right now

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based on climate change,

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based on overfishing, based on plastic

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pollution, and we need to bring those up.

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And on today's episode of the how to

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protect the ocean podcast, we're going to

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talk about ways that we can

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catch up and ways that we can actually

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get people more connected

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to nature and the ocean.

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Let's start the show.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another

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exciting episode of the how

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to protect the ocean podcast.

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I'm your host, Andrew

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Lew, and this is the podcast.

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We find out what's happening with the

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ocean, how you can speak up for the

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ocean, what you can do to live for a

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better ocean by taking action.

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Now today's episode, we're going to be

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talking about policy and I know policies

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are really hard to get a handle of

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because it can be really complex.

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There's a lot of layers and sometimes the

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language of like a bill that's actually

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read through Congress or

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Parliament or wherever you live

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and whatever the government reads through

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can be really complicated.

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It's like converting

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Shakespeare into modern English.

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It's really difficult to kind of

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understand at the

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beginning when you first learn it.

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But once you get used to it, then you

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start to listen and we have a lot of

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experts in the how to protect the ocean

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network that really

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contribute to doing that.

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Andrew Thaler talked a little bit about

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some of the policies for deep sea mining

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just the other day and the other episode.

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And so we do a lot of

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stuff around this today.

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What I want to talk about was the fact

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that policies are not really catching up

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with the times with all the problems that

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we're seeing and there are a lot of

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things that I will go into.

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But before we do, I want to talk to you a

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little bit about the last couple weeks.

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Let's just take a breath because look,

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it's winter time up here and it gets

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cloudy and it gets cold and we don't go

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out as much and we see problems on TV.

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We see forest fires like wildfires out of

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control destroying homes.

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We see the introduction of a president

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that some of us may not want to see and a

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lot of the policies that

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they're pushing through.

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It could be a little tough to digest

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really tough to digest for a lot of us

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and it could be really hard on our mental

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health and I know mental

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health is a big big thing.

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And for me, especially over the last

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couple of years, you know, coming out of

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covid, I've seen a lot

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of changes in my life.

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I've lost my father a

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couple of years ago.

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I was getting really messed up in terms

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of my organization in terms of my focus

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in terms of my clarity and that really

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took a hit on my mental health of the

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last couple of years.

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And I started to wonder

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like how do I change this?

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You know, I saw the right people.

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I spoke to the right people spoke to my

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family and really started to gather like

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what in my life was so messy that I could

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clean up and help me

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focus on specific ways.

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It ran for a lot of things that are

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personal that I won't go into, but a lot

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of us go through this stuff where we just

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don't really get it after a while and we

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need that focus and clarity.

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Something that's really actually helped

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me is with Magic Mind and Magic Mind is

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like a little concoction that I take.

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It's like a little elixir that I take

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every morning and I just down it.

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It just keeps me focused.

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It keeps me clear.

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It allows me to get

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things done now on top of that.

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I've done a lot of organizing of my life

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and making sure that I've gotten rid of

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some of the things that I don't need to

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take on and that clog up my life and clog

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up up here in my mental health.

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But Magic Minds really helped me to focus

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through the day to get through the

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process and not lose focus to get

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distracted by other things in my life and

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focus on the task at hand because I do

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have a lot of tasks with the podcast.

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My job being a parent

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all that kind of stuff.

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It's a lot and so having Magic Mind in my

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life has really helped.

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dosage of caffeine that's

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released throughout the day.

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I don't like slam down Coca-Cola's

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anymore where I get like a shot of

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caffeine and I just crash.

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I don't feel like doing anything.

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And so now I'm able to do a lot of things

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in my life and to be honest for the first

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time in a long time.

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I actually feel great.

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This is a personal story of mine.

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I'm not saying this

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going to happen to you.

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I put in a lot of work but Magic Mind has

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really been there and

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really helped me focus in.

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So I want to provide you with something

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that could help you and

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this is just helps me as well.

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highly recommend that you grab it.

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It's really important that you do for

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your own mental health and I think it'll

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help you with just your overall

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performance in life and trying to do

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better for yourself

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because it's done better for me.

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Put the link in the description below and

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you can click on that and

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hopefully it'll help you.

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I'd love to hear if it'll help you.

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All right.

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Let's get started with the show.

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This is going to be a lot of fun in a way

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because it's one of those things where we

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only talk about conservation.

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Like I love talking about ocean animals

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and seeing new things that are happening.

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Orcas hunting whale sharks

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and being able to discuss that.

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But at some point we have

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to discuss conservation.

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How we get conservation done.

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It really starts with understanding the

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ocean, the science behind understanding

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how we can protect the ocean.

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What is going on in the ocean that we

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need to protect

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better than we were before.

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A lot of the times it has to

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do with human disturbances.

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We have fishing.

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We have pollution.

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We have development along the coastline

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and then of course we have other indirect

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effects like climate change that we're

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contributing to and we need more

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understanding of the science allows us to

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collect that information and then

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understand the information and then

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nonprofit organizations and other groups

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and scientists will allow that

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information to be decided.

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And then we have the people who want to

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know like you want to know what's

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happening with the ocean how we can

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better protect it by watching or

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listening to this podcast.

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I provide that information to you the

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best I can by looking up

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information and bringing it to you.

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I'm not collecting it raw data like a lot

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of the other scientists are but I'm

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trying to tell you about what everybody's

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doing so we have a channel you can find

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out a lot of different things about.

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That's my goal is to get it out.

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A lot of other organizations have their

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own constituents their own audiences that

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they speak to on a regular basis whether

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it be through email whether it be through

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videos whether it be through reports or

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anything like that or community events

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and they help get that awareness raised

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so that you can know more about what's

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happening with the ocean once we have

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that knowledge then we start to look at

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what should we be doing about this and

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that's where we start to talk to our

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government and the governments will put

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in policies that will allow

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these things to be rectified.

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Right so for instance let's talk about

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plastic pollution right if we have

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plastic pollution going on we know that

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this plastic pollution in every piece of

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our ocean to the deepest depths that we

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know of all the way to the surface we

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know it's everywhere and we know that

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we're causing it this is not just a

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natural phenomenon that's happening we

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are causing it we are consuming more

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plastic we're using more single use

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plastic so what do we do we talk to the

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government we start putting policies on

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banning certain plastics that we find

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most in the environment whether it be in

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the ocean on a beach or in the ocean or in the ocean or in the ocean.

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in a river system we find it everywhere

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just as a matter of fact if you ever walk

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down your neighborhood when is after

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garbage a it's a windy day using plastic

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all over the place we pick that up we get

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rid of it as a neighborhood as a

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community that helps each other out and

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we say hey you know what like let's keep

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this neighborhood clean so we don't see

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plastics we don't get animals hurt we

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don't get in our gardens we don't get in

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our systems and we can be happy well

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that's what we hope that the government

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will do by putting

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those policies in place.

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To clean the plastic pollution up this

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could work for pretty much every single

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thing the problem is that the

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government's don't always want to listen

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out you're probably wondering why would

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they want to listen to the people well in

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a democracy that we live in canada in the

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us in the UK in australia a lot of the

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other countries are listening to this

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where we get to vote for elected

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officials they should be

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listening to the people.

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They don't always they listen to the

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people who speak up the most that could

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be a small population to be a small

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percentage of the population says hey you

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know what I'm really really passionate

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about this and I want to see this being

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rectified and whatever that could be we

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you know it could be anything from the

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environment to human rights to.

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You know other policies that we are may

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not care about but people want those in

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place and that's how government works and

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hopefully the

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government puts it in place but.

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A lot of the times they don't listen

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because there are competing factors or

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competing interests that

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want something opposite.

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And this is where I feel that we're

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running behind and we'll talk about that

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in a second with in terms of the policies

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right this article talks about sort of

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like the interconnected crisis so we have

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biodiversity loss

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climate change and pollution.

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That are deeply intertwined so they're

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like I always call this the cumulative

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effects when one makes it the other one

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the worst and it makes the other one the

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worst and when they combine it just makes

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it that much worse it's really hard to

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untangle those cumulative effects and

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trying to figure out stuff.

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Either together or separately a lot of

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times we try and figure them out

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separately because again competing

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interest so it's leading to compound

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impacts on human health and well being

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which we know we've seen with climate

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change and force fires and hurricanes and

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floods and all that kind of stuff.

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We've seen those human effects affect the

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way people live where they live in the

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future it's going to be really

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interesting to see what happens over the

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next 30 years as this crisis continues to

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move without these policies catching up

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so if we address each of these policies

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individually that's going to be a problem

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we have to address these policies as they

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are intertwined so they

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have to address them together.

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There were some reports that were

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mentioned in the articles and they are

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two major assessments by the

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Intergovernmental Science Policy Platform

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on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services

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which called IPBES highlight the need for

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transformative change the nexus

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assessment emphasizes the links between

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biodiversity loss water quality food

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security health risk and climate change.

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So they had some policy recommendations

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based on these two reports basically

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looking at integrating biodiversity

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considerations into sectors like

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agriculture fisheries forestry urban

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development infrastructure mining and

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energy the proposed actions include and

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I'm going to read these off because I

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think these are really important

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implementing nature based solutions in

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urban areas and

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reconnecting people with nature.

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That's a really important one if you

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think about how to connect people you

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look around if you're living in a bigger

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city you don't have as much nature as you

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do say in the country right in the

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country it's a little bit slower moving.

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It's not densely populated you don't have

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concrete everywhere you have a lot of

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maybe rolling meadows or maybe

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agricultural fields but it's quiet it's

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slowed down people tend not to move as

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quickly in and about because they're not

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in a rush to do things they've done their

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job maybe they're a farming community or

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fishing community and they maybe sit on

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their patio maybe sit with some neighbors

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or just relax after a hard day's work and

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they just kind of relax and they get to

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see the green they get to see the blue

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where they live and they get to enjoy.

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Just enjoy looking out right into the

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horizon and just be like wow that we live

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in a really cool place in cities where I

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live it's a lot faster you're trying to

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get your kids to all these different

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activities are trying to do this you're

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trying to do that you go out to dinner

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but if you look around.

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There's not as many green spaces that

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there are say in the country right is

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more densely populated there are more

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residences are more businesses their

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business plazas their business areas

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there's playgrounds and so forth but

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there's not a lot of green space as there

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is when you compare to the country and I

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feel as though and a lot of people are

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thinking the same thing if businesses had

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their way a lot of them developers

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especially they would turn those cities

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into more concrete areas because it's

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more profit for them the

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more they can sell on the

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land the better it is so case in point in

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Ontario they're gonna go very local here

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in Ontario where near I live they want to

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create a different highway now we have

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already the gardener like the QEW we have

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401 we have the four seven which is a

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toll route so we have three different

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highways that go through Toronto and they

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hit different parts of the city so one

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hits really really self by like the

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gardener in the QE hit right by the lake

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shore by Lake Ontario

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then you have in the lake

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the middle of the city is the 401 which

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is insanely busy so is the QE at times

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and the 401 seems to be busy all the time

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then we have the four seven which is a

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toll highway very expensive to use but a

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lot of people will use those back and

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forth and the trucks aren't allowed on

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there so the truck stay on the 401 there

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is more development that has gone on

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since I've been here since I've been on

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this earth north of Toronto and it's been

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now it's just blooming neighborhoods like

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they're just neighborhoods with malls and

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car washes and restaurants and everything

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they are like small

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cities in comparison to the

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Toronto but they are cities and there's

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more concrete than there was when I was

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younger I used to go up there and these

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be farm fields and things like that very

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little homes now it's like a bustling

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area but there are less green projects

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and what the Ontario government is

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proposing is like let's do a highway at

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the bottom of those cities but the top of

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Toronto that's free to ride it's Ontario

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owned but it goes right through a green

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space a number of green spaces in one

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part it goes through the

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green belt now the green belt

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is a protected area is owned off as a

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protected area to protect the rest of the

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watershed that goes down to Lake Ontario

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we have been messing up and I can't go

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into it now because we don't have the

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time we have been messing up the greater

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Toronto watersheds for a long time

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because of creating this city we've

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buried a lot of our rivers as they get

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close to downtown so they don't interrupt

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we've lost a lot of our green spaces they

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have become heavily polluted in certain

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areas they're getting better but still

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not the best and there's sometimes

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there's nothing we can

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do about it or there's not

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enough priority to do something about it

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now we're talking about putting a highway

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into a section of green space that is

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protected to make sure that we protect

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the rest of the integrity of the

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watershed and why are they doing this

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because what's been uncovered in some

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scandals is that the Ontario premier Doug

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Ford has his buddies who got the

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contracts to build on those areas that

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are going to make like billions of

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dollars just from the development of that

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area there are other green spaces that

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are not used that are not protected that

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could be used for this high

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way but they refuse to use that one

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because it's not land that will make

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these developers even more rich and more

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billions of dollars so this is the

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problem when we're talking about

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implementing nature based solutions in

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urban areas and reconnecting with nature

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we keep taking away our green spaces we

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keep taking away access to our blue

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spaces in 20 years ago as downtown

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Toronto was being built and even here in

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Burlington where I am another local

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example and I'm sure this has happened in

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other cities buildings were put up and it

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was sold with hey you have access to

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beautiful views of Lake Ontario of

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whatever coastline you live off of and

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then like 10 years later another building

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gets built right in front of your view so

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now you have a view of another building

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that has a view of the ocean or of the

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Lake Ontario of a great lake or whatever

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that might be whatever coastline you're

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on this is the problem that we keep

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seeing is the access to more money takes

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away all the stuff that we're doing to

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protect and putting in nature based

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solutions but making sure that having our

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politicians abide by the regular zoning

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and not changing it for green spaces

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ininson growth and I from different

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methods nature studied is extremely

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important they'll use other means to get by there really good at

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let's plan it out and

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let's just make sure this area

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will never get chosen to be developed on

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because it's a green space.

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It's very important to this

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area that we have green spaces.

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We need to continue

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to keep nature abett us

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because that's what regulates our lives.

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We need to keep that intact.

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We need to recognize

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that the dollar value

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should not matter about these places.

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These places are forever protected.

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They should be forever protected, right?

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And that's really important.

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Measure, and the third one,

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measuring and reporting on natural assets

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to manage and enhance ecosystem services.

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So in other words, making sure that when

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you see these green spaces and blue

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spaces and the coastal spaces,

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right, making sure that we're monitoring

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them, we're saying,

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"Hey, are they healthy?

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Is this what we need? Is this what we

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need to keep around? Can we keep around

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more? Do we need to restore more?

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How are they keeping those services that

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they provide intact?

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01:17:12,416 --> 01:17:14,416
And if that's changing, what can we do to

551
01:17:14,416 --> 01:17:16,625
bring them back or enhance those areas?

552
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,166
That's extremely important.

553
01:17:18,541 --> 01:17:21,250
Restoring carbon-rich ecosystems such as

554
01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:23,166
forests, soils, and mangroves.

555
01:17:23,416 --> 01:17:24,500
Now, we're talking a little bit of land

556
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:26,208
and sea here because it really matters

557
01:17:26,208 --> 01:17:27,166
when we talk about pollutants

558
01:17:27,166 --> 01:17:28,416
because pollutants usually come from the

559
01:17:28,416 --> 01:17:30,208
land and they end up into the sea.

560
01:17:30,208 --> 01:17:32,083
Talk about plastic pollution, bad water

561
01:17:32,083 --> 01:17:33,125
quality with chemicals

562
01:17:33,125 --> 01:17:34,333
and nutrients and so forth.

563
01:17:34,708 --> 01:17:35,500
We need to make sure

564
01:17:35,500 --> 01:17:37,125
that land is available.

565
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:39,708
A lot of times, basic watershed

566
01:17:39,708 --> 01:17:41,708
maintenance, basic forestry maintenance

567
01:17:41,708 --> 01:17:43,250
can really help in this.

568
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:44,291
But the priority has to

569
01:17:44,291 --> 01:17:45,291
be there by the government.

570
01:17:45,291 --> 01:17:47,208
You can't put policies in to take an

571
01:17:47,208 --> 01:17:49,833
entire area down for a residential build

572
01:17:49,833 --> 01:17:51,958
or for a commercial build, right?

573
01:17:51,958 --> 01:17:53,708
Like we see a lot with these massive

574
01:17:53,708 --> 01:17:55,916
warehouses that are showing up in Canada,

575
01:17:55,916 --> 01:17:57,166
the US and all over the world

576
01:17:57,375 --> 01:17:59,875
that have like huge plants or storage

577
01:17:59,875 --> 01:18:02,041
warehouses, drop shipping warehouses

578
01:18:02,041 --> 01:18:03,875
becoming really popular these days.

579
01:18:04,250 --> 01:18:06,583
And we're seeing land being used that are

580
01:18:06,583 --> 01:18:09,083
normally natural and contributing to our

581
01:18:09,083 --> 01:18:10,583
ecosystem services, right?

582
01:18:10,583 --> 01:18:12,708
We need to make sure that we enhance

583
01:18:12,708 --> 01:18:14,083
those and restore those

584
01:18:14,083 --> 01:18:15,041
that have been taken away

585
01:18:15,083 --> 01:18:16,125
because you'd be surprised at how much

586
01:18:16,125 --> 01:18:17,041
has been taken away.

587
01:18:17,708 --> 01:18:19,916
Seeing a salt marsh or a mud flat may not

588
01:18:19,916 --> 01:18:22,500
look appealing to many people, but it's

589
01:18:22,500 --> 01:18:24,166
extremely important into coastlines

590
01:18:24,250 --> 01:18:25,916
and making sure that we're maintaining

591
01:18:25,916 --> 01:18:28,541
the intactness, the importance of those

592
01:18:28,541 --> 01:18:29,583
coastlines and the

593
01:18:29,583 --> 01:18:31,333
protection, not only to our coastline,

594
01:18:31,666 --> 01:18:33,208
but also for the animals that run those

595
01:18:33,208 --> 01:18:34,208
ecosystems that provide

596
01:18:34,208 --> 01:18:35,250
us with those services.

597
01:18:35,666 --> 01:18:37,791
Nice views, but also just regular

598
01:18:37,791 --> 01:18:39,166
ecosystem services that provide

599
01:18:39,166 --> 01:18:39,791
protection,

600
01:18:39,791 --> 01:18:41,916
biodiversity, stability and so forth.

601
01:18:41,916 --> 01:18:43,125
And I think it's really important.

602
01:18:43,333 --> 01:18:45,625
Also, carbon rich ecosystems, mangroves,

603
01:18:45,625 --> 01:18:48,375
seagrasses, those as soils, forests,

604
01:18:48,375 --> 01:18:49,500
those are really important.

605
01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:51,833
They're so important now more than ever

606
01:18:51,833 --> 01:18:53,375
because of the amount of pollution that

607
01:18:53,375 --> 01:18:54,125
we're putting into the air,

608
01:18:54,125 --> 01:18:54,791
the amount of greenhouse

609
01:18:54,791 --> 01:18:55,750
gases that we're putting in.

610
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,000
We need more absorption.

611
01:18:57,416 --> 01:18:58,833
We need more tools to absorb.

612
01:18:58,833 --> 01:19:00,583
If we don't put those in, we can't put

613
01:19:00,583 --> 01:19:01,791
those in, especially when we're talking

614
01:19:01,791 --> 01:19:03,458
about marine-based or aquatic-based.

615
01:19:04,041 --> 01:19:06,416
Seagrasses, mangroves hold up to like

616
01:19:06,416 --> 01:19:08,875
four to 10 times as much carbon than

617
01:19:08,875 --> 01:19:10,750
land-based forest trees, right?

618
01:19:10,875 --> 01:19:11,083
Trees.

619
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:12,958
So this is important that we do both.

620
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,125
And it's expensive to restore.

621
01:19:14,125 --> 01:19:15,708
It's less expensive to protect and we

622
01:19:15,708 --> 01:19:17,541
should be protecting those and restoring

623
01:19:17,541 --> 01:19:18,958
those in other areas as well.

624
01:19:19,458 --> 01:19:20,458
Now, this is the last one is probably the

625
01:19:20,458 --> 01:19:21,166
most important is

626
01:19:21,166 --> 01:19:22,875
supporting indigenous food systems.

627
01:19:23,166 --> 01:19:24,666
This is not just supporting indigenous

628
01:19:24,666 --> 01:19:27,458
food systems, but we as people that have

629
01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:29,833
taken over land from indigenous people in

630
01:19:29,833 --> 01:19:31,250
the histories that we have, right?

631
01:19:31,250 --> 01:19:32,250
In our country's histories.

632
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:34,625
We have lost a lot of the knowledge or we

633
01:19:34,625 --> 01:19:36,041
haven't taken up a lot of the knowledge

634
01:19:36,041 --> 01:19:38,250
that have kept indigenous communities

635
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:40,375
living here for hundreds

636
01:19:40,375 --> 01:19:41,833
of years, maybe even more.

637
01:19:42,666 --> 01:19:46,583
The way they take care of the land and

638
01:19:46,583 --> 01:19:49,666
they integrate their economies or their

639
01:19:49,666 --> 01:19:52,000
way of life into the land and protecting

640
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,000
that land and doing it in harmony.

641
01:19:54,791 --> 01:19:56,000
We need to learn from that.

642
01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:58,250
Like I can't even tell you how important

643
01:19:58,250 --> 01:19:59,708
it is that we need to learn

644
01:19:59,708 --> 01:20:01,833
from those systems, right?

645
01:20:01,833 --> 01:20:03,708
We need to have workshops.

646
01:20:03,916 --> 01:20:06,416
We need to incorporate more indigenous

647
01:20:06,416 --> 01:20:08,916
communities into putting these policies

648
01:20:08,916 --> 01:20:11,708
together so that we can really understand what is a way to build that.

649
01:20:12,666 --> 01:20:15,875
And that's a true caretaker of this, you

650
01:20:15,875 --> 01:20:17,708
know, like for me in North America, what

651
01:20:17,708 --> 01:20:19,666
indigenous people call Turtle Island.

652
01:20:19,875 --> 01:20:21,250
It's an important aspect.

653
01:20:21,250 --> 01:20:23,000
It's an important way to put this

654
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,291
together economy and environment.

655
01:20:25,291 --> 01:20:27,166
So how do we live off the land where we

656
01:20:27,166 --> 01:20:28,958
can be prosperous, but also how do we

657
01:20:28,958 --> 01:20:30,916
maintain the land so we can continue to

658
01:20:30,916 --> 01:20:33,208
be prosperous at this point right now?

659
01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:34,791
We're just destroying the land and we

660
01:20:34,791 --> 01:20:36,083
don't care about the harmony.

661
01:20:36,416 --> 01:20:37,958
We don't care about the environment.

662
01:20:37,958 --> 01:20:38,916
That's how many of our

663
01:20:38,916 --> 01:20:40,000
companies are working.

664
01:20:40,375 --> 01:20:42,416
And we need to incorporate more of that

665
01:20:42,416 --> 01:20:45,416
indigenous culture into our practices so

666
01:20:45,416 --> 01:20:47,125
that we can actually take care of the

667
01:20:47,125 --> 01:20:49,291
land and have a good economy.

668
01:20:49,541 --> 01:20:51,083
Doesn't necessarily mean that our economy

669
01:20:51,083 --> 01:20:53,083
has to grow all the time, but it's really

670
01:20:53,083 --> 01:20:54,708
important that we do this kind of stuff.

671
01:20:55,416 --> 01:20:57,291
That's sort of my opinion on all and what

672
01:20:57,291 --> 01:20:58,291
this article discusses.

673
01:20:58,791 --> 01:21:00,750
It's extremely important thing to do when

674
01:21:00,750 --> 01:21:02,791
we look at policies, but we really need

675
01:21:02,791 --> 01:21:03,625
to catch up and we

676
01:21:03,625 --> 01:21:04,666
need to catch up quickly.

677
01:21:05,083 --> 01:21:07,166
And our politicians have to be smart.

678
01:21:07,500 --> 01:21:08,583
They have to listen

679
01:21:08,583 --> 01:21:11,041
to the experts, right?

680
01:21:11,458 --> 01:21:13,666
And us as citizens, we have to pressure

681
01:21:13,666 --> 01:21:16,250
the government to listen to the experts.

682
01:21:16,791 --> 01:21:18,041
We have to say, look, we may not

683
01:21:18,041 --> 01:21:19,541
understand all the science and everything

684
01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:20,916
that goes on in the environment or

685
01:21:20,916 --> 01:21:22,541
everything that goes on in economies and

686
01:21:22,541 --> 01:21:23,583
politics and everything like that.

687
01:21:23,833 --> 01:21:25,666
But there are people who do listen to

688
01:21:25,666 --> 01:21:27,750
those people and let that drive our

689
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:29,958
policy, not just the opinions of

690
01:21:29,958 --> 01:21:33,041
politicians based on not listening to

691
01:21:33,041 --> 01:21:33,833
people and just

692
01:21:33,833 --> 01:21:35,291
forming their own opinion.

693
01:21:35,625 --> 01:21:38,000
Okay, for instance, Donald Trump, a

694
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,250
number of years ago when he was

695
01:21:39,250 --> 01:21:41,583
president, he stated he was in front of a

696
01:21:41,583 --> 01:21:43,666
panel of forestry people during the last

697
01:21:43,666 --> 01:21:45,583
big wildfire scares or

698
01:21:45,583 --> 01:21:46,958
wildfires are always scary.

699
01:21:46,958 --> 01:21:48,500
But the wildfires when he was president

700
01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:50,208
and he was listening to some scientists

701
01:21:50,208 --> 01:21:51,125
and scientists like we just

702
01:21:51,125 --> 01:21:52,375
can't ignore the science here.

703
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:53,916
We need to do something more about

704
01:21:53,916 --> 01:21:54,791
climate change rails.

705
01:21:54,791 --> 01:21:56,083
These forest fires are going to get out

706
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:58,041
of hand and more people are going to get

707
01:21:58,041 --> 01:21:59,250
hurt and lose their homes.

708
01:21:59,708 --> 01:22:01,375
Donald Trump looked the guy in the eye.

709
01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:01,958
Actually, he didn't even

710
01:22:01,958 --> 01:22:02,875
look the guy in the eye.

711
01:22:02,916 --> 01:22:04,208
And he just looked straight and he says,

712
01:22:04,208 --> 01:22:05,500
well, you know, I'll tell you it's going

713
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:07,000
to get cooler in the next few years.

714
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:07,958
I'm telling you that right now.

715
01:22:07,958 --> 01:22:08,708
It's going to get cooler.

716
01:22:09,125 --> 01:22:11,083
No scientist that has any kind of

717
01:22:11,083 --> 01:22:13,541
reputation, no NASA scientist, no

718
01:22:13,541 --> 01:22:15,583
government scientist at the time were

719
01:22:15,583 --> 01:22:17,000
saying that it's going to get cooler.

720
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,166
We were saying it's going to get hotter.

721
01:22:18,166 --> 01:22:18,750
Everybody was saying

722
01:22:18,750 --> 01:22:19,500
it's going to get hotter.

723
01:22:19,916 --> 01:22:21,083
The entire world knew it

724
01:22:21,083 --> 01:22:21,708
was going to get hotter.

725
01:22:21,708 --> 01:22:22,875
We were hitting records and records and

726
01:22:22,875 --> 01:22:24,666
we have continued to hit records and

727
01:22:24,666 --> 01:22:26,083
record breaking years

728
01:22:26,083 --> 01:22:27,375
every year for heat.

729
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,125
And look what happened just not long ago,

730
01:22:30,125 --> 01:22:31,000
like a month ago, and

731
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,208
it's still kind of going on.

732
01:22:32,375 --> 01:22:34,375
Devastating wilds across California

733
01:22:34,375 --> 01:22:37,291
floods due to hurricanes that are earlier

734
01:22:37,291 --> 01:22:39,333
and more severe that scientists have been

735
01:22:39,333 --> 01:22:41,791
particularly for a long time hit in 2024.

736
01:22:42,541 --> 01:22:44,416
This stuff is happening, but we are keep

737
01:22:44,416 --> 01:22:46,416
continuing to put politicians in place

738
01:22:46,416 --> 01:22:47,500
that are like, no, I don't

739
01:22:47,500 --> 01:22:48,166
think it's going to happen.

740
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,458
I'm going to ignore everybody else.

741
01:22:50,458 --> 01:22:51,541
He goes, well, I just don't think the

742
01:22:51,541 --> 01:22:54,041
science knows it doesn't make sense.

743
01:22:54,041 --> 01:22:55,791
It just doesn't make sense from a

744
01:22:55,791 --> 01:22:57,500
prosperous life, like in

745
01:22:57,500 --> 01:22:58,416
the future perspective.

746
01:22:58,833 --> 01:22:59,750
Right. And even now,

747
01:22:59,750 --> 01:23:00,875
it does not make sense.

748
01:23:00,916 --> 01:23:03,625
We need to put politicians in power where

749
01:23:03,625 --> 01:23:05,583
they listen to experts.

750
01:23:05,708 --> 01:23:06,250
That's all.

751
01:23:06,708 --> 01:23:08,083
That's really what it comes down to.

752
01:23:08,083 --> 01:23:08,500
It doesn't matter

753
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:09,458
what party they're from.

754
01:23:09,833 --> 01:23:11,541
Every party the leader should know we're

755
01:23:11,541 --> 01:23:13,083
going to listen to the experts and make a

756
01:23:13,083 --> 01:23:14,875
decision based on what the experts say.

757
01:23:15,500 --> 01:23:16,250
That's really what it goes

758
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:17,208
and what the people feel.

759
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:18,916
And that's really what it comes down to.

760
01:23:19,333 --> 01:23:20,916
And policies need to catch

761
01:23:20,916 --> 01:23:22,125
up according to this article.

762
01:23:22,125 --> 01:23:23,000
And I agree with it.

763
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:24,208
And I want to share that with you.

764
01:23:24,208 --> 01:23:25,125
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765
01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:26,541
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